Mesut Ozil
Re: Mesut Ozil - should we sell?
Shouldnt a £42m player dominate games against top 4 opposition? It does my head in when Gooners cream themselves when he has a half decent game v teams in the bottom half of the prem. Ozil and Cazorla dont work in the same team v quality opposition.Thats a fact
Nos89
Tell me you are joking about Sanchez.The guy has played non stop for two years.Wenger said he would give him a rest at the start of the season.He rested him for one f*****g game then brought him on as sub!!!.We made 6 changes in Zagreb and we still played him.The guy is out on his feet
Nos89
Tell me you are joking about Sanchez.The guy has played non stop for two years.Wenger said he would give him a rest at the start of the season.He rested him for one f*****g game then brought him on as sub!!!.We made 6 changes in Zagreb and we still played him.The guy is out on his feet
Re: Mesut Ozil - should we sell?
Ozil is a very good player in the right team. Arsenal just aren't the right team, or the way we play doesn't use his talents to the best of his ability.
Quiet honestly paying £42m for a player I do expect him to do something special in not just the big games but most of them.
I thought when we bought him that it'd be a good move but it hasn't turned out that way which is a shame.
We tried him out and it hasn't worked so let's try a different player..oh wait, we don't use the transfer window anymore. Oh well, never mind!
Quiet honestly paying £42m for a player I do expect him to do something special in not just the big games but most of them.
I thought when we bought him that it'd be a good move but it hasn't turned out that way which is a shame.
We tried him out and it hasn't worked so let's try a different player..oh wait, we don't use the transfer window anymore. Oh well, never mind!
Re: Mesut Ozil - should we sell?
No I'm not joking about Sanchez. So far this season he has been ineffective. The chance he missed to equalise would have sealed a draw but had that chance been missed by Theo or Ozil they would have been slaughtered. He works hard tracking back because he loses possession too often. Dont get me wrong, Sanchez is vital to the team, as is Ozil. Its not one or the other. So far this season Alexis is off form, and getting away with being criticised. We have world class players that have not got there game together yet.donaldo71 wrote:Shouldnt a £42m player dominate games against top 4 opposition? It does my head in when Gooners cream themselves when he has a half decent game v teams in the bottom half of the prem. Ozil and Cazorla dont work in the same team v quality opposition.Thats a fact
Nos89
Tell me you are joking about Sanchez.The guy has played non stop for two years.Wenger said he would give him a rest at the start of the season.He rested him for one f*****g game then brought him on as sub!!!.We made 6 changes in Zagreb and we still played him.The guy is out on his feet
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Re: Mesut Ozil - should we sell?
Sanchez has been poor this year. The bloke just looks absolutely fucked which after a World Cup, a full season being absolutely flogged by us, a full Copa America campaign and then no rest as promised combined with an unmatched work rate and intensity is not hugely surprising. Just looks half a yard slower and people are able to get a toe on the ball where last year they were eating dust. Not a 100% excuse but pretty comprehensive mitigation.
In contrast, whilst Ozil has been overplayed at points that can't be an excuse for his form over two years plus. Whilst he keeps things ticking over nicely etc a player of his supposed quality and value has to do more. Has he ever put in a stand-out performance in a big game or against a good side?
In contrast, whilst Ozil has been overplayed at points that can't be an excuse for his form over two years plus. Whilst he keeps things ticking over nicely etc a player of his supposed quality and value has to do more. Has he ever put in a stand-out performance in a big game or against a good side?
Re: Mesut Ozil - should we sell?
Agree with this, Ozil with smart quick players around him would be arguably the best assist maker anywhere in the world. His vision and passing is really top class, but he needs those great players around him to make him a great player.Midz wrote:Ozil is a very good player in the right team. Arsenal just aren't the right team, or the way we play doesn't use his talents to the best of his ability.
Quiet honestly paying £42m for a player I do expect him to do something special in not just the big games but most of them.
I thought when we bought him that it'd be a good move but it hasn't turned out that way which is a shame.
We tried him out and it hasn't worked so let's try a different player..oh wait, we don't use the transfer window anymore. Oh well, never mind!
Re: Mesut Ozil - should we sell?
Sanchez returned later than all 3 German world cup winners did last season. It will no doubt end up with an injury for Sanchez. Going back to Ozil, he's not a limelight player can anyone remember games he was outstanding for at Real Madrid? I don't he had Ronaldo, Benzema, Higuain in front of him who grabbed the glory. He's adjusted his game and he will get better. Santi improved his game cos of Ozil. Ramsey improved his game because of Ozil. This same team was awesome from January. It's should not be a surprise that the team peaked and have dropped at the same time. Ozil is integral but is not a Gerrard who can carry a team. I believe this is a good thing. He's not a match winner he's a match winner maker, and when our match winners aren't performing, it negates his game.QuartzGooner wrote:Augie
I remember your thread but I think the problem is how Ozil has fitted in, and Cazorla if played deeper in midfield is not a major part of the problem in isolation, it is about how we play as a team, and the focus in training on short passing at the expense of longer passes.
Currently we use Walcott as solo striker.
He is effective in this role when played a certain type of pass, such as for his goal versus Stoke.
But this type of pass is too seldom played to him.
Nos 89
If I was manager, I would have ordered Sanchez to stay on the beach until now.
He was tired last January, but played in the South American Championship and returned to us in August....crazy.
Re: Mesut Ozil - should we sell?
But those Germans didnt play a full tournament the previous year did they?.And are you including PodolskiNos89 wrote:
Sanchez returned later than all 3 German world cup winners did last season.

