Mesut Ozil

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Should we sell Ozil?

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Re: Mesut Ozil - should we sell?

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DB10GOONER wrote:. Okay. Ozil doesn't run around enough. You are right. He's shit. Can we sell him and maybe ask Robbie Savage and his ludicrous hairstyle to come out of retirement and run around a lot for us?

:barscarf:

:suicide:

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


sell the lazy cun-t :barscarf: :barscarf:

couldnt beat the derby county reserve full back last night :D :D

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REB wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:. Okay. Ozil doesn't run around enough. You are right. He's shit. Can we sell him and maybe ask Robbie Savage and his ludicrous hairstyle to come out of retirement and run around a lot for us?

:barscarf:

:suicide:

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


sell the lazy cun-t :barscarf: :barscarf:

couldnt beat the derby county reserve full back last night :D :D
And to think Joey Barton was available but Arsene didn't sign him, preferring a World Cup winner who has the subtly of Bergkamp but not the engine of Stevie Me.. WENGER OUT..

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I imagine that Ozil had a great game cos he was surrounded by world cup winners.

No? oh.... :roll: :lol:

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You guys who think any criticism of Ozil is some king of myopia should hear what Germans think about Ozil.

They don't slate him but they are much more realistic about his shortcomings.

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northbank123 wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:Wow. Did IQ's just drop on here? :lol: :lol: We are now judging Ozil on one Interlull game that the German's really didn't need to win? A game where every single German player had a bit of a stroll? Right. Okay. Ozil doesn't run around enough. You are right. He's shit. Can we sell him and maybe ask Robbie Savage and his ludicrous hairstyle to come out of retirement and run around a lot for us?

:barscarf:

:suicide:
Quite clearly not the case is it though mate, you're normally one of the quickest to pick somebody up for jumping on a strawman argument like this. Nobody is judging him on one international game against Ireland and you know that's bollocks.

It was a flippant comment because it's a little tiring/frustrating hearing everybody say "if only he had better players around him" all the time as an absolute excuse. Frankly I don't give a shit whether players perform for their country (beyond any impact on their form for us) but whenever I've seen Ozil play for Germany - including when they dominated the World Cup - he doesn't look like the same player as before so to me there's clearly more to his underperformance than the players around him.
Jesus mate, are you getting precious?! :lol: :roll: :wink:

I WAS BEING SARCASTIC AND DELIBRATELY OBTUSE! Also, it wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed in general at some of the silly comments that he's shit because he doesn't run around enough by people that can't see quality unless it's running like a lunatic and scoring 4 screamers every game... :roll: :lol: which doesn't happen out here in the real world.

Personally I sit in the middle a bit regarding Ozil. I agree he is world class and has ability / vision / class beyond most at Arsenal. I also agree with those that question his consistency and workrate (to a lesser extent). I firmly believe though if he did have another couple of really top players around him (particularly a couple of savvy strkers) and we played him as the number 10 in a 4-4-2 (and variations thereof) we would get the best from him. If Wenger sticks with the system as is and the constant juggling of MF's in and out of the centre we simply won't see the best of Ozil (and a few others) ever. :|

You precious bitch. :D :wink: :wink:

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Yep - cos there are only 2 options aren't there. Either be incredibly talented and lazy or a clogger like Lee Cattermole or Robbie Savage.

Which of the 2 categories does Alexis fit into then? Aguero? Rooney? Suarez?

FFS - IT IS POSSIBLE TO BE TALENTED AND ALSO PUT IN A BIT OF BLOODY EFFORT

As for Robbie Savage - undoubtedly in the top 5 c.unts ever to take to a football field.....in fact wouldn't be far behind Teddy Wanker and Cashley A Hole in the ultimate c.unt list

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SteveO 35 wrote:Yep - cos there are only 2 options aren't there. Either be incredibly talented and lazy or a clogger like Lee Cattermole or Robbie Savage.

Which of the 2 categories does Alexis fit into then? Aguero? Rooney? Suarez?

