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Blood_Gooner wrote:I'll ask again, for those who might have missed it, are we any closer to winning the title this season than any other season over the last 10 or so seasons?
And, please spare me the tedious injuries excuse. We all know that if all our sure pick players were available from the get go, Clueless would run them into the ground by midway the season and we'd still be hearing the same lame injuries excuse coming from another angle. So, don't waste any time pulling that Pravda spiel.
If the answer to the above question is a no, then I reckon you all know what's the follow up question....
I think so yes!
Last year we finished fourth. This year we could finish second, maybe third. That's closer!
Last year we were only had to reverse two results and we would have been champions. Admittedly we got royally butt fucked in those two but it was still only two results.
So then, it's the league position that will determine progress? Doesn't matter that we'll quite possibly finish even more points adrift of the league winners, we'll say it's progress once we've bested the rest of also rans.
So Wenger is lambasted for changing a winning team, and also accused of running players into the ground.....
Moaned about for not taking the FA Cup seriously and now we win it it is demeaned. It's all about winning silverware isn't it, or are the goalposts moving?
I'd repeat that it is progress, but also that it is not (IMHO) good enough progress given what Wenger earns, what we've spent, the ticket prices we pay, and the amount of time it's taken to see any progress (nearly a DECADE).
Statements like Gazidis' one above are infuriating as it shows how out of touch the board are with the fans. No real Arsenal fan gives a flying fuck how well the club is run in a business sense. Sure it's a nice bonus, if it's run well, but our proper business is football and football fans want to win games and win trophies, not look at spreadsheets and analyse profit margins.
The goalposts will constantly move to justify any given viewpoint at any time.
Stats can be manipulated to present any view you want them to.
I just think it is sad that we have two separate extreme viewpoints tearing the fan base apart. Why is it apparently not acceptable for there to be a middle ground? If you say one negative thing you're accused of being a WOB and if you dare to give some credit when it is due then you're deemed to be an AKB!
Blood_Gooner wrote:I'll ask again, for those who might have missed it, are we any closer to winning the title this season than any other season over the last 10 or so seasons?
And, please spare me the tedious injuries excuse. We all know that if all our sure pick players were available from the get go, Clueless would run them into the ground by midway the season and we'd still be hearing the same lame injuries excuse coming from another angle. So, don't waste any time pulling that Pravda spiel.
If the answer to the above question is a no, then I reckon you all know what's the follow up question....
Lets be honest before last season it was about winning trophies, anything!!, if we win another one I'd say we're on the right path. The title or the CL is an entirely different matter. The idea that Arsene will say to Giroud and Welbeck,' get used to the bench' and buy a proper striker, buy a GK, and say thanks but no thanks szczezny', etc is too far fetched.
I don't trust Arsene really to prioritise winning the PL or CL before he goes, he should though. I cannot believe any manager of his experience will be happy to at best winning the smaller cups for the rest of his career. Does he have no ambition to win the European Cup?
You are my sunshine wrote:So Wenger is lambasted for changing a winning team, and also accused of running players into the ground.....
Moaned about for not taking the FA Cup seriously and now we win it it is demeaned. It's all about winning silverware isn't it, or are the goalposts moving?
Too simplistic. Unfortunately Wenger does get those areas quite wrong quite often. He plays certain players to death until they lose form, and he overly changes a team thus weakening it. There is a middle ground where you don't overdo the changes and where you don't keep on your best (but tired) player for the last 20 minutes when you are winning 4 or 5 nil.
For me, the people demeaning the FA cup win are being idiotic to say the least. But some people will use anything as an excuse to beat Wenger and tbh such a one sided and unbalanced view cheapens and often negates a lot of their argument. If a poster is negative about everything (even the good stuff) to do with The Arsenal then no one can take him seriously.
I hope that bit of deflection to FA Cup isn't aimed at me. Not once did I mention it or down play its worth. However, I'm aware that some folks are doctorate level when it comes onto misconstruing posts and some are simply lacking in basic R & C skills - for which I do sympathise.