Sanchez has been burnt into the ground by Wenger.
Ozil starts last season 31 Sanchez 50
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Re: Mesut Ozil - should we sell?
Hell no. We need to keep him and build a proper team around him. Selling the best skilled player we have is not smart. I get that he doesn't fit in to this squad we have right now. That's because most of the player's aren't on his level. Keep Alexis, Ozil, Monreal, Bellerin, Kos, Gabriel, Cech. The rest can go or be used as squad players at best. We need heavy upgrading at the Central Midfield and Striker positions. If we had top top quality players there, then Ozil would look like a world beater.
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Re: Mesut Ozil - should we sell?
Absolutely not. Saw some statistics somewhere which showed that Özil has created fuckloads of goal scoring chances for us but converting them is what it is. Maybe world class striker would've helped...
He is not defensive minded player at all so we shouldn't except him to track back as he doesn't do. But what we can except is the manager to get warrior type DM behind him covering their backs.

He is not defensive minded player at all so we shouldn't except him to track back as he doesn't do. But what we can except is the manager to get warrior type DM behind him covering their backs.
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Re: Mesut Ozil - should we sell?
and Jon Walters would also look a hell of a lot better as wellYankee_Gooner_Dandee wrote: If we had top top quality players there, then Ozil would look like a world beater.

Look, he can and should be doing a lot better in his own right. Don't keep making excuses for him. After all, he was nowhere near Germany's best or most influential player in the summer and it turns out he was surrounded by world champions.
How did that happen?


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No. Easy.
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I know that Ozil isn't the sort of player to be leaving defenders on their arse all game or scoring hat-tricks but that doesn't mean we should just ignore the fact that he has barely had a game of note against a good side since joining. Intangible claims like he has improved others' games etc just don't cut it for me any more. Neither do statements like "he will get better" - it's been over two years now and whilst the form of his first five months wasn't quite electrifying it's better than he's played since.Nos89 wrote:Sanchez returned later than all 3 German world cup winners did last season. It will no doubt end up with an injury for Sanchez. Going back to Ozil, he's not a limelight player can anyone remember games he was outstanding for at Real Madrid? I don't he had Ronaldo, Benzema, Higuain in front of him who grabbed the glory. He's adjusted his game and he will get better. Santi improved his game cos of Ozil. Ramsey improved his game because of Ozil. This same team was awesome from January. It's should not be a surprise that the team peaked and have dropped at the same time. Ozil is integral but is not a Gerrard who can carry a team. I believe this is a good thing. He's not a match winner he's a match winner maker, and when our match winners aren't performing, it negates his game.QuartzGooner wrote:Augie
I remember your thread but I think the problem is how Ozil has fitted in, and Cazorla if played deeper in midfield is not a major part of the problem in isolation, it is about how we play as a team, and the focus in training on short passing at the expense of longer passes.
Currently we use Walcott as solo striker.
He is effective in this role when played a certain type of pass, such as for his goal versus Stoke.
But this type of pass is too seldom played to him.
Nos 89
If I was manager, I would have ordered Sanchez to stay on the beach until now.
He was tired last January, but played in the South American Championship and returned to us in August....crazy.
This isn't throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We pay Ozil a fortune, we can realistically recoup £30-35m for him and he is a luxury player - especially as Cazorla also starts every week. We can't afford to keep him as a useful squad player. It's not enough for him to turn it on occasionally and go missing in all of the big games. Whilst you'd be hard-pressed to find somebody to disagree that he would have profited from better strikers ahead of him for me he hasn't done enough with what he has had.
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Re: Mesut Ozil - should we sell?
Yes we should sell the lazy, overated, overpaid wanker! We should never have bought him in the first place! 

Re: Mesut Ozil - should we sell?
Ozil is a class player but needs good players around him in order to shine,we all know we dont have enough of these !
I think even the legendary Pires and Berkamp might struggle playing with todays Squad !
We grossly overpaid for him though and I doubt that we would get more than 30 m for him now and that doesnt buy much in the hyper inflated market that prevails!
I think even the legendary Pires and Berkamp might struggle playing with todays Squad !
We grossly overpaid for him though and I doubt that we would get more than 30 m for him now and that doesnt buy much in the hyper inflated market that prevails!
Re: Mesut Ozil - should we sell?
It's interesting you should mention Pires, as I recall he was accused of being a bit sift and lightweight for the premier league. DB10 had a lot more aggression and took charge of games...he was a different level. A level Ozil has the potential to reach, and if we had an Adams, Vieira, type on the pitch I believe he'd get there.Herd wrote:Ozil is a class player but needs good players around him in order to shine,we all know we dont have enough of these !
I think even the legendary Pires and Berkamp might struggle playing with todays Squad !
We grossly overpaid for him though and I doubt that we would get more than 30 m for him now and that doesnt buy much in the hyper inflated market that prevails!