FFS - IT IS POSSIBLE TO BE TALENTED AND ALSO PUT IN A BIT OF BLOODY EFFORT

As for Robbie Savage - undoubtedly in the top 5 c.unts ever to take to a football field.....in fact wouldn't be far behind Teddy Wanker and Cashley A Hole in the ultimate c.unt list
:high5:

Savage has got a book out...a few snippets here :coffeespit:


http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... -blackburn


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SteveO 35 wrote:Yep - cos there are only 2 options aren't there. Either be incredibly talented and lazy or a clogger like Lee Cattermole or Robbie Savage.

Which of the 2 categories does Alexis fit into then? Aguero? Rooney? Suarez?

FFS - IT IS POSSIBLE TO BE TALENTED AND ALSO PUT IN A BIT OF BLOODY EFFORT

As for Robbie Savage - undoubtedly in the top 5 c.unts ever to take to a football field.....in fact wouldn't be far behind Teddy Wanker and Cashley A Hole in the ultimate c.unt list
Seeing as you are a spacker at quoting I'm assuming you are replying to me? And if not, then fuck you I'm replying as if you were! :lol: :wink:
Yep - cos there are only 2 options aren't there. Either be incredibly talented and lazy or a clogger like Lee Cattermole or Robbie Savage.
Which is exactly the point.... Some people on here are saying he's shit because he is (and I quote) "lazy" and doesn't run about alot. Some others (me included) are saying he's talented but certainly could put in more effort, but what some perceive as "lazy" doesn't preclude him being talented or make him shit. TBH if he was used correctly and it worked (not saying it deffo would, but I'd like to see it over the course of a season) then I could accept him not running around no problem whatsoever! :D

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DB10GOONER wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:Yep - cos there are only 2 options aren't there. Either be incredibly talented and lazy or a clogger like Lee Cattermole or Robbie Savage.

Which of the 2 categories does Alexis fit into then? Aguero? Rooney? Suarez?

FFS - IT IS POSSIBLE TO BE TALENTED AND ALSO PUT IN A BIT OF BLOODY EFFORT

As for Robbie Savage - undoubtedly in the top 5 c.unts ever to take to a football field.....in fact wouldn't be far behind Teddy Wanker and Cashley A Hole in the ultimate c.unt list
Seeing as you are a spacker at quoting I'm assuming you are replying to me? And if not, then fuck you I'm replying as if you were! :lol: :wink:
Yep - cos there are only 2 options aren't there. Either be incredibly talented and lazy or a clogger like Lee Cattermole or Robbie Savage.
Which is exactly the point.... Some people on here are saying he's shit because he is (and I quote) "lazy" and doesn't run about alot. Some others (me included) are saying he's talented but certainly could put in more effort, but what some perceive as "lazy" doesn't preclude him being talented or make him shit. TBH if he was used correctly and it worked (not saying it deffo would, but I'd like to see it over the course of a season) then I could accept him not running around no problem whatsoever! :D
Actually I noticed my stalker being quoted earlier using the lazy "he doesn't run around enough" argument. Its got nothing to do with aimlessly running around has it? Obviously in certain people's eyes (perhaps not yours) tracking back when playing in a wide midfield role is only allowed if you've got no talent whatsoever.....if you're talented and can pass the ball then have a free pass to do as you like and contribute absolutely sweet FA when your time is losing a big match

As I said in an earlier post - I think this is the way it will be with Ozil. Personally if we're playing at the Bridge or Bayern I wouldn't play him. Home to most PL teams if the team are doing well he'll have games where he is awesome.....can't see that cycle being broken any time soon

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DB10GOONER wrote:
northbank123 wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:Wow. Did IQ's just drop on here? :lol: :lol: We are now judging Ozil on one Interlull game that the German's really didn't need to win? A game where every single German player had a bit of a stroll? Right. Okay. Ozil doesn't run around enough. You are right. He's shit. Can we sell him and maybe ask Robbie Savage and his ludicrous hairstyle to come out of retirement and run around a lot for us?

