As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
augie wrote:In fairness, you can call spuddy a lot of things but he aint no akb/wengerite
Oh no Augie, I must be, he says I am and he's never been wrong about anything.
I guess he never learned what a devil's advocate is.
I'm not even going to bother getting into it with him as we all know that whilst he may not be an AKB, and might not even be a WOB, he's definitely a WUM
Funny how you only cry "devils advocate" when defending/excusing/praising Wenger.....
"Im not an akb but....................
Im just playing devils advocate" Yea, ok then.
looks like you belong on the WUM list too
Augie knows me personally and knows where I stand on Wenger. You know fuck all about me so your comments don't really bother me.
augie wrote:In fairness, you can call spuddy a lot of things but he aint no akb/wengerite
Oh no Augie, I must be, he says I am and he's never been wrong about anything.
I guess he never learned what a devil's advocate is.
I'm not even going to bother getting into it with him as we all know that whilst he may not be an AKB, and might not even be a WOB, he's definitely a WUM
Funny how you only cry "devils advocate" when defending/excusing/praising Wenger.....
"Im not an akb but....................
Im just playing devils advocate" Yea, ok then.
looks like you belong on the WUM list too
Augie knows me personally and knows where I stand on Wenger. You know fuck all about me so your comments don't really bother me.
Armchair what you also need to be aware of - Spuddy - has an ability and a tradition of waiting years and years and years - then takes revenge. DB10 used to be 5' 4" before Spuddy cut him in half - he waited and waited then Chainsaw sounds BuZZZZZZZZZZZ etc Plenty of claret and DB was no longer taller than Danny DeVito!.
Still if you fancy trying to winding him up be my guest.
augie wrote:In fairness, you can call spuddy a lot of things but he aint no akb/wengerite
Oh no Augie, I must be, he says I am and he's never been wrong about anything.
I guess he never learned what a devil's advocate is.
I'm not even going to bother getting into it with him as we all know that whilst he may not be an AKB, and might not even be a WOB, he's definitely a WUM
Funny how you only cry "devils advocate" when defending/excusing/praising Wenger.....
"Im not an akb but....................
Im just playing devils advocate" Yea, ok then.
looks like you belong on the WUM list too
Augie knows me personally and knows where I stand on Wenger. You know fuck all about me so your comments don't really bother me.
Just post your own opinions. Why feel the need to "play devils advocate"? and post an alternative view if its not your own?
Just admit it you're a Wenger supporter. You'll feel much better.
SPUDMASHER wrote:Personally I don't know what the all the fuss is about with Klopp. He's a decent manager but I don't see him as being the great messiah. If you look at his track record it isn't too dissimilar to AW's early years. He assembled a good squad in his early time there that has slowly drifted on to other clubs and he hasn't been able to replace them with equal quality (sound familiar?) He's now almost got his club relegated (based on the principal that a bad team performance is the managers fault) and who is to say that if he stayed at Dortmund he'd wouldn't now be embarking an a ten year trophy less run?
Of course, none of us know what the future would have held for him there as he could equally have gone on to win the league for the next 10 years.
I really don't get what the wankfest is all about
This is almost as funny as your comment about Wenger having a plan for Coquelin all along this season
Small history lesson. Jurgen Klopp took over Dortmund when their finished 3 planes above relegation. In his first 6 years, his net spend was €6m. Go and look it up. In that time, he took a club that had been on the brink of insolvency, to challenging the giant that is Bayern, and winning not one, but two league titles, 3 domestic cups and came within a whisker of winning the CL. I'm not even mentioning the other CL virtual trophies.
Klopp's salary is also a quarter of Wenger's.
In anybody's book, this is outstanding football management.
In the AKB Book of Mormon, this is an idiotic excuse to ignorantly overlook this and claim he's "not that special"
It's really very simple: in a 10 year period, Jurgen Klopp's managerial record in trophy terms, and considering his far smaller wage bill and salary; is FAR superior to the dross Wenger has served up. And you Wengerites know it too.
So the rush to try and taint Klopp is hilarious!
Klopp wasn't given a club with cash in the bank, an outstanding back 5 and Dennis Bergkamp hanging around. He had to turn it all round himself and that he did. It's an amazing feat.
Unlike your Messiah - though I admit, Klopp hasn't quite matched the virtual "win streak" trophy Wenger has won this season, and the incredible 1 FA Cup win in a decade. Remember, Wenger spent £100m in 2 transfer windows this year and still couldn't challenge for a title.
Wenger was a nobody when he joined Arsenal - so why do his fanboys keep insisting whoever replace him need be a proven megastar?
Any new manager would dimy have to compete for a title and win a domestic cup and he'd already have bettered a decade of a Wenger
I have got nothing against Klopp and what he has acheived with Dortmund is fantastic and I would be delighted to have him as the Arsenal manager when Arsene retires but over that last decade he has had Munich to beat ,Would he have done so well against City and Chelsea with there multi million pound investors and a United team with Fergie at the helm all the while balancing the books to cover the cost on a new stadium debt .