My simple argument is, I don't buy into this whole progress narrative when we still can't trouble the league leaders. At the very least, not in any sustainable manner.
You cannot say we haven't progressed until we beat Chelsea. That's just nonsense.
If our record against the other top clubs is better this year than last then that is progress....end of.
We may not have progressed as much as we all want to but we also live in a world where we want everything today. I think with a couple, maybe three, quality additions we'll be making a real challenge in the coming years. In order to get those signings we may need a new manager and/or a slightly different style of play. As much as I hate c u n t, John Terry is right when he says we won't win anything playing the tippy tappy shite we often do.
Do you believe that if we made two or three quality signings we would win a title under this manager ? Let me put it another way, would he win the league if he was managing the current chav or citeeh teams ? Quality additions are really crucial for this squad but unbalanced team selections and a total lack and comprehension of tactics will ensure that he remains yesterdays man. I know that you said that we may need a new manager to get those signings, but my question is about our prospects if we made those signings with wenker in charge cos new signings will only take us so far, and chances are that those signings wouldnt be in the positions of need anyway
The simple answer is 'I don't know'. Liverpool were very close to winning the league last year and their manager is far worse than ours.
We could win it under him but similarly we could bring in Klopp and finish outside the top four for the first time in years. We just simply don't know.
And of course, there's no 3rd alternative - bring in an Ancelotti or a Klopp, improve, and actually win the title - right?
The only options are "possibly winning it" under AW...or...finishing outside the Top 4 trophy places under Klopp.
The possibility of Klopp winning the league as manager is totally discounted of course.
You cannot say we haven't progressed until we beat Chelsea. That's just nonsense.
If our record against the other top clubs is better this year than last then that is progress....end of.
We may not have progressed as much as we all want to but we also live in a world where we want everything today. I think with a couple, maybe three, quality additions we'll be making a real challenge in the coming years. In order to get those signings we may need a new manager and/or a slightly different style of play. As much as I hate c u n t, John Terry is right when he says we won't win anything playing the tippy tappy shite we often do.
Do you believe that if we made two or three quality signings we would win a title under this manager ? Let me put it another way, would he win the league if he was managing the current chav or citeeh teams ? Quality additions are really crucial for this squad but unbalanced team selections and a total lack and comprehension of tactics will ensure that he remains yesterdays man. I know that you said that we may need a new manager to get those signings, but my question is about our prospects if we made those signings with wenker in charge cos new signings will only take us so far, and chances are that those signings wouldnt be in the positions of need anyway
The simple answer is 'I don't know'. Liverpool were very close to winning the league last year and their manager is far worse than ours.
We could win it under him but similarly we could bring in Klopp and finish outside the top four for the first time in years. We just simply don't know.
And of course, there's no 3rd alternative - bring in an Ancelotti or a Klopp, improve, and actually win the title - right?
The only options are "possibly winning it" under AW...or...finishing outside the Top 4 trophy places under Klopp.
The possibility of Klopp winning the league as manager is totally discounted of course.
Horseshit. Where did he say that? Absolute horseshit ItchyBaba. He says we have no way of knowing and that is correct. Look how brilliantly Beavis is doing at Manure. Previous success and reputation are no guarantee of success in the PL. Your constant misinterpretation of simple statements is getting boring now tbh.
Blood_Gooner wrote:I'll ask again, for those who might have missed it, are we any closer to winning the title this season than any other season over the last 10 or so seasons?
And, please spare me the tedious injuries excuse. We all know that if all our sure pick players were available from the get go, Clueless would run them into the ground by midway the season and we'd still be hearing the same lame injuries excuse coming from another angle. So, don't waste any time pulling that Pravda spiel.
If the answer to the above question is a no, then I reckon you all know what's the follow up question....
According to some, not giving credit for errr...not challenging for the title, getting slapped by a poor team in the CL, and still playing Ramsey out wide, whilst failing to beat Jose again is "trolling".
