THE WENGER THREAD

[arseofacrow]

Ike's on fire again

ONE IKECHUCKWU......THERE'S ONLY ONE IKECHUCKWU

Sorry McD

Its just that he reminds me of someone I once knew

[mcdowell42]

Ike's on fire again

ONE IKECHUCKWU......THERE'S ONLY ONE IKECHUCKWU

Sorry McD

Its just that he reminds me of someone I once knew

Ah right,the kind that doesn't post on a match thread when we win .

[Sean]

I found a photoshop of TOF from the infamous title bottling of 2011. It sums up what has happened to him since DD was forced out of the club. A touch of the Clough/Taylor-breakup repeating itself sadly. Clough was never the same after that, just as TOF was never the same.

507 days to go

[OneBardGooner]

Ike's on fire again

ONE IKECHUCKWU......THERE'S ONLY ONE IKECHUCKWU

Sorry McD

Its just that he reminds me of someone I once knew

You mean tunde don't you!?

[subtleasaheadbutt]

I have to add this guys.....

I'm not winding anyone up here, what I am asking is "how would you spend the money and how can we overcome these super rich clubs?"

To me football is not the same anymore, these players are on astronomical wages and out of touch with the common guy (fuck me they are out of touch with the middle class guy), now I grew up a common guy and first went to watch The Arsenal in 1979 with a supporters club with a youth football team and I felt a part of it.

Likewise when I first took my son to Highbury he felt the same, obviously we have since been to the Emirates and thoroughly enjoy it but it's not the same.

This is a whole new game and I'm afraid most of you guys aren't accepting it, arsenal in the past have been the richest club (the richest club in the world in the 1930's) but we aren't anymore, in fact we are quite a way down and that is why we have to reevaluate our expectations.

Going on from here (and I have had a shit load of wine now) I can't believe the reaction (could have said abuse but am being generous) I have had, I have never wummed you lot, in fact I have taken hours of my time to replenish you cunnts with a shit load of jokes, (yeah yeah a shit load of shit jokes). Got to say I'm disappointed.

To summarise, I fukin know Wenger needs to go BUT who the fuck with, is Stan going to bankroll the next manager and who should we buy in now to make the difference that we can realistically afford.

You can't have it all your way on here.....

AKB Maths in action!
So errrr....a player's value is factored in as wages influence - even though the club clearly stated £70m was available for transfers excluding wages. Wow the Arsenal wage bill is just 2m less than Chelski's but yes, how on earth do we compete with these super-wealthy clubs eh?

I suppose the alternative question is...
Considering it's impossible to compete with clubs richer than you, how have Arsenal been battered in Europe by Bayern, who have a lower wage bill?
How have Bayern won the CL more than twice in the last decade with a lower wage bill?
How did Klopp win back to back league titles with a wage bill lower than Norwich?
How comes the richest club doesn't win the CL each year?
How oh earth can the Spuds be anywhere near us in the league despite spending 50% less on wages?

Diego Simeone seems to know how to be successful without having fuss anywhere near a Liverpool or West Ham FFS.
Yet, "Genius" Arsene can only succeed against the rich clubs by having as much money as them basically? Interesting.

And here I was thinking managers line Graham, like Hitzfeld, like Mourinho (see Porto and Inter), like Fergie etc were all outstanding managers due to their ability to reinvent themselves, scout better, use evolving tactics etc etc....naaah sod that you can only compete with bags of cash! And yes, poor old Arsenal can't possibly be expected to measure up with that £200m wage bill


So AKB dictionary bingo

AW has 200m cash in the bank = errrr...it's not actually much LOL
AW has 200m wage bill = how can he compete

ROFL

Hi Ikechukwu1
BBC are carrying an article about club's wage bills for the year until June 2015 (i.e. last season).

Chelsea were top with £215.6m, second ManU £203m, third Man City £193.8m then us on £192m.
So where are your figures from?
Ps. Just interested no need to be rude or anything

[Ikechukwu1]

I have to add this guys.....

I'm not winding anyone up here, what I am asking is "how would you spend the money and how can we overcome these super rich clubs?"

