THE WENGER THREAD

[armchair]

What about the old Michael Jackson one that was outside Fulham.......

Would we notice the difference ?

Tbh, I'd take the Jacko statue. Wonder if its "available" in 2017?

[Sean]

[armchair]

But hasnt Wenger qualified for the last 16 the most consecutive times without actually winning it? Thats better than actually winning it, yea?

[g88ner]

I think that just shows that it's not just about the quality of the manager because I don't personally believe Di Matteo has proved himself to be an elite coach.

You could also do a similar poster for players. Bergkamp has never won the CL but Phil Neville has.

I don't know who puts these posters together but they need to get out more.

[armchair]

Di-Matteo has won the CL. Wenger hasnt. Di-Matteo has had one shot at it, Wengers had what, 17 attempts? Id say give Di-Matteo 17 attempts at it and he'd do better than fukin zero wins....
That pic doesnt prove Di-Matteo is "elite" It does prove that Wenger is not though. Hes a big fat CL failure.

[armchair]

I think that just shows that it's not just about the quality of the manager because I don't personally believe Di Matteo has proved himself to be an elite coach.

You could also do a similar poster for players. Bergkamp has never won the CL but Phil Neville has.

I don't know who puts these posters together but they need to get out more.

You just cant compare managers and players mate. Your example is ridiculous.
George Best never won the World Cup but he is widely recognised as in the top 5 best players of all time. And yes DB10, an all time great never won the CL.
The pic proves that Wenger after 17 fukin attempts has failed miserably. The pic shows that Wenger is a failure not that the others are "elite"

[g88ner]

You just cant compare managers and players mate. Your example is ridiculous.
George Best never won the World Cup but he is widely recognised as in the top 5 best players of all time. And yes DB10, an all time great never won the CL.
The pic proves that Wenger after 17 fukin attempts has failed miserably. The pic shows that Wenger is a failure not that the others are "elite"

Fine, that's up to you but I don't think it's ridiculous at all. The point is, if you want to win the biggest honours, join the best teams! George Best couldn't do that at international level; which is exactly the point... he was held back by the fact the team he was in wasn't good enough.

Bergkamp was good enough to win it, but didn't win the CL because he chose to stay at Arsenal for 10 years instead of seeking glory and joining an elite club. Henry finally understood that and moved to Barca before it was too late.

Wenger, like Bergkamp, chose to stay at Arsenal. He should have joined an elite club when he had the chance. Not doing so has tarnished his reputation and impeded Arsenal's progress.

You have clubs that carry their manager to glory on a wave of shocks, luck and moments of unpredictable brilliance like Rafa at Liverpool and Di Matteo at Chelsea, but the surest way to get glory is position yourself at a club that has the players and resources to win it; that ain't Arsenal.

In fairness, fergie did it the most respectable way; building the team up over many years.

Arsenal, despite my bias, are not an elite club. Winning the CL would be amazing but unless we overhaul the way we operate, we'll have to get lucky if we're going to win the CL.

[armchair]

Mate, I was disputing your criticism of the pic and your example of Bergkamp.

The pic proves that after 17 attempts Wenger has failed not that Di-Matteo is "elite". Thats all.
And you trying to use Bergkamp, a player as an example to criticise the pic just doesnt make any sense at all. Thats it. No more, no less.

[g88ner]

Mate, I was disputing your criticism of the pic and your example of Bergkamp.

The pic proves that after 17 attempts Wenger has failed not that Di-Matteo is "elite". Thats all.
And you trying to use Bergkamp, a player as an example to criticise the pic just doesnt make any sense at all. Thats it. No more, no less.

see message above.

[armchair]

Mate, I was disputing your criticism of the pic and your example of Bergkamp.

The pic proves that after 17 attempts Wenger has failed not that Di-Matteo is "elite". Thats all.
And you trying to use Bergkamp, a player as an example to criticise the pic just doesnt make any sense at all. Thats it. No more, no less.

see message above.

I did mate. Rambles quite a bit tho and doesnt mention the pic......

[g88ner]

Mate, I was disputing your criticism of the pic and your example of Bergkamp.

The pic proves that after 17 attempts Wenger has failed not that Di-Matteo is "elite". Thats all.
And you trying to use Bergkamp, a player as an example to criticise the pic just doesnt make any sense at all. Thats it. No more, no less.

see message above.