:barscarf:

:suicide:
Quite clearly not the case is it though mate, you're normally one of the quickest to pick somebody up for jumping on a strawman argument like this. Nobody is judging him on one international game against Ireland and you know that's bollocks.

It was a flippant comment because it's a little tiring/frustrating hearing everybody say "if only he had better players around him" all the time as an absolute excuse. Frankly I don't give a shit whether players perform for their country (beyond any impact on their form for us) but whenever I've seen Ozil play for Germany - including when they dominated the World Cup - he doesn't look like the same player as before so to me there's clearly more to his underperformance than the players around him.
Jesus mate, are you getting precious?! :lol: :roll: :wink:

I WAS BEING SARCASTIC AND DELIBRATELY OBTUSE! Also, it wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed in general at some of the silly comments that he's shit because he doesn't run around enough by people that can't see quality unless it's running like a lunatic and scoring 4 screamers every game... :roll: :lol: which doesn't happen out here in the real world.

Personally I sit in the middle a bit regarding Ozil. I agree he is world class and has ability / vision / class beyond most at Arsenal. I also agree with those that question his consistency and workrate (to a lesser extent). I firmly believe though if he did have another couple of really top players around him (particularly a couple of savvy strkers) and we played him as the number 10 in a 4-4-2 (and variations thereof) we would get the best from him. If Wenger sticks with the system as is and the constant juggling of MF's in and out of the centre we simply won't see the best of Ozil (and a few others) ever. :|

You precious bitch. :D :wink: :wink:
Apology accepted mate :lol:

Personally I would accept if he wasn't quite performing at the top of his abilities - after all I don't think anybody argues that we have a formation or the type of players that get the best out of him. But for me he's just performing at a level so far below what he showed for Real Madrid and Germany previously.

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There is no doubting he's a quality player, looks world class at times, and has put in some excellent performances, but inexcusable how he just disappears in other games....not sure whats going on, seems to be disinterested in some games

Wenger does not help him playing him wide on the left wing in some games....but that aside bit of an enigma

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He's an architect, not a builder.

Therefore, I'm not sure he's cut out for English football with the physicality and pace of the game here.

His signing was compared to Bergkamp's, that seems laughable now.

Then again, he's never had a WC striker to work with.

Sanchez seems to be everything that Ozil isn't and I love Sanchez. A total Premiership player.
Redarmy wrote:There is no doubting he's a quality player, looks world class at times, and has put in some excellent performances, but inexcusable how he just disappears in other games....not sure whats going on, seems to be disinterested in some games

Wenger does not help him playing him wide on the left wing in some games....but that aside bit of an enigma
Totally agree.

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The Bergkamp comparison is interesting, because during The Master's time with us one of the most commonly aimed snipes at him was the way he could disappear for 20 minutes at a time in games.

Now, for the dullards on here, (and you know who you are) I'm not for one minute saying Ozil is anywhere near Bergkamp's level, so put your fucking dummies back in your mouths, bitches. :roll: :lol:

I think Sean has probably hit the nail on the head. It may be that Ozil just isn't cut out for the rough and tumble, the pace, and the (at times) gung-ho headless running of the PL. There are times when you see him looking about and it looks like he is thinking "what the fuck are these lads doing?".

Still, I think a more pragmatic manager with a decent grasp of tactics and formations would get more out of him than Arsene has. That's not to say he'd suddenly set the PL alight every game, but I just think the quality is there and we should be getting a better return. :|

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The answer is no.

The lad is world class, he may not have shown that consistently at Arsenal but his chance creation is second to none. The alternative is we sell him and the money goes in the Kroenke interest pot, never to be spent again.

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I remember the first few times I saw Brady. He seemed to float around the pitch, never sprinting, rarely covering back, rarely putting in any crunching tackles or showing any passion and it was only after a while that I realised just what he brought to the team.
I hope Ozil has the effect Chippy did, but I think the jury is still out.

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