To me football is not the same anymore, these players are on astronomical wages and out of touch with the common guy (fuck me they are out of touch with the middle class guy), now I grew up a common guy and first went to watch The Arsenal in 1979 with a supporters club with a youth football team and I felt a part of it.

Likewise when I first took my son to Highbury he felt the same, obviously we have since been to the Emirates and thoroughly enjoy it but it's not the same.

This is a whole new game and I'm afraid most of you guys aren't accepting it, arsenal in the past have been the richest club (the richest club in the world in the 1930's) but we aren't anymore, in fact we are quite a way down and that is why we have to reevaluate our expectations.

Going on from here (and I have had a shit load of wine now) I can't believe the reaction (could have said abuse but am being generous) I have had, I have never wummed you lot, in fact I have taken hours of my time to replenish you cunnts with a shit load of jokes, (yeah yeah a shit load of shit jokes). Got to say I'm disappointed.

To summarise, I fukin know Wenger needs to go BUT who the fuck with, is Stan going to bankroll the next manager and who should we buy in now to make the difference that we can realistically afford.

You can't have it all your way on here.....

AKB Maths in action!
So errrr....a player's value is factored in as wages influence - even though the club clearly stated £70m was available for transfers excluding wages. Wow the Arsenal wage bill is just 2m less than Chelski's but yes, how on earth do we compete with these super-wealthy clubs eh?

I suppose the alternative question is...
Considering it's impossible to compete with clubs richer than you, how have Arsenal been battered in Europe by Bayern, who have a lower wage bill?
How have Bayern won the CL more than twice in the last decade with a lower wage bill?
How did Klopp win back to back league titles with a wage bill lower than Norwich?
How comes the richest club doesn't win the CL each year?
How oh earth can the Spuds be anywhere near us in the league despite spending 50% less on wages?

Diego Simeone seems to know how to be successful without having fuss anywhere near a Liverpool or West Ham FFS.
Yet, "Genius" Arsene can only succeed against the rich clubs by having as much money as them basically? Interesting.

And here I was thinking managers line Graham, like Hitzfeld, like Mourinho (see Porto and Inter), like Fergie etc were all outstanding managers due to their ability to reinvent themselves, scout better, use evolving tactics etc etc....naaah sod that you can only compete with bags of cash! And yes, poor old Arsenal can't possibly be expected to measure up with that £200m wage bill


So AKB dictionary bingo

AW has 200m cash in the bank = errrr...it's not actually much LOL
AW has 200m wage bill = how can he compete

ROFL

Hi Ikechukwu1
BBC are carrying an article about club's wage bills for the year until June 2015 (i.e. last season).

Chelsea were top with £215.6m, second ManU £203m, third Man City £193.8m then us on £192m.
So where are your figures from?
Ps. Just interested no need to be rude or anything

Hi. You're bang on its 192 - the quoted figure I rounded up to 200 for expediency's sake. So 192 is the dead on figure - 200 is just a vague one fit convo's sake. The point as it stands, is that we spend virtually the exact same on wages as Citeh! Yet where they have Aguero, we have Le Chapman. Wher they have Kompany we have Mertesacker, where they have Fernandinho etc etc....the "we can't compete" argument from AKBs is farcical when you analyse the numbers.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

I have to add this guys.....

I'm not winding anyone up here, what I am asking is "how would you spend the money and how can we overcome these super rich clubs?"

To me football is not the same anymore, these players are on astronomical wages and out of touch with the common guy (fuck me they are out of touch with the middle class guy), now I grew up a common guy and first went to watch The Arsenal in 1979 with a supporters club with a youth football team and I felt a part of it.

Likewise when I first took my son to Highbury he felt the same, obviously we have since been to the Emirates and thoroughly enjoy it but it's not the same.

This is a whole new game and I'm afraid most of you guys aren't accepting it, arsenal in the past have been the richest club (the richest club in the world in the 1930's) but we aren't anymore, in fact we are quite a way down and that is why we have to reevaluate our expectations.