I did mate. Rambles quite a bit tho.......

rude.

[Ikechukwu1]

Pep is elite.
Del Bosque is elite.
Fergie is elite.
Rafa is elite (despite my objections on him)
Lippi is elite.
Ancelotti is elite.
Hitzfeld is elite.

Di Matteo is an outlier.

Wenger is shite.

Arsenal have the resources to win the CL, so the money excuse won't wash. Not when you're getting thumped by Monaco, Deportivo, Valencia and PSV in the knockouts

The CL is not down to money and having the best players or Real Madrid's record would be better than 1 CL in the past 10 years!
Jose Mourinho won the CL with Porto, a team that knocked out much richer teams. When he did it again with Inter, they were 9th favourites to win it that year.

No excuses or distraction on Wenger please. He's a bona fide, specialist in European Failure. Full stop.
17 years, just one final, no wins. Pathetic and inexcusable.
And a reminder that in that time he's been knocked out by PSV, Monaco, Valencia (twice) and Deportivo.
Nothing to do with "having the best players and the best teams"

Arsenal's wage bill is higher than Bayern's and everyone in their CL group at £192m yet they only scraped through in 2nd, having lost once to every team in their group.

[g88ner]

Pep is elite.
Del Bosque is elite.
Fergie is elite.
Rafa is elite (despite my objections on him)
Lippi is elite.
Ancelotti is elite.
Hitzfeld is elite.

Di Matteo is an outlier.

Wenger is shite.

Arsenal have the resources to win the CL, so the money excuse won't wash. Not when you're getting thumped by Monaco, Deportivo, Valencia and PSV in the knockouts

The CL is not down to money and having the best players or Real Madrid's record would be better than 1 CL in the past 10 years!
Jose Mourinho won the CL with Porto, a team that knocked out much richer teams. When he did it again with Inter, they were 9th favourites to win it that year.

No excuses or distraction on Wenger please. He's a bona fide, specialist in European Failure. Full stop.
17 years, just one final, no wins. Pathetic and inexcusable.
And a reminder that in that time he's been knocked out by PSV, Monaco, Valencia (twice) and Deportivo.
Nothing to do with "having the best players and the best teams"

Arsenal's wage bill is higher than Bayern's and everyone in their CL group at £192m yet they only scraped through in 2nd, having lost once to every team in their group.

Preaching to the converted mate. Wenger is a specialist in failure.

I still don't think we're in the top bracket of clubs though so it would be a shock if we won the CL even with any of the other managers on that list. Unless their reputation and standing in the game brought better players to Arsenal.

[Redarmy]

One win (albeit a very impressive one) against Olympiacos and we get instant comparisons to the big name manager who is currently struggling the most i.e. LVG

Of course Ancelotti wouldn't be a valid comparison - a serial CL and domestic league winner. Not a chance he could have masterminded a win against mighty Olympiacos.

Walcott , in raptures after the game, was saying neither Zenit, Barca, Real, Wolfsburg..... would want to draw us after witnessing that performance. That's how deep the delusions run at the club.

Walcott always trys to say the right things, sure he is coached in what to say, always full of self promotion and confidence, shame thats not always visible on the pitch where it matters

[Redarmy]

Dont think so redarmy. Maybe you should explain yourself better. You were backing up Laughinggooner who wants Wenger to get another contract and you posted that we may get a worse manager than Wenger. (Completely omitting that Wenger is and has been shit for a decade and that we could have been more successful under a replacement.

Not really stupid at all, valid point who will we replace him with, it is possible to get worse,and its our board would not put it past them...VAN GAAL is another ego mad tosser, not unlike MR wenger

Then, conveniently you decide that we should replace him, forgetting that its also quite possible that Pep or Ancellotti may not be successful with us. Make your mind up ffs.

You are misunderstanding above, or just sensationalising....just saying there is a lot of dross out there posing as managers, most are ego maniacs...they have to get this appointment right.........

I would like to see Wenger move on and replaced by Ancelotti or Guardiola or someone of that statue and gravitas, not sure if that will happen though

As we all know only one man decides when Wenger goes.....Mr Wenger

Ok mate, quite simple, i want the right choice for the next manger it is vital, no doubt Wenger has to move on thats not even a question

I stated the importance of getting it right, there are so many frauds out there....yes could be worse than Wenger at least we try to play decent football....just to confirm, Wenger has to go....get the right man in