THE WENGER THREAD

[northbank123]

I don't think Augie is necessarily saying that unsettling key players from the likes of Chelsea, Madrid and Barca is realistic (it isn't) - I think he is just making the same point as you that unless players are actively touted to us then we won't pursue them and using those players as evidence.

That said, whilst we are never going to nab key players from those top sides I do think that there are still opportunities for us to go in and ask the question about good players who they are not necessarily wanting to sell but whose heads could be turned by the opportunity to be a guaranteed starter in a comfortable side in the PL and CL.

[augie]

The martial "no offer" sums up what I have said for a long, long time.....we would never have signed ozil or sanchez (and more recently cech) were they not being hawked around ebay by their clubs

I genuinely don't understand your eye rolling views on Ozil, Sanchez and Cech. You've said it countless times before and I'm still baffled.

Real Madrid and Barcelona are the biggest clubs on the planet whereas Chelsea are rich and our London rivals. It's unrealistic to expect us to sign players from them when they don't want to sell.

It's more of an issue when going for players outside of the elite clubs, as being told "not for sale" shouldn't be enough to put us off going back in for Suarez or Martial (if we wanted him) or any other player for that matter.

We're a very big club with a bulging bank balance and we should be showing our muscle - but there's limits to that, and getting the best talents from Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Man Utd, City and Sp*rs is probably beyond us unless they have a good reason to sell, as they did with Ozil, Alexis and Cech.

Genuine question Augie, what circumstance of signing an elite player from Real Madrid, Barca and Cheslea would not see you end the comment with an eye roll? ( i.e. )

My feelings is that we are, in terms of size, history and wealth one of THE elite clubs in world football - we should in my opinion, be able to go in and pick off all bar the very elite players in world football. Obviously the top players in barca and real Madrid wont leave them to come and join a club that hasn't won a league in almost 12 years, but there are top players playing in other big clubs in Europe that we could buy if we just showed some strength and ambition in the transfer market - it saddens me that WE continue to belittle ourselves in the transfer market, and always show just enough ambition to stay where we are and players and agents recognise us as a club that is not going to return to it's glory days anytime soon

Regarding the eyes rolling on the signings of sanchez and ozil, my eye rolling is meant as a mock of the theory that we are now going all out to buy elite players again and that le cock has changed his approach - I am delighted with the signings and believe that had we got a proper manager in place we would have seen their elite quality shine through on a much more consistant basis. However lets not claim that their signings indicate a change in philosophy cos that is nowhere near accurate

[northbank123]

To be fair i read Barclay article this week and i was surprised how critical he was of Wenger.

Journos won't keep him in a job, if the crowd turn then eventually his job becomes untenable.

Regardless of what some say about our crowd being tourists etc, there is a significant number that aren't and there have been times when they have made it uncomfortable for a player and Wenger.

Time will tell, but tomorrow is a huge game for Wenger and he needs players to turn up.

That said, we all know the players are good enough, the problem is they are so up and down, which is not good enough.

I'm sorry, but it's laughable for anyone to suggest that the crowd will ever turn on Wenger. As SteveO pointed out, there is usually only a small crowd left to boo when we lose, and the AKB'S are so deluded that we could lose 10 in a row, and if we won the 11th game they would be chanting "one Arsene Wenger". Wenger is absolutely shameless so no matter the embarrassment we go through((8-2, 6-0, 5-1) Wenger will be here until he is told to fuck off.

Disagree, i'm a season ticket holder and have been for many years and although the crowd has remained mainly loyal there are times when a significant number have voiced disapproval, the Villa game being a particular time.

I sense people are growing tired of seeing repeatedly the same mistakes and issues, which are not being rectified.

His inactivity in this summers transfer market, his excuses and explanations are wearing very thin, there comes a point when more and more people say this is enough.

In my opinion that point has been coming for a little while.

What that Villa game that was over 2 fucking years ago?

People would have been saying exactly the same back then. People say the same every time we have a few poor results, about how dissatisfaction is supposedly growing.

It's bollocks. The fact that you've had to go back over 2 years to cite an example of real fan dissatisfaction says it all.

[armchair]

Heard Fergie saying that in all his years in football hes only ever had 4 "world class" players.....
Giggs, Scholes, Cantona and Ronaldo.

Heard Wenger saying that Ospina is "world class" and before that Almunia. Almunia fs.

[g88ner]

My feelings is that we are, in terms of size, history and wealth one of THE elite clubs in world football - we should in my opinion, be able to go in and pick off all bar the very elite players in world football. Obviously the top players in barca and real Madrid wont leave them to come and join a club that hasn't won a league in almost 12 years, but there are top players playing in other big clubs in Europe that we could buy if we just showed some strength and ambition in the transfer market - it saddens me that WE continue to belittle ourselves in the transfer market, and always show just enough ambition to stay where we are and players and agents recognise us as a club that is not going to return to it's glory days anytime soon

Regarding the eyes rolling on the signings of sanchez and ozil, my eye rolling is meant as a mock of the theory that we are now going all out to buy elite players again and that le cock has changed his approach - I am delighted with the signings and believe that had we got a proper manager in place we would have seen their elite quality shine through on a much more consistant basis. However lets not claim that their signings indicate a change in philosophy cos that is nowhere near accurate

