THE WENGER THREAD

[g88ner]

No need to be an arsehole about it mate.

It's ok to disagree with me without making me out to be a retard.

You do that all by yourself amigo, sorry

ok

[donaldo71]

Season 2014/15

Games v Chelsea & Spurs

Played 4 won 0 drawn 2 lost 2


Progress...? Yeah right

But we have progressed!

Putting your sarcastic and negative hat to one side, can you honestly not see an ounce of progress relative to the last few years? - you asked me about progress, so I listed some but you haven't replied.

Where the fuck were you when Eboue, Denilson, Song and Bendtner were in the team at the turn of the decade? - honestly, we've progressed since then. I'm sure of it.

Progress you say.Last season we finished 3points behind Chelsea and 7 behind the champions.That will not happen this season.The CL was a complete disaster again.Its funny that a competion Wenger couldnt care about for a decade the FA cup is now seen as a major trophy

[Ikechukwu1]

Season 2014/15

Games v Chelsea & Spurs

Played 4 won 0 drawn 2 lost 2


Progress...? Yeah right

But we have progressed!

Putting your sarcastic and negative hat to one side, can you honestly not see an ounce of progress relative to the last few years? - you asked me about progress, so I listed some but you haven't replied.

Where the fuck were you when Eboue, Denilson, Song and Bendtner were in the team at the turn of the decade? - honestly, we've progressed since then. I'm sure of it.

Progress you say.Last season we finished 3points behind Chelsea and 7 behind the champions.That will not happen this season.The CL was a complete disaster again.Its funny that a competion Wenger couldnt care about for a decade the FA cup is now seen as a major trophy

I really don't get why so many people aren't buying into this #progress? I think it's cos you're all negative doomsayers who fail to appreciate the great strides being made!

[g88ner]

Season 2014/15

Games v Chelsea & Spurs

Played 4 won 0 drawn 2 lost 2


Progress...? Yeah right

But we have progressed!

Putting your sarcastic and negative hat to one side, can you honestly not see an ounce of progress relative to the last few years? - you asked me about progress, so I listed some but you haven't replied.

Where the fuck were you when Eboue, Denilson, Song and Bendtner were in the team at the turn of the decade? - honestly, we've progressed since then. I'm sure of it.

Progress you say.Last season we finished 3points behind Chelsea and 7 behind the champions.That will not happen this season.The CL was a complete disaster again.Its funny that a competion Wenger couldnt care about for a decade the FA cup is now seen as a major trophy

I've always been fond of the FA Cup mate. It annoyed the hell out of me when we opted out of the cup by playing heavily weakened teams

[BFG4]

The funny thing is that some fans think finishing 2nd means that every problem we had is solved, and that we are going to win the league next year. Well L'pool finished 2nd last season, and wont even make the top four this season, while Chelsea finished 3rd, and are going to win the league, so finishing 2nd means nothing, especially when your 10 points behind the league leaders. in this season of 'progress' we have lost to Swansea, Southampton, Spurs, and drew with Leicester, Hull(at home), and Everton. They are all games that were winnable, and could have led to an actual title challenge, but with clueless in charge that wont be happening any time soon.

[g88ner]

The funny thing is that some fans think finishing 2nd means that every problem we had is solved, and that we are going to win the league next year. Well L'pool finished 2nd last season, and wont even make the top four this season, while Chelsea finished 3rd, and are going to win the league, so finishing 2nd means nothing, especially when your 10 points behind the league leaders. in this season of 'progress' we have lost to Swansea, Southampton, Spurs, and drew with Leicester, Hull(at home), and Everton. They are all games that were winnable, and could have led to an actual title challenge, but with clueless in charge that wont be happening any time soon.

I don't think many people think our problems are solved. Far from it, there's a shed load that needs doing.

Sadly, Wenger is here to stay but I guess the hope is that confidence breeds confidence, and we can build on this. We've shown a willingness to buy world stars in the last 2 summers so hopefully that continues, and back to back FA Cup wins will feel fantastic.

I've little hope of a Wenger team ever toppling Mourinho's Chelsea though as for the CL...

[Nuggets]

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[Nuggets]

[Nuggets]

With Wonga we MIGHT win the odd cup (with the exception of the CL) but we will never win the prem, he is outdated and arrogant to say the least ALL the other clubs know how to play us, yes we have done reasonably well but we/he lacks the nonce to win the big one. The sooner he goes the better.

[augie]

The funny thing is that some fans think finishing 2nd means that every problem we had is solved, and that we are going to win the league next year. Well L'pool finished 2nd last season, and wont even make the top four this season, while Chelsea finished 3rd, and are going to win the league, so finishing 2nd means nothing, especially when your 10 points behind the league leaders. in this season of 'progress' we have lost to Swansea, Southampton, Spurs, and drew with Leicester, Hull(at home), and Everton. They are all games that were winnable, and could have led to an actual title challenge, but with clueless in charge that wont be happening any time soon.

I don't think many people think our problems are solved. Far from it, there's a shed load that needs doing.

Sadly, Wenger is here to stay but I guess the hope is that confidence breeds confidence, and we can build on this. We've shown a willingness to buy world stars in the last 2 summers so hopefully that continues, and back to back FA Cup wins will feel fantastic.

I've little hope of a Wenger team ever toppling Mourinho's Chelsea though as for the CL...

