THE WENGER THREAD

[Bradywasking]

The Europa League is too drawn out and the Thursday/Sunday thing is a nightmare. No European football may be the better option. I think Liverpool's momentum last season was helped by no European football.
For Arsene would the Europa League be a real trophy or a virtual trophy as it allows entry into The Holy Grail for the following season ?. But Wenger doesn't want Champions League anymore , or does he..I'm confused. Maybe we could sacrifice the VT for The Europa League , or sacrifice the Europa League for the VT while respecting Asian tours at all times.

[SPUDMASHER]

Firstly, let me just say that I don't agree with what he is saying in most ways.

Secondly, he has a bit of a point that teams who are failures in the CL are given a second bite of the cherry in Europa league and that doesn't seem right. They are almost rewarded for failing by being given a second chance. Elimination from the CL should be elimination from European competition for that season. End of!

Controversial I know but maybe a year in the Europa league would actually do us good. Winning is a habit. It creates belief! Currently we have a team that have only ever won one trophy. If we had a season in the Europa and won it (still not an easy task as there are a few decent teams in there), it might give them more belief to go on and challenge in the CL the following year! Sometimes you need to build success, not go in at the top level with high expectations.

The problem being that given the size of the club and the shite spouted out from it, we have that expectation to compete at the top level now. We're told about how good the team is etc. etc. So all old dopey is doing is bringing the pressure on himself by making rash statements early in the season, raising fans expectations and then having to massively back pedal later in the season to explain/excuse why we didn't reach those lofty heights again!

Problem is spuddy, that you cannot force fed the thousands of Gooner supporters (and general public for that matter) the importance of top 4 and the prestige it brings, and then turn around and dismiss the importance of the champs league like it is no better than the capital one cup. I think most of the older Gooners would have no problem with the club being in Europa league if the games were on tues and wed nites and if ticket prices were adjusted accordingly - the newer/younger Gooners might not be happy being out of champs league cos they have only known an era of regular champs league football, plus most of them have bought into the myth that we cannot retain or buy top quality players without champions league football and that of course is bullshit

I think all Gooners would agree that winning, in any competition, is a good habit and especially for a team with a fragile mentality like ours - the problem here is that wenkers inconsistancies suggest that we couldn't even begin to predict how he would view the Europa league and how much effort he would put into it One day he suggests that he has sacrificed champs league for fa cup, and a few days later he suggests that he has sacrificed fa cup for champs league......what will he sacrifice if we were in Europa league ??

Which is pretty much was I was saying when I said that the club creates the expectation and then doesn't deliver against it. The younger generation of fans feel some kind of entitlement to CL football. Those of us that have been going pre-AW would just be happy to see us genuinely compete regardless of he perceived value of the competition we were taking part in.

It's hard to argue with the German journalist too. I think he has lost touch. Which is a shame given that when he arrived he was clearly light years ahead of anyone else.

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Btw, ssn has just interviewed a german journo at the champs league draw and he said that the view in Europe is that wenker is not up to date with modern football

Now there is an understatement if I ever heard one, he is a fooking dinasour

[Nuggets]

morse code again .........

[Ikechukwu1]

Btw, ssn has just interviewed a german journo at the champs league draw and he said that the view in Europe is that wenker is not up to date with modern football

Now there is an understatement if I ever heard one, he is a fooking dinasour

But haven't you heard? If Wenker became available tomorrow all the top clubs in Europe would be clamouring to hire him!

[Ikechukwu1]

Firstly, let me just say that I don't agree with what he is saying in most ways.

Secondly, he has a bit of a point that teams who are failures in the CL are given a second bite of the cherry in Europa league and that doesn't seem right. They are almost rewarded for failing by being given a second chance. Elimination from the CL should be elimination from European competition for that season. End of!

Controversial I know but maybe a year in the Europa league would actually do us good. Winning is a habit. It creates belief! Currently we have a team that have only ever won one trophy. If we had a season in the Europa and won it (still not an easy task as there are a few decent teams in there), it might give them more belief to go on and challenge in the CL the following year! Sometimes you need to build success, not go in at the top level with high expectations.

The problem being that given the size of the club and the shite spouted out from it, we have that expectation to compete at the top level now. We're told about how good the team is etc. etc. So all old dopey is doing is bringing the pressure on himself by making rash statements early in the season, raising fans expectations and then having to massively back pedal later in the season to explain/excuse why we didn't reach those lofty heights again!

Yawn. Utter tripe. "Winning creates a habit". Did we not win the FA Cup last season? Wasn't that supposed to be a watershed moment? I also love the assume arrogance that we would walk the Europa League in it. I'll repeat: Roma, Fiorentina, Valencia, Bilbao and Liverpool are all superior teams to Monaco and they are all Europa League teams we would never beat over 2 legs. The delusion is so farcical from our fans it;s untrue. No wonder we go nowhere.
Winning "doesn't become a habit". Utter bullshit.
It's like this: you are either winners, or not. Winning the FA Cup did nothing for Arsenal's winning mentality because the club is driven by a Specialist in Failure. Simple. You do not "learn" to become a winner. You either are, or not. Vieira and Henry were not "taught" to become winners, they just were, as was Bergkamp. In contrast, you will never ever teach frail, weak players like Mertesacker, Cazorla, Podolski, Gibbs etc to become "winners". The club is managed by a manager who just last week was talking about 72 pts "being enough for 4th". They get humiliated in Europe then he comes out to slate away goals, not his piss-poor management. He has conditioned this club, the players, and many fans into accepting the incredibly low standards at Arsenal of 4th place and matching the achievements of Wigan by winning the odd FA Cup

[Nuggets]

Btw, ssn has just interviewed a german journo at the champs league draw and he said that the view in Europe is that wenker is not up to date with modern football

Now there is an understatement if I ever heard one, he is a fooking dinasour

But haven't you heard? If Wenker became available tomorrow all the top clubs in Europe would be clamouring to hire him!

They can have him, please take him, he will not go to another club because they would sack the senile old twat within 12 months, once he starts losing money he will go.

[Nuggets]

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[RespectTheUmlaut]

I honestly don't think we would be able to attract the same level of player without CL football. We aren't exactly able to make up for a lack of top level continental football by throwing bucket loads of money at players like United, Citeh and Chelski have done in the past.

I think Europa League football would be horrible for our club for many reasons, not least of which the battering the confidence of the team would take as the English media revel in our despair as we know they would.

[Gunner Rob]

as augie has said it would be far better if the Europa League were to be on Tuesday and Wednesday nights.

I really am growing tired of the increasingly stupid scheduling of matches which is starting to suck the enjoyment out of watching football for me. a few years ago I would have been gutted if all the english sides had been knocked out of european competitions by now but it is spread out so much now I could barely be bothered by the Arsenal 2nd leg match the other night.

no wonder the AKBs had forgotten the first leg - it was such a long time ago it felt difficult to connect the 2nd leg to the first leg.
as it is the AKB simpletons will spend the summer thinking how close we are to the top levels in european football...again

[SPUDMASHER]

Firstly, let me just say that I don't agree with what he is saying in most ways.

Secondly, he has a bit of a point that teams who are failures in the CL are given a second bite of the cherry in Europa league and that doesn't seem right. They are almost rewarded for failing by being given a second chance. Elimination from the CL should be elimination from European competition for that season. End of!

Controversial I know but maybe a year in the Europa league would actually do us good. Winning is a habit. It creates belief! Currently we have a team that have only ever won one trophy. If we had a season in the Europa and won it (still not an easy task as there are a few decent teams in there), it might give them more belief to go on and challenge in the CL the following year! Sometimes you need to build success, not go in at the top level with high expectations.

The problem being that given the size of the club and the shite spouted out from it, we have that expectation to compete at the top level now. We're told about how good the team is etc. etc. So all old dopey is doing is bringing the pressure on himself by making rash statements early in the season, raising fans expectations and then having to massively back pedal later in the season to explain/excuse why we didn't reach those lofty heights again!

Yawn. Utter tripe. "Winning creates a habit". Did we not win the FA Cup last season? Wasn't that supposed to be a watershed moment? I also love the assume arrogance that we would walk the Europa League in it. I'll repeat: Roma, Fiorentina, Valencia, Bilbao and Liverpool are all superior teams to Monaco and they are all Europa League teams we would never beat over 2 legs. The delusion is so farcical from our fans it;s untrue. No wonder we go nowhere.
Winning "doesn't become a habit". Utter bullshit.
It's like this: you are either winners, or not. Winning the FA Cup did nothing for Arsenal's winning mentality because the club is driven by a Specialist in Failure. Simple. You do not "learn" to become a winner. You either are, or not. Vieira and Henry were not "taught" to become winners, they just were, as was Bergkamp. In contrast, you will never ever teach frail, weak players like Mertesacker, Cazorla, Podolski, Gibbs etc to become "winners". The club is managed by a manager who just last week was talking about 72 pts "being enough for 4th". They get humiliated in Europe then he comes out to slate away goals, not his piss-poor management. He has conditioned this club, the players, and many fans into accepting the incredibly low standards at Arsenal of 4th place and matching the achievements of Wigan by winning the odd FA Cup

And you have the nerve to say 'Tripe'.
Winning builds confidence. Confidence is a key part of being successful and the more you win the more you are likely to because of your positive approach. There is without doubt a natural aspect to winning, nobody would doubt that, but a winning run builds (and I really hate to use this word because it sounds like dopey) self belief.
To even suggest that winning is nothing to do with form and belief that creates a habit, as well as natural ability is utterly ridiculous.

Further to that I think you'll find that I clearly didn't presume we would win the Europa league if we entered it! Look at the bit of my post in bold. You really should read and digest before hitting the submit button!

Last years FA Cup win was the first trophy in many years and one swallow does not a summer make, but I have no doubt that we are a stronger team this year than we were last.

[OneBardGooner]

I know piers morgan is a knob, but he speaks what we all feel & think....

http://talksport.com/football/wenger-ou ... dium=email

[OneBardGooner]

ps; when I say 'we all' I don't include AKB sheeple liked Cloaked Gooner etc

[Gunner Rob]

I know piers morgan is a knob, but he speaks what we all feel & think....

http://talksport.com/football/wenger-ou ... dium=email

i never quite know why Morgan gets so much abuse because he has consistently screamed Wenger Out for a long time now

[Ikechukwu1]

Firstly, let me just say that I don't agree with what he is saying in most ways.

Secondly, he has a bit of a point that teams who are failures in the CL are given a second bite of the cherry in Europa league and that doesn't seem right. They are almost rewarded for failing by being given a second chance. Elimination from the CL should be elimination from European competition for that season. End of!

Controversial I know but maybe a year in the Europa league would actually do us good. Winning is a habit. It creates belief! Currently we have a team that have only ever won one trophy. If we had a season in the Europa and won it (still not an easy task as there are a few decent teams in there), it might give them more belief to go on and challenge in the CL the following year! Sometimes you need to build success, not go in at the top level with high expectations.

The problem being that given the size of the club and the shite spouted out from it, we have that expectation to compete at the top level now. We're told about how good the team is etc. etc. So all old dopey is doing is bringing the pressure on himself by making rash statements early in the season, raising fans expectations and then having to massively back pedal later in the season to explain/excuse why we didn't reach those lofty heights again!

Yawn. Utter tripe. "Winning creates a habit". Did we not win the FA Cup last season? Wasn't that supposed to be a watershed moment? I also love the assume arrogance that we would walk the Europa League in it. I'll repeat: Roma, Fiorentina, Valencia, Bilbao and Liverpool are all superior teams to Monaco and they are all Europa League teams we would never beat over 2 legs. The delusion is so farcical from our fans it;s untrue. No wonder we go nowhere.
Winning "doesn't become a habit". Utter bullshit.
It's like this: you are either winners, or not. Winning the FA Cup did nothing for Arsenal's winning mentality because the club is driven by a Specialist in Failure. Simple. You do not "learn" to become a winner. You either are, or not. Vieira and Henry were not "taught" to become winners, they just were, as was Bergkamp. In contrast, you will never ever teach frail, weak players like Mertesacker, Cazorla, Podolski, Gibbs etc to become "winners". The club is managed by a manager who just last week was talking about 72 pts "being enough for 4th". They get humiliated in Europe then he comes out to slate away goals, not his piss-poor management. He has conditioned this club, the players, and many fans into accepting the incredibly low standards at Arsenal of 4th place and matching the achievements of Wigan by winning the odd FA Cup

And you have the nerve to say 'Tripe'.
Winning builds confidence. Confidence is a key part of being successful and the more you win the more you are likely to because of your positive approach. There is without doubt a natural aspect to winning, nobody would doubt that, but a winning run builds (and I really hate to use this word because it sounds like dopey) self belief.
To even suggest that winning is nothing to do with form and belief that creates a habit, as well as natural ability is utterly ridiculous.

Further to that I think you'll find that I clearly didn't presume we would win the Europa league if we entered it! Look at the bit of my post in bold. You really should read and digest before hitting the submit button!

Last years FA Cup win was the first trophy in many years and one swallow does not a summer make, but I have no doubt that we are a stronger team this year than we were last.

Last season, Arsenal won the FA Cup. So here is a sample of that "confidence" it built

* Arsenal out of the title race by November
* Wenger claiming the team was "mentally scared" at Anfield
* Arsenal throwing a 3-goal lead at home to a Belgian team in the CL. Unprecedented in CL history
* Being eliminated over 2 legs by one of the weakest teams to ever make the last 16 of the CL
* Losing, at home, to one of the worst Man United sides in decades
* Out of virtually every competition by March.
* Failed to beat the Spuds a single time all season, they took 4 points off us

I think the most farcical part is where you claim we are "a stronger team this year than we were last"
I am deeply worried by the delusion of Arsenal fans, and your comment about us being a "better team than last year" is symptomatic of this.

There is no way Arsenal are a better team than last year - at best, the team has stood still.

Out of the title race in the usual record time, despite having spent even more cash on Sanchez, Chambers, Welbeck etc.

Knocked out of the last 16 of the CL to the weakest team we've ever faced in that stage

The only area of improvement is that we managed to beat Citeh in the league. I'll completely overlook that the likes of Boro, Burnley and Moscow have made fools of Citeh this season