SPUDMASHER wrote:Chelsea and Man City's vast wealth also blows us out of the water. Whilst Dortmund have had a resurgence lately they've spent a large part of this season hovering around the relegation zone. We've not been down that far at any point. Aside from Bayern they're one of the biggest clubs in Germany and should be doing far better than they are. I only really know about them because I work for a German company with quite a lot of Germans. One of them in my office is a Dortmund fan. They don't generally have a great view of Klopp. They also don't have much that is bad to say about him apart from his 'rod of iron' style of rule having several negative effects. Apparantly, in their view not mine, he was nonchalant about players leaving the club and would not do anything to attempt to keep them. According to them he has a negative view of player greed that means as soon as a player suggests they want a move for more money (as many of them do to try and negotiate a better deal at their existing club) he almost tells them to piss off and the relationship with the player breaks down from there onward, leaving them with no option but to go.
I also need to point out a bit of a double standard in your post mate. You lambast Wenger for allowing our players to leave and strengthen our rivals but appear to have some understanding for his position even though he is allowing the same thing to happen. Double standards if you ask me!
The only other thing I would say is that being around a lot of Germans has a downside. If you think that Liverpool have a sense of entitlement and that Manure fans are arrogant pricks etc. Try being around Munich fans!!!!!!!
Please get a better grasp of finance. Your analysis of their comparative finances is ridiculous :
Wolfsburg, Schalke, and Leverkusen all have far more cash than Dortmund. You can't compare Dortmund with Arsenal - Arsenal's wage bill is near Chelski's, they are very close. Arsenal matchday revenue is bigger than Man United - add 18 years CL cash. Dortmund almost went bankrupt. You're comparing a West Ham with a Real FFS
Dortmund's wage bill is lower than QPR. Those numbers are verifiable.
But you think they can be compared with Wenger's mediocrity?!
WOW
We've got our Baba back.....we've got our Baba back.....we've got our Baba back.....we've got our Baba back
augie wrote:In fairness, you can call spuddy a lot of things but he aint no akb/wengerite
Oh no Augie, I must be, he says I am and he's never been wrong about anything.
I guess he never learned what a devil's advocate is.
I'm not even going to bother getting into it with him as we all know that whilst he may not be an AKB, and might not even be a WOB, he's definitely a WUM
Something we can ALL agree on.
Just a +1 to that!
Just out of interest, did you just register to make that post?
Wenger was bailed out today by a goal keeping mistake. Change in attitude my arse. We've seen this countless times before, the complacency of this team & many before it are a direct reflection of the manager.
Besides that his team selection was awful. Took out 4/11 of our first teamers for no good reason at all, baffling decision. Monreal has already proven himself better than Gibbs, Bellerin has been a sensation, Debuchy hasn't played a single game in how long? And you're going to play him & Ramsey on the same side of the pitch? Lols. Then plays the Goalie who's lost his first team place after costing us games this season because of his f**k ups & almost coast us this one & took out the striker with the best form in the country...AND all when we've got one game per week ffs. Don't even get me started on substitutions, sat on his arse doing f**k all while the whole world could see how the game was crying out for a wide player on the right.
Riotof91 wrote:Wenger was bailed out today by a goal keeping mistake. Change in attitude my arse. We've seen this countless times before, the complacency of this team & many before it are a direct reflection of the manager.
Besides that his team selection was awful. Took out 4/11 of our first teamers for no good reason at all, baffling decision. Monreal has already proven himself better than Gibbs, Bellerin has been a sensation, Debuchy hasn't played a single game in how long? And you're going to play him & Ramsey on the same side of the pitch? Lols. Then plays the Goalie who's lost his first team place after costing us games this season because of his f**k ups & almost coast us this one & took out the striker with the best form in the country...AND all when we've got one game per week ffs. Don't even get me started on substitutions, sat on his arse doing f**k all while the whole world could see how the game was crying out for a wide player on the right.
but there is nobody in the whole wide world who could do a better job on such limited resources and how would we coax a top manager away from a top side,if only a decent german manager would become available
Klopp could never replicate Arsene's incredible achievement. Tonight's Masterclass just another example of his progressive management. Remember how we underestimated Monaco? Well, it happened again with Reading. Meaning Monaco will happen again, next season. Just what is the reason anyone would still want this spunk-crumb to remain as Arsenal manager still?
Drop your only striker, start a right back with no football under his belt, deploy a joke goalie who shouldn't be getting games in League 1 FFS.
Ikechukwu1 wrote:Klopp could never replicate Arsene's incredible achievement. Tonight's Masterclass just another example of his progressive management. Remember how we underestimated Monaco? Well, it happened again with Reading. Meaning Monaco will happen again, next season. Just what is the reason anyone would still want this spunk-crumb to remain as Arsenal manager still?
Drop your only striker, start a right back with no football under his belt, deploy a joke goalie who shouldn't be getting games in League 1 FFS.
Except it didn't, did it?
We dominated possession (natch + ), we had many, many more shots, hit the woodwork three times and on another day would have obliterated them. All this whilst playing poorly and with a much-changed team.
Win ugly - something we have been accused of not doing for yonks. Job done, move on, we're in the final.
), we had many, many more shots, hit the woodwork three times and on another day would have obliterated them. All this whilst playing poorly and with a much-changed team.