As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Our wage bill is currently higher than Chelsea’s. The financial constraints argument doesn’t wash any more.
As a rule I don't bite when a wum starts fishing but on this occasion I will take the bait - financial constraints suggests that it is only defeats to the wealthy citeeh and chav teams that are stopping us winning trophies, but the reality is that losing to the likes of stoke/hull/Swansea/Anderlecht/Bradford/Blackburn etc has nothing to do with money and everything to do with ineptitude and a total lack of tactical acumen and motivational skills
It should also be noted that Dortmund and ath madrids European performances shows that a lack of wealth does not render a team impotent
Our wage bill is currently higher than Chelsea’s. The financial constraints argument doesn’t wash any more.
As a rule I don't bite when a wum starts fishing but on this occasion I will take the bait - financial constraints suggests that it is only defeats to the wealthy citeeh and chav teams that are stopping us winning trophies, but the reality is that losing to the likes of stoke/hull/Swansea/Anderlecht/Bradford/Blackburn etc has nothing to do with money and everything to do with ineptitude and a total lack of tactical acumen and motivational skills
It should also be noted that Dortmund and ath madrids European performances shows that a lack of wealth does not render a team impotent
Take chavs and city out of the equation and we would be in first place. Take them out of the equation for the past ten years and we would have battled for the title with United the past ten years. It's not individual results against them, it's about each teams finishing position at the end of the season.
And don't label me a WUM just coz I'm not a wenger hater.
Our wage bill is currently higher than Chelsea’s. The financial constraints argument doesn’t wash any more.
As a rule I don't bite when a wum starts fishing but on this occasion I will take the bait - financial constraints suggests that it is only defeats to the wealthy citeeh and chav teams that are stopping us winning trophies, but the reality is that losing to the likes of stoke/hull/Swansea/Anderlecht/Bradford/Blackburn etc has nothing to do with money and everything to do with ineptitude and a total lack of tactical acumen and motivational skills
It should also be noted that Dortmund and ath madrids European performances shows that a lack of wealth does not render a team impotent
And the examples of Dortmund and atletico are extraordinary examples of success. This is VERY rare in today's game.
Our wage bill is currently higher than Chelsea’s. The financial constraints argument doesn’t wash any more.
As a rule I don't bite when a wum starts fishing but on this occasion I will take the bait - financial constraints suggests that it is only defeats to the wealthy citeeh and chav teams that are stopping us winning trophies, but the reality is that losing to the likes of stoke/hull/Swansea/Anderlecht/Bradford/Blackburn etc has nothing to do with money and everything to do with ineptitude and a total lack of tactical acumen and motivational skills
It should also be noted that Dortmund and ath madrids European performances shows that a lack of wealth does not render a team impotent
Take chavs and city out of the equation and we would be in first place. Take them out of the equation for the past ten years and we would have battled for the title with United the past ten years. It's not individual results against them, it's about each teams finishing position at the end of the season.
And don't label me a WUM just coz I'm not a wenger hater.
Our wage bill is currently higher than Chelsea’s. The financial constraints argument doesn’t wash any more.
Abramovich has spent OVER 1 BILLION pounds on them since 2003! Considering they finished 3rd I think the season before he came in, they weren't miles behind in the first place. If them and city hadn't spent such ridiculous amount of money, they would never be ahead of us right now. ie, we'd actually be on course for a league title. My point is, blame the way football has become, it's not wengers fault.
I know.
At the risk of repeating myself, my point is our wage bill is now greater than theirs, and the last time I checked Chelsea were top of the league.
So it would seem that Wenger, far from being financially constrained, has had plenty of money available to fritter away on player wages and has clearly not spent it wisely.
clockender1 wrote:how did the stadium cause us to lose 3-1 to Monaco ?
if i'm not mistaken, our team cost well over 150 million that night - how is that financially hamstrung ????
It didn't. That game we were absolutely dire. Every single player let the club down, as did the manager. Complete arrogance from all of them. Wenger has rightly taken stick for our defeat that night, we should never be losing to Monaco at home. I am willing to criticise anyone when they deserve it, but that result aside we have gone out to some very good sides in the past champions league exits. We've been really unlucky with the draws in recent times, bar this season. I will admit that we had a very good chance to progress this year and we have blown it
clockender1 wrote:how did the stadium cause us to lose 3-1 to Monaco ?
if i'm not mistaken, our team cost well over 150 million that night - how is that financially hamstrung ????