Fair enough. I'll try and remember your answer this time because I've asked and you've answered before

I do believe there's now a willingness to sign top players for big money like we did in the 2 previous summers with Ozil and Sanchez, but there's clearly a patient "wait and see" approach to recruitment rather than being pro-active and that looks like it's cost us this summer as we waited, waited, waited and then realised there were no players left to wait for

This should be where Gazidis and Law come in though. The club is dysfunctional.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Say what you like about Jose - and yes the man is an absolute c***, the Carneiro incident was a Disgrace eg - but it's basically taken Mourinho to put the question out there to the wider public that any half-sensible Arsenal fan has been asking for 11 years: just Who, if anyone, is Le Tool accountable to?
Make no mistake, if Jose hasbt put it out there, the press woulda carried on massaging Wenker's balls, comparing him to a Fergie-esque Elder Statesman. Nope.
That journo question today is THE best question I've ever heard any journo ask him (closely followed by Jacqui Oatley. Another classless moment from Le Cretin).

"Who are you accountable to, and if you're accountable to nobody is that a healthy situation?"

His tetchy response is absolute proof if any were needed that he knows the Dictator is finally having his rule openly challenged!
Don't get me wrong after wins v Sunderland, Bournemouth and Villa you'll get Paddy Barclay, John Cross and the spunk-crust licking Emirates sheep lining up to praise him and Ozil...

But this is superb. At LAST

Hope you watched that cunnt moanhinho after they got smashed by the saints, talk about making excuses, he's blamed everyone but himself.

And he is beggin for his job

And he has also just said that after a bad start a top 4 is a decent end to the season, no different to Wenger then

THE LONGEST rant from a manager I've ever seen, this is piss funny

[mcdowell42]

Jose is Scum ,his admirers well no different

[Ikechukwu1]

Say what you like about Jose - and yes the man is an absolute c***, the Carneiro incident was a Disgrace eg - but it's basically taken Mourinho to put the question out there to the wider public that any half-sensible Arsenal fan has been asking for 11 years: just Who, if anyone, is Le Tool accountable to?
Make no mistake, if Jose hasbt put it out there, the press woulda carried on massaging Wenker's balls, comparing him to a Fergie-esque Elder Statesman. Nope.
That journo question today is THE best question I've ever heard any journo ask him (closely followed by Jacqui Oatley. Another classless moment from Le Cretin).

"Who are you accountable to, and if you're accountable to nobody is that a healthy situation?"

His tetchy response is absolute proof if any were needed that he knows the Dictator is finally having his rule openly challenged!
Don't get me wrong after wins v Sunderland, Bournemouth and Villa you'll get Paddy Barclay, John Cross and the spunk-crust licking Emirates sheep lining up to praise him and Ozil...

But this is superb. At LAST

Hope you watched that cunnt moanhinho after they got smashed by the saints, talk about making excuses, he's blamed everyone but himself.

And he is beggin for his job

And he has also just said that after a bad start a top 4 is a decent end to the season, no different to Wenger then

THE LONGEST rant from a manager I've ever seen, this is piss funny

Good to see the height of your ambition is showing off about another team's result, when we haven't even played.

I'll just remind of you of the PL teams who've taken points off Jose this season:

Swansea
Newcastle
Citeh
Southampton
Palace
Everton

Then there's the small matter that every team has banged in goals against Chelski this season. Virtually every PL team has scored at least twice against them, even Pulis.

Only one team and manager has lost miserably, without managing a single goal against them.
Your celebrations tonight after we lost at home to Olympiakos and are certainly going to be dropping points tomorrow, is so classically small-time

[mcdowell42]

Poor chav can't take his hero being slated,true colours coming out now

[OneBardGooner]

Poor chav can't take his hero being slated,true colours coming out now

[Leyton Gooner]

If a so called Gooner can't put our problems aside for one minute and enjoy that utter scumbag *word censored* and his scumbag club's meltdown then there's something wrong

[GoonerMuzz]

It's funny how two Managers who appear to really dislike each other can use the same excuses when things aren't going well, maybe their personalities aren't so dissimilar

Lovely to see that Chav squirming like a little bitch because he knows his job is on the line

[Blade]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadio_Man%C3%A9

No value in the market?

Maybe his 35 scouts 24/7 worldwide should look at Austrian [yes Austrian] league for talent.

[p206ab]

'I will retire, don't worry,' said Wenger, having celebrated 19 years at the club last week in familiar fashion, defending his team after a calamitous defensive display.


..well there is hope, I thought he never would.

[EastupperA]

I'm new to this forum, but had a season ticket for over 30 years until a couple of years ago. I would make the following observations.

1 wenger and his coaching staff ruin world class players such as arshavin, ozil etc by playing them out of position

2 wengers transfer policy / scouting has been terrible ever since football became more global.

3 wenger is myopic and and lacks self awareness. In the past week he has embarrassed himself and the club over the OSpina situation

The bottom line is we should be challenging last 4/8 in the champions league each year and challenging for the title with the level of financial capabilities the club has. I watched SOuthamptom yesterday and their desire, speed of play and technical level was superb - contrast that to our performance against Chelsea. This is down to massive mis management over the last decade in all areas of the club ex commercial.