As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Gunner Rob wrote:can we at least not have the usual deluded types come on here in August saying that we can win the league.
last summer's optimism just because we bought Sanchez was quite frankly embarrasing.
we don't have a striker, until we buy one then we won't ever finish higher than 3rd.
I get the sentiment and would agree that some people are deluded. However, we are capable of winning the league as the other clubs at the top are clearly not as good as they were in previous seasons (a strong reason put forward by the WOB's as to whywe haven't progressed). We should go into the season with the belief that we could win it or there is little point in even bothering to turn up.
Can we win the league next season? Yes, of course we can.
Are we likely to? No, not without some considerable changes and better players in certain positions.
but that is not going to happen is it with Wenger still in charge!
how many years of failure will it take for you to realise this?
Arsenal FC 2015 is about finishing inside the top 4, there is no desire to win the league - it costs too much money for too little reward.
I have accepted this and gradually go less and less as the whole charade is utterly pointless.
Are you privy to the transfer targets for this summer then? I wasn't aware we had stated our intentions in the public arena.
You don't know who he's gonna sign and who he isn't any more than I do. I refer to my earlier point about sweeping generalisations.
kiwomya wrote:
You question the quality of the teams we have beaten in the cup yet Chelsea were dumped out by Bradford and City lost 2-0 to Boro.
You can't really be that much of a simpleton, surely, to drag that out as a defence of your hero?
ROFL. I suppose that'd make Swansea a nouveau Real Madrid for thrashing Bradford in that cup final after they dumped Arsenal out. . You gotta love AKB logic!
I reckon the fact you signed up on this forum under another name after being banned is more worthy of a ROFL.
kiwomya wrote:
You question the quality of the teams we have beaten in the cup yet Chelsea were dumped out by Bradford and City lost 2-0 to Boro.
You can't really be that much of a simpleton, surely, to drag that out as a defence of your hero?
WTF? It was a comment about the apparent poor sides we've played.
And mine was to undermine that obviously specious point! Now this one is to give the conclusion that you have failed to reach (or didn't want to acknowledge), ie: Most gooners would happily have traded getting beaten in the FA Cup by Bradford if we instead won the League (and another cup to boot)!!
kiwomya wrote:
You question the quality of the teams we have beaten in the cup yet Chelsea were dumped out by Bradford and City lost 2-0 to Boro.
You can't really be that much of a simpleton, surely, to drag that out as a defence of your hero?
WTF? It was a comment about the apparent poor sides we've played.
And mine was to undermine that obviously specious point! Now this one is to give the conclusion that you have failed to reach (or didn't want to acknowledge), ie: Most gooners would happily have traded getting beaten in the FA Cup by Bradford if we instead won the League (and another cup to boot)!!
I think most would trade but that wasn't what my post was about!
''You don't know who he's gonna sign and who he isn't any more than I do. I refer to my earlier point about sweeping generalisations.''
Spud, do you honestly believe that its personnel that is holding us back from a proper title challenge? We could buy better players, but Wenger still wont have a clue tactically, and players will be played out of position. Also, regardless of who we buy during the summer, we still will be short in at least one position because that's what's happened every year under Wenger. Do you think with a better manager, we still would have only finished 3rd this season? Would a better manager have allowed us to over commit in attack in so many games, Swansea away being the prime example. Those of us that are anti-Wenger base our opinions, and beliefs on Wenger's actions in the last 10 years, while you have some mythical hope that Wenger will change. As the saying goes, past behaviour is a predictor of future behaviour.
Gunner Rob wrote:can we at least not have the usual deluded types come on here in August saying that we can win the league.
last summer's optimism just because we bought Sanchez was quite frankly embarrasing.
we don't have a striker, until we buy one then we won't ever finish higher than 3rd.
I get the sentiment and would agree that some people are deluded. However, we are capable of winning the league as the other clubs at the top are clearly not as good as they were in previous seasons (a strong reason put forward by the WOB's as to whywe haven't progressed). We should go into the season with the belief that we could win it or there is little point in even bothering to turn up.
Can we win the league next season? Yes, of course we can.