It didn't. That game we were absolutely dire. Every single player let the club down, as did the manager. Complete arrogance from all of them. Wenger has rightly taken stick for our defeat that night, we should never be losing to Monaco at home. I am willing to criticise anyone when they deserve it, but that result aside we have gone out to some very good sides in the past champions league exits. We've been really unlucky with the draws in recent times, bar this season. I will admit that we had a very good chance to progress this year and we have blown it
Im afraid that you need to look a bit closer at the "unlucky draw in recent times" comment. Unfortunately as we have ended up second in the table in the qualifying league stage we naturally end up against the winning teams which usually include Bayern, Real Madrid and Barca. As we cant get drawn V home teams or the often weaker team that were ahead of us in our own table that narrows it down still more to the top teams, and due to the complexities of similar Spanish/ German teams being unable to play each other it narrows it furthur to the better teams, I think it was something in the region of a 33% chance we would have Bayern last season for example. Last year we lost away to Napoli in the final qualifying game, IIRC if we had won there we would have been first in the table and faced an easier draw v Zenit. This year if we hadnt messed up V Anderlect we would have faced Juve instead of Monaco, probably an easier tie.
Its nothing like the FA cup where the draw is more relevant and down pretty much totally to luck. The same can be argued for Citeh last season, Pellegrini took the eye off the ball didnt press for another few goals they were capable of in their final league qualifying round, and so finished second.
Glad we agree that some at least of the problem V Monaco came from AW, you may find similar issues for a number of other matches, its a pattern too often repeated to be a coincidence.
CloakedGooner wrote:[
Abramovich has spent OVER 1 BILLION pounds on them since 2003! Considering they finished 3rd I think the season before he came in, they weren't miles behind in the first place. If them and city hadn't spent such ridiculous amount of money, they would never be ahead of us right now. ie, we'd actually be on course for a league title. My point is, blame the way football has become, it's not wengers fault.
It is not about money, we are not a non-league club with an annual transfer budget of £50,000.
It is about how we have spent the money we have spent.
It is about tactics.
It is about how we train.
It is about our injury and rehabilitation records.
Our wage bill is currently higher than Chelsea’s. The financial constraints argument doesn’t wash any more.
Abramovich has spent OVER 1 BILLION pounds on them since 2003! Considering they finished 3rd I think the season before he came in, they weren't miles behind in the first place. If them and city hadn't spent such ridiculous amount of money, they would never be ahead of us right now. ie, we'd actually be on course for a league title. My point is, blame the way football has become, it's not wengers fault.
its not Wenkers fault we lost to Bradford,anderlecht,monaco,got dicked at old Trafford,anfield,chelsea,its not wenkers fault that he rested arshavin(when he was the form player in the league) for the semi against the chavs only for us to bow out of both cups that week,i could go on,what the fuck have these defeats got to do with finanacial constraints??its down to one man,if you cant see it then you are a nut job you deluded AKB
would any other manager in the world at any other team gotten away with winning NOTHING for 8 years? with the wage bill this team has? any. single. manager. the answer is no. but you can go ahead and try and make an argument for your case. hell, madrid barca chelsea and the likes will get rid of a manager after 2 years of not winning, 8 is just mind boggling.
would any other manager in the world at any other team gotten away with winning NOTHING for 8 years? with the wage bill this team has? any. single. manager. the answer is no. but you can go ahead and try and make an argument for your case. hell, madrid barca chelsea and the likes will get rid of a manager after 2 years of not winning, 8 is just mind boggling.
Fergie. Obviously this is just hypothetical. But if he had had 8 trophieless years at United, but remained close to the top and missed out narrowly on winning the title a couple of times, after his success, I think they would have kept faith in him because they know he has it in him and will come good again. You also have to consider WHY they have not won anything, ie having to repay huge amounts of our revenue towards the stadium. In general, British teams are more prone to have faith in a manager, especially if they have been successful in the past. I know foreign teams are ruthless with their managers, but they generally get more time over here. With the exception of the chavs of course.
CloakedGooner wrote:[
Abramovich has spent OVER 1 BILLION pounds on them since 2003! Considering they finished 3rd I think the season before he came in, they weren't miles behind in the first place. If them and city hadn't spent such ridiculous amount of money, they would never be ahead of us right now. ie, we'd actually be on course for a league title. My point is, blame the way football has become, it's not wengers fault.
It is not about money, we are not a non-league club with an annual transfer budget of £50,000.
It is about how we have spent the money we have spent.
It is about tactics.
It is about how we train.
It is about our injury and rehabilitation records.
But we are also not owned by a man willing to spend over a billion pounds on us.
We have spent money on some great players for example Arshavin. Fantastic player when he came, so much potential. However, he went completely of the boil, didn't look interested and got really lazy. How was our manager to know his attitude stank so badly? He didn't know him personally. He saw a great player, bought him and the player let him down badly. This is the best example I could think of this happening, but there are plenty others I could bring up, where it's the player who should be blamed, and not wenger. The same thing looks to be happening to ozil.
And what has our injury record got to do with wenger?