Going on from here (and I have had a shit load of wine now) I can't believe the reaction (could have said abuse but am being generous) I have had, I have never wummed you lot, in fact I have taken hours of my time to replenish you cunnts with a shit load of jokes, (yeah yeah a shit load of shit jokes). Got to say I'm disappointed.

To summarise, I fukin know Wenger needs to go BUT who the fuck with, is Stan going to bankroll the next manager and who should we buy in now to make the difference that we can realistically afford.

You can't have it all your way on here.....

AKB Maths in action!
So errrr....a player's value is factored in as wages influence - even though the club clearly stated £70m was available for transfers excluding wages. Wow the Arsenal wage bill is just 2m less than Chelski's but yes, how on earth do we compete with these super-wealthy clubs eh?

I suppose the alternative question is...
Considering it's impossible to compete with clubs richer than you, how have Arsenal been battered in Europe by Bayern, who have a lower wage bill?
How have Bayern won the CL more than twice in the last decade with a lower wage bill?
How did Klopp win back to back league titles with a wage bill lower than Norwich?
How comes the richest club doesn't win the CL each year?
How oh earth can the Spuds be anywhere near us in the league despite spending 50% less on wages?

Diego Simeone seems to know how to be successful without having fuss anywhere near a Liverpool or West Ham FFS.
Yet, "Genius" Arsene can only succeed against the rich clubs by having as much money as them basically? Interesting.

And here I was thinking managers line Graham, like Hitzfeld, like Mourinho (see Porto and Inter), like Fergie etc were all outstanding managers due to their ability to reinvent themselves, scout better, use evolving tactics etc etc....naaah sod that you can only compete with bags of cash! And yes, poor old Arsenal can't possibly be expected to measure up with that £200m wage bill


So AKB dictionary bingo

AW has 200m cash in the bank = errrr...it's not actually much LOL
AW has 200m wage bill = how can he compete

ROFL

Hi Ikechukwu1
BBC are carrying an article about club's wage bills for the year until June 2015 (i.e. last season).

Chelsea were top with £215.6m, second ManU £203m, third Man City £193.8m then us on £192m.
So where are your figures from?
Ps. Just interested no need to be rude or anything

Brilliant, proves my point exactly, if Wenger comes fourth then that is where we are in wage relation in the league, if he comes first then it would be a big over achievement, third even would be over achieving.

I'm glad someone has called bullshit to ikatchagoogoos random figure plucking

[Ikechukwu1]

Yes of course. 3rd is overachievement
Following that "logic" Pellegrini and Citeh have been HUGE overachievers for some time now. Why therefore do AKBs not give them credit and keep blabbering on about "oil money"?!
So is Brendan Rodgers a genius for almost winning a title then?
And if you spend £1m less than another club does that mean you have to get outperformed by them every year? You''re absolutely proved correct, sure. Spending about the same as Citeh on wages means Arsenal should have gone over a decade without a league title does it? Similarly, you've also proved that Bayern spending less on wages means we should lose 5-1 to them. And of course, football has always been as simple as wage bill directly determining league position - if that's the case why even bother sending teams out on the pitch? And surely Wenger is actually redundant as a manager since he can't effect anything superior, and Arsenal's position is predetermined every year - right? We know we can't finish above 4th, what a great source of hope Arsene is! Also, spending the 4th most on wages means you can't finish above 4th. Which has proved why Simeone managed it in Spain, why Barca continue to win everything despite spending less on wages than Real...it's also proved that with that wage bill, Wenger was justified in getting slammed in the CL by Valencia, PSV, Depor etc...and also why the highest wage bill didn't win the group

Absolutely love the AKB bingo. Apparently you're not allowed to break a self-imposed glass ceiling! How did our Genius fail to beat Norwich, Zagreb, Olympiakos, Liverpool, Bayern, and get destroyed at Southampton despite having higher wage bill than all those teams?


Better go give Arsene that sponge-bath, don't want the water getting cold now...

[SteveO 35]

Yes of course. 3rd is overachievement
Following that "logic" Pellegrini and Citeh have been HUