Tomáš wrote:He is the best Manager currently.IW8Goalmachine wrote:I dont see why Klopp gets so much loving on here.
Granted he's a decent manager but look at Dortmund this year
Sorry I'm drunk, but it is true...
Supagoon wrote:Well we won't get klopp because timing is wrong. Arsene is having a 'good' season in so much as he has a chance of finishing with a trophy and even avoiding 4th place.
For me I know the guy I want to take over even if it is ambitious. The way I see klopp is, he has a very similar philosophy as Arsene but clearly has less baggage. If he came to Arsenal and won a cup and finished 2nd we'd all be chuffed. Problem we have with the current situation is none of us trust Arsene anymore. I certainly don't.
For me getting Simeone is the more ambitious and tricky move because: A) he has signed a long term contract with Ateltico B) They'll build a new 70k stadium C) he loves atletico.
Simeone is the guy that will ensure we are always prepared to go into matches. He's the guy that make Chelsea fans say: ' **** we have to play Arsenal next'. He will instil discipline and attention to detail that we know we've been missing all these years. Imagine looking forward to a trip (sort of) to OT, not fearing the worst.
Arsene is here at least until the end of the contract and who knows what will have happen with Simeone at Atletico in that time. The stars may just align in time.
I'd puke if he ends up as Mourinho's successor @ Chelsea.
OneBardGooner wrote:Arsene was (Once Upon a Time) a excellent manager...he still manages to get a team to play creative, entertaining football...BUT..he has many flaws
He pays average ( and below average players) Top Player wages - He has a blindness to their failings - be that in their development, their skills/abilities, their loyalty - and he is too loyal to them - maybe he see's them all as his children or something weird - okay so we all know Ebuoe and Diaby ARE (allegedly) his
He also spends money in the wrong direction and on players whom he then plays out of their natural, best and strongest position Arshavin being a prime example - He also buys players in positions that we already have in abundance -= Yup he buys mid-field players - but they are all technically gifted, small physically - we need someone in the mid-field who defends ONLY - Okay so it may be a case of he/we lucked out with Coq coming back off loan - But had Arteta & capt Stoopid not been injured - he may never have had the opportunity to prove his worth - which (so far) he has managed to do...whether he has the where-with-all to do it consistently is something we will find out next season.
Wenger is obviously past his best - so an ideal replacement will be a manager who CAN:
Do Tactics - Change the team and playing style to match & beat the opposition
Have a Plan B and C if necessary
Doesn't pander to players (and their scum agents)
Will challenge the board to spend the necessary money in order to win the Prem and CL
Buy the players we need to fill the gaps, rather than paper over them
I know Klopp is good, but for me it is either Ancelloti or Low....
But we are stuck with Wenger for another 2 seasons regardless and if - IF we win the FA Cup it may be longer still.....
A "purple patch" that lasted 6 years eh? So do tell, what would you call Lord Arsene's last 10 years? Is this the opposite? Like a "shit patch"?SPUDMASHER wrote:Klopp had a purple patch, Simeone is in the middle of one. Maureen has limitless funding to ensure success. Ancelotti has had a relatively successful career overall, but has never really built a team as he's usually inherited a good starting point. Guardiola has built well at Barca and Bayern but at both clubs has had the funds to do so.
All of them could come to Arsenal and do well but I'm also quite sure that AW could go to their clubs and do quite well too. Management isn't a science. Like players they all have good streaks and bad. As much as I hated the red nosed fucker you can only really say that he is the one manager in my lifetime that has stood head and shoulders above anyone else. He continually re-built Manure over a period of twenty plus years and delivered with alarming regularity.
funny how quickly all Wenger replacements are being dismissed. Next I'll be told Jose can "only win with a chequebook" I think Fergie must of had one hell of a purple patch as he was shit before the last 20 years of his careerIkechukwu1 wrote:A "purple patch" that lasted 6 years eh? So do tell, what would you call Lord Arsene's last 10 years? Is this the opposite? Like a "shit patch"?SPUDMASHER wrote:Klopp had a purple patch, Simeone is in the middle of one. Maureen has limitless funding to ensure success. Ancelotti has had a relatively successful career overall, but has never really built a team as he's usually inherited a good starting point. Guardiola has built well at Barca and Bayern but at both clubs has had the funds to do so.
All of them could come to Arsenal and do well but I'm also quite sure that AW could go to their clubs and do quite well too. Management isn't a science. Like players they all have good streaks and bad. As much as I hated the red nosed fucker you can only really say that he is the one manager in my lifetime that has stood head and shoulders above anyone else. He continually re-built Manure over a period of twenty plus years and delivered with alarming regularity.
Also, does that not also mean AW had a "purple patch" when he had a good few years at the start? What big trophies has he won since? Hmmmm
True - But we do still play some brilliant (as in entertaining) football - usually when we are a couple of goals to the good...even so we still do - occasionally. Nothing like The Invincibles of course...augie wrote:OneBardGooner wrote:Arsene was (Once Upon a Time) a excellent manager...he still manages to get a team to play creative, entertaining football...BUT..he has many flaws
He pays average ( and below average players) Top Player wages - He has a blindness to their failings - be that in their development, their skills/abilities, their loyalty - and he is too loyal to them - maybe he see's them all as his children or something weird - okay so we all know Ebuoe and Diaby ARE (allegedly) his
He also spends money in the wrong direction and on players whom he then plays out of their natural, best and strongest position Arshavin being a prime example - He also buys players in positions that we already have in abundance -= Yup he buys mid-field players - but they are all technically gifted, small physically - we need someone in the mid-field who defends ONLY - Okay so it may be a case of he/we lucked out with Coq coming back off loan - But had Arteta & capt Stoopid not been injured - he may never have had the opportunity to prove his worth - which (so far) he has managed to do...whether he has the where-with-all to do it consistently is something we will find out next season.
Wenger is obviously past his best - so an ideal replacement will be a manager who CAN:
Do Tactics - Change the team and playing style to match & beat the opposition
Have a Plan B and C if necessary
Doesn't pander to players (and their scum agents)
Will challenge the board to spend the necessary money in order to win the Prem and CL
Buy the players we need to fill the gaps, rather than paper over them
I know Klopp is good, but for me it is either Ancelloti or Low....
But we are stuck with Wenger for another 2 seasons regardless and if - IF we win the FA Cup it may be longer still.....
Methinks that you are being blinded somewhat by our recent good run - we sometimes play entertaining football but much of the time we play tippy tappy sidewards shite
Great start to that video. That was a truly magical time for all gooners!OneBardGooner wrote:True - But we do still play some brilliant (as in entertaining) football - usually when we are a couple of goals to the good...even so we still do - occasionally. Nothing like The Invincibles of course...augie wrote:OneBardGooner wrote:Arsene was (Once Upon a Time) a excellent manager...he still manages to get a team to play creative, entertaining football...BUT..he has many flaws
He pays average ( and below average players) Top Player wages - He has a blindness to their failings - be that in their development, their skills/abilities, their loyalty - and he is too loyal to them - maybe he see's them all as his children or something weird - okay so we all know Ebuoe and Diaby ARE (allegedly) his
He also spends money in the wrong direction and on players whom he then plays out of their natural, best and strongest position Arshavin being a prime example - He also buys players in positions that we already have in abundance -= Yup he buys mid-field players - but they are all technically gifted, small physically - we need someone in the mid-field who defends ONLY - Okay so it may be a case of he/we lucked out with Coq coming back off loan - But had Arteta & capt Stoopid not been injured - he may never have had the opportunity to prove his worth - which (so far) he has managed to do...whether he has the where-with-all to do it consistently is something we will find out next season.
Wenger is obviously past his best - so an ideal replacement will be a manager who CAN:
Do Tactics - Change the team and playing style to match & beat the opposition
Have a Plan B and C if necessary
Doesn't pander to players (and their scum agents)
Will challenge the board to spend the necessary money in order to win the Prem and CL
Buy the players we need to fill the gaps, rather than paper over them
I know Klopp is good, but for me it is either Ancelloti or Low....
But we are stuck with Wenger for another 2 seasons regardless and if - IF we win the FA Cup it may be longer still.....
Methinks that you are being blinded somewhat by our recent good run - we sometimes play entertaining football but much of the time we play tippy tappy sidewards shite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxlV-EG3L-8
It's actually fans like you that has wenger the great underseller of the club very happyIkechukwu1 wrote:Why do people keep claiming we need a Top 5 manager? Like we are a Bayern or Real? Lol we just got owned by Monaco in the CL, not challenged for a league title in a decade, and have made 1 CL final in an 18 year stretch. Sounds like some of our fans have ideas above what we are at presentgp543 wrote:He's not a top 5 manager in world football.Tomáš wrote:He is the best Manager currently.IW8Goalmachine wrote:I dont see why Klopp gets so much loving on here.
Granted he's a decent manager but look at Dortmund this year
Sorry I'm drunk, but it is true...
Guardiola, Mourinho, Simeone, Ancelotti and Löw all better.
Also was Wenger a "Top 50" manager ever when he arrived? So who's to say a new manager has to be a Top 5? Klopp, De Boer, Tuchel, Conte etc are all more than good enough. We've never paid more than £20m for a striker and yet are demanding top class managers LOL
That's about the strength of it I have little doubt that were wenger to take another job he would be a successaugie wrote:I agree with much of that spuddy but I don't think that wenker is as motivated by trophies as other managers are. He could well go to another club and the new challenge might invigorate him and see him return to the manager that he used to be, but in our club he is under no pressure to win trophies and he now value's moral superiority and financial prudence as being more important than trophies