It is one thing buying them, but it is another thing to utilise them properly - ozil for example is a top quality no.10 imo but he has been fcuked about and now is at the point where he needs to be moved on in the summer. In the last few games le cock has reverted to playing ramsey out wide - this is an idea that has failed so many times in the past and yet he has gone back to it at a time where the team were playing well

I just dont see the point in buying top quality players and then playing them in a system that doesnt suit their talents - I dont give a shit if people choose to label arshavin as lazy, but the simple fact is that he was a top quality no.10 and was shunted out to play as a winger and the wenker compounded that error by doing the very same with ozil and cazorla. Unless our formation and tactics change (wishful thinking I know), wenker needs to cease this policy of buying lightweight ball players and buy some players with steel who can do that ball winning and allow our more technical players to shine

[DB10GOONER]

This obsession with the points total strikes me as people being very selective and subjective about their argument regarding progress. The points total is only relevant to the season that the points are earned in. You can technically win the PL with less points than got you to 2nd or 3rd the season before - depending on how other teams do. So for me it's down to where you finish. If you finish 4th and then the following season you finish 2nd then you have made progress and only an absolute moron could not see that.

Therefore if we retain the FA cup and finish second then yes we have made progress.

The problem is it's progress within a restricted area; that of the mythical "Top Four Finish". Second place is not champions and finishing 2nd is still just another place within that top four. It's also not good enough that a manager that takes home £7million a year (now £8million) hasn't won even one title in the last 10 years. So whilst it's progress, it is still (after all these years) not good enough.

It's also realistically the best we can hope for with Wenger.

[Gunner Rob]

Season 2014/15

Games v Chelsea & Spurs

Played 4 won 0 drawn 2 lost 2


Progress...? Yeah right

But we have progressed!

Putting your sarcastic and negative hat to one side, can you honestly not see an ounce of progress relative to the last few years? - you asked me about progress, so I listed some but you haven't replied.

Where the fuck were you when Eboue, Denilson, Song and Bendtner were in the team at the turn of the decade? - honestly, we've progressed since then. I'm sure of it.

Wenger is the master of illusion - that's why he is still here. Actually in the team that contained those players in 2007/08 we maintained a league title challenge. This season we have been nowhere near challenging. That is not progression, it is called regression.

[DB10GOONER]

Season 2014/15

Games v Chelsea & Spurs

Played 4 won 0 drawn 2 lost 2


Progress...? Yeah right

But we have progressed!

Putting your sarcastic and negative hat to one side, can you honestly not see an ounce of progress relative to the last few years? - you asked me about progress, so I listed some but you haven't replied.

Where the fuck were you when Eboue, Denilson, Song and Bendtner were in the team at the turn of the decade? - honestly, we've progressed since then. I'm sure of it.

Wenger is the master of illusion - that's why he is still here. Actually in the team that contained those players in 2007/08 we maintained a league title challenge. This season we have been nowhere near challenging. That is not progression, it is called regression.

Again, a bit selective, as most of those players listed were not first choice in the PL in the 08 season. Bendtner had 7 starts and 20 as sub. Song 5 starts and 4 as sub. Denilson 4 starts and 9 sub. Eboue actually wasn't bad that season. He went to shit in the seasons after that. The players that pushed that 08 title challenge were Barndoor, Cesc, Flamoney, Sagna, Clichy and Hleb. It was the period after that 08 PL challenge when Wenger "built" a team around shite like Eboue, Denilson, Song and Bendtner.

[Gunner Rob]

This obsession with the points total strikes me as people being very selective and subjective about their argument regarding progress. The points total is only relevant to the season that the points are earned in. You can technically win the PL with less points than got you to 2nd or 3rd the season before - depending on how other teams do. So for me it's down to where you finish. If you finish 4th and then the following season you finish 2nd then you have made progress and only an absolute moron could not see that.

Therefore if we retain the FA cup and finish second then yes we have made progress.

The problem is it's progress within a restricted area; that of the mythical "Top Four Finish". Second place is not champions and finishing 2nd is still just another place within that top four. It's also not good enough that a manager that takes home £7million a year (now £8million) hasn't won even one title in the last 10 years. So whilst it's progress, it is still (after all these years) not good enough.

It's also realistically the best we can hope for with Wenger.

I think most people would accept finishing 2nd and maintaining a title challenge as being progress.
However finishing 2nd and not maintaining a title challenge is not progress - although we finished 4th last year we were actually much more competitive for a lot of the season

[augie]

This obsession with the points total strikes me as people being very selective and subjective about their argument regarding progress. The points total is only relevant to the season that the points are earned in. You can technically win the PL with less points than got you to 2nd or 3rd the season before - depending on how other teams do. So for me it's down to where you finish. If you finish 4th and then the following season you finish 2nd then you have made progress and only an absolute moron could not see that.

Therefore if we retain the FA cup and finish second then yes we have made progress.

The problem is it's progress within a restricted area; that of the mythical "Top Four Finish". Second place is not champions and finishing 2nd is still just another place within that top four. It's also not good enough that a manager that takes home £7million a year (now £8million) hasn't won even one title in the last 10 years. So whilst it's progress, it is still (after all these years) not good enough.

It's also realistically the best we can hope for with Wenger.

So are you saying that, for example, finishing 4th in a truly competitive high quality league, is worse than finishing 2nd in a weak league ? I can see what you are saying about looking at points accumulation is very selective, but then you cite finishing position as a measuring point when it too is subjective and fails to consider the level of quality of our team or of our opponents