Are we likely to? No, not without some considerable changes and better players in certain positions.
but that is not going to happen is it with Wenger still in charge!
how many years of failure will it take for you to realise this?
Arsenal FC 2015 is about finishing inside the top 4, there is no desire to win the league - it costs too much money for too little reward.
I have accepted this and gradually go less and less as the whole charade is utterly pointless.
Are you privy to the transfer targets for this summer then? I wasn't aware we had stated our intentions in the public arena.
You don't know who he's gonna sign and who he isn't any more than I do. I refer to my earlier point about sweeping generalisations.
what have transfer targets got to do with anything?
we signed Ozil in 2013 and Sanchez in 2014. We are STILL not doing any better because we have a manager who is incapable of beating the best teams on a regular basis. He is a manager who has shown he can get you top 4 but not any higher. the board are happy with this. yet somehow you think things will miraculously change this summer. they won't and probably deep down you know they won't either.
Spuddy, how much difference will our summer transfer activity make as regards challenging for the league next season ? You are right that we dont know what the club intends to do but tbh I'm not sure how much difference it will make anyway - it is my opinion that wenker could have the most talented team in this league and still not win the title because he cannot motivate his players and he STILL hasnt got the tactical acumen to break down a team set up like swansea and sunderland Nobody can argue that our team and squad is far superior to both swansea and the mackems and yet we seen how those games panned out - even the most retarded manager would look at the previous 2 games (against swansea and manure) and made some (tactical) personel changes cos both performances were total cack and this again puts the responsibility at the managers door.
Lads, lads, Spuddys defence of Wenger is purely in his role of the forums "devils advocate". Not his actual, real opinion. Hes not an AKB remember
So leave him alone.
armchair wrote:Lads, lads, Spuddys defence of Wenger is purely in his role of the forums "devils advocate". Not his actual, real opinion. Hes not an AKB remember
So leave him alone.
kiwomya wrote:
You question the quality of the teams we have beaten in the cup yet Chelsea were dumped out by Bradford and City lost 2-0 to Boro.
You can't really be that much of a simpleton, surely, to drag that out as a defence of your hero?
ROFL. I suppose that'd make Swansea a nouveau Real Madrid for thrashing Bradford in that cup final after they dumped Arsenal out. . You gotta love AKB logic!
I reckon the fact you signed up on this forum under another name after being banned is more worthy of a ROFL.
Wasting your time ,he will side step your comment.
augie wrote:Spuddy, how much difference will our summer transfer activity make as regards challenging for the league next season ? You are right that we dont know what the club intends to do but tbh I'm not sure how much difference it will make anyway - it is my opinion that wenker could have the most talented team in this league and still not win the title because he cannot motivate his players and he STILL hasnt got the tactical acumen to break down a team set up like swansea and sunderland Nobody can argue that our team and squad is far superior to both swansea and the mackems and yet we seen how those games panned out - even the most retarded manager would look at the previous 2 games (against swansea and manure) and made some (tactical) personel changes cos both performances were total cack and this again puts the responsibility at the managers door.
I've no idea how much difference our summer transfer activity will make but unlike others here
I'm hoping it will make a positive difference. When he did have the most talented team in the league I seem to remember that we actually did win the league and the players appeared to be very motivated. At the time though, as great as we were we still couldn't break down a very average Bolton led by a shite manager that tactically got the better of us on a regular basis. Nobody could say that our team and squad wasn't far superior to them but look how those games panned out.
Sometimes when we play poorly it is the managers fault. Other times it is the players.
Everyone on here says that we are always a player short or don't strengthen where we need to. This summer may well be the same but it might not be. What I don't get is why people moan like a bunch of kids when we don't strengthen where they think we should but then make statements like "it doesn't matter if we do because the manager is tactically naïve". Well I'm sorry but if it doesn't matter then why do you moan when he doesn't buy the right player?
Getting tired of how AW has us play so narrow. He really could be exploiting the wide spaces with the players we have, but instead we want to jam the ball through the middle. AW better be looking at strikers this summer we need a more versatile one.
. You gotta love AKB logic! 
