As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
foxinthebox2001 wrote:In my humble opinion Ramsey can not be trusted to hold the central midfield, lacks the discipline and he likes to imagine he is the Pele of The Valleys, fancy flicks and back heels that invariably give possesion away.
its a specialist position, watch Matic, he has an invisible borderline he never crosses.
He's not a holding midfielder though is he? Nonsense comparison to Matic.
Some would argue he is better suited playing centre midfield, rather than right wing, where Ox is a better option.
But, if he does play central his job will be holding/offensive dependant on if we have the ball, like the role Fabregas plays. The problem actually stems from the central defence, a more solid, quicker centre back than Mert and we can relax a little more in protecting them.
Currently, and for many seasons, we have needed 2 holding, it means we then need 5 in midfield and can only play 1 striker.
Cant agree - the chavs are recognised as having a strong defence for many years now, and yet they always operate with a strong DM. What we lack is a top quality strong DM - if we had matic then the likes of cazorla and ramsey could play with more freedom going forward cos they know that they have a reliable guy playing behind them that will protect the back line. Playing coquelin in DM is better than the current alternatives, but you tell me if you would feel confident in the way you would with a PV4, matic, petit or scumbag keane ? A Dm's job is to protect the back 4 regardless of how good or bad the defence is, so isolating anyone of the defenders is pointless until we have a quality DM in front of them.
Btw, you talk about the need to play 2 holding midfielders and the problems playing with one striker cause, but the problem is that we dont have the players to play any system properly - cazorla, arteta and ramsey were never holding midfielders before they came to us, but le cock tried to re-invent them and nullified all the positive attributes that had caused us to buy them in the first place. Likewise neither ozil, ramsey, cazorla or rosicky are wingers and playing them out there is pure ridiculous. We have a system that doesnt suit the players we have and in fact the only system that suits the players is one that allows you play with 6 central midfielders and 1 immobile striker up front
Augie, you are spot on, I remember so well games where PV4 and Petit never let the ball get to Our brilliant back 4- so why why why why why has this sort of plan that the Chavs organise so well not have been continued by AW. Among many moderate mysteries of AW this is the biggest unanswerable issue.
Cant be money, nor senility, and when he first arrived he seemed to be flexible with ideas. Has he had a brain transplant
The thing is in the Halcyon days of the Lord Wenger we had very strong minded players a lot of of whom had very keen footballing brains thus they could adjust on the field themselves after some discussions !
It meant we could do any number of formations in the space of 1 game and still win .
We simply don't have that sort of player anymore or a leader on the field thus we follow a rigid pattern
Herd wrote:The thing is in the Halcyon days of the Lord Wenger we had very strong minded players a lot of of whom had very keen footballing brains thus they could adjust on the field themselves after some discussions !
It meant we could do any number of formations in the space of 1 game and still win .
We simply don't have that sort of player anymore or a leader on the field thus we follow a rigid pattern
This is very true. Also, a team like the 98 - 06 team (and variations therein) comes along maybe only once in each club's history, I think. I'm talking about truly great, where nearly every player is world class, the first 11 full of on pitch leaders and alpha personalities. And doing it for more than just one season. Mousers had their great team late 70's - mid 80's, Manure in the 90's to early 2000's. ours 98-06 roughly. We probably will never ever see another Gunners team as good as that generation that played between 98 - 06.
Herd wrote:The thing is in the Halcyon days of the Lord Wenger we had very strong minded players a lot of of whom had very keen footballing brains thus they could adjust on the field themselves after some discussions !
It meant we could do any number of formations in the space of 1 game and still win .
We simply don't have that sort of player anymore or a leader on the field thus we follow a rigid pattern
This is very true. Also, a team like the 98 - 06 team (and variations therein) comes along maybe only once in each club's history, I think. I'm talking about truly great, where nearly every player is world class, the first 11 full of on pitch leaders and alpha personalities. And doing it for more than just one season. Mousers had their great team late 70's - mid 80's, Manure in the 90's to early 2000's. ours 98-06 roughly. We probably will never ever see another Gunners team as good as that generation that played between 98 - 06.
It appears that Wenger has ditched the alpha males and gone for the choirboy approach.
This is the singluar biggest problem - that he cannot stitch together a side capable of competing for the league. If he was the genius he's made out to be, he would. He's done well over the years but given the resources he's had (and squandered) that's what you'd expect.
Live the sword and all that. if we were unable to compete for the league because of the money, it's only right that teams like everton shouldn't be able to get near us for 4th. Even spurs
foxinthebox2001 wrote:In my humble opinion Ramsey can not be trusted to hold the central midfield, lacks the discipline and he likes to imagine he is the Pele of The Valleys, fancy flicks and back heels that invariably give possesion away.
its a specialist position, watch Matic, he has an invisible borderline he never crosses.
He's not a holding midfielder though is he? Nonsense comparison to Matic.
Some would argue he is better suited playing centre midfield, rather than right wing, where Ox is a better option.
But, if he does play central his job will be holding/offensive dependant on if we have the ball, like the role Fabregas plays.
The problem actually stems from the central defence, a more solid, quicker centre back than Mert and we can relax a little more in protecting them.
Currently, and for many seasons, we have needed 2 holding, it means we then need 5 in midfield and can only play 1 striker.
I agree he is better at CM - why even bother playing him on the right wing?
If you're comparing him to Fabregas' role I think that's a pretty accurate comparison. There is however a world of difference between Fabregas and Matic's roles.
I think that having 2 deeper-lying CMs who we could play would give our attacking players more freedom and pose less of a risk away from home.