So even though I agree that it's obvious that #Progress has clearly not been made (spending £100m and not competing for the league? Really? ) well let's ignore that obvious fact and look for "credit" wherever it may be due
Blood_Gooner wrote:I hope that bit of deflection to FA Cup isn't aimed at me. Not once did I mention it or down play its worth. However, I'm aware that some folks are doctorate level when it comes onto misconstruing posts and some are simply lacking in basic R & C skills - for which I do sympathise.
Nope, not aimed at you, that I am aware of. It was a general comment aimed at the people that have demeaned the FA cup.
Were you one of those? If so, then I change that to "yes".
Blood_Gooner wrote:I hope that bit of deflection to FA Cup isn't aimed at me. Not once did I mention it or down play its worth. However, I'm aware that some folks are doctorate level when it comes onto misconstruing posts and some are simply lacking in basic R & C skills - for which I do sympathise.
Nope, not aimed at you, that I am aware of. It was a general comment aimed at the people that have demeaned the FA cup.
Were you one of those? If so, then I change that to "yes".
I celebrated like pig in shit upon winning it last season and will jizz my pants again when we do back to back honours come May 30th.
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You cannot say we haven't progressed until we beat Chelsea. That's just nonsense.
If our record against the other top clubs is better this year than last then that is progress....end of.
We may not have progressed as much as we all want to but we also live in a world where we want everything today. I think with a couple, maybe three, quality additions we'll be making a real challenge in the coming years. In order to get those signings we may need a new manager and/or a slightly different style of play. As much as I hate c u n t, John Terry is right when he says we won't win anything playing the tippy tappy shite we often do.
Do you believe that if we made two or three quality signings we would win a title under this manager ? Let me put it another way, would he win the league if he was managing the current chav or citeeh teams ? Quality additions are really crucial for this squad but unbalanced team selections and a total lack and comprehension of tactics will ensure that he remains yesterdays man. I know that you said that we may need a new manager to get those signings, but my question is about our prospects if we made those signings with wenker in charge cos new signings will only take us so far, and chances are that those signings wouldnt be in the positions of need anyway
The simple answer is 'I don't know'. Liverpool were very close to winning the league last year and their manager is far worse than ours.
We could win it under him but similarly we could bring in Klopp and finish outside the top four for the first time in years. We just simply don't know.
And of course, there's no 3rd alternative - bring in an Ancelotti or a Klopp, improve, and actually win the title - right?
The only options are "possibly winning it" under AW...or...finishing outside the Top 4 trophy places under Klopp.
The possibility of Klopp winning the league as manager is totally discounted of course.
Horseshit. Where did he say that? Absolute horseshit ItchyBaba. He says we have no way of knowing and that is correct. Look how brilliantly Beavis is doing at Manure. Previous success and reputation are no guarantee of success in the PL. Your constant misinterpretation of simple statements is getting boring now tbh.
Sigh. Read the last part again where 2 options are clearly given: option 1, is possibly achieving with AW. Option 2, is finishing outside the Top 4 with Klopp. It's written right there. But sure. "Wum" "invented" etc etc...
Jesus...
Ikechukwu1 wrote:
Sigh. Read the last part again where 2 options are clearly given: option 1, is possibly achieving with AW. Option 2, is finishing outside the Top 4 with Klopp. It's written right there. But sure. "Wum" "invented" etc etc...
Jesus...
Double sigh. Are you this simple? Where does he say they are the ONLY two options. He is generalising, saying that for example here's two things that might happen, qualified by "I don't know". Do you need him to list every single possible option for you to understand the post?
Dear WUM, clearly my post was to demonstrate two possible extremes. if it makes you feel better we'll put the other option there too.
Maybe we could win it with Klopp or finish outside the top four for the first time in years under AW.
Does that make it all better for your limited ability to read the fucking obvious?
) well let's ignore that obvious fact and look for "credit" wherever it may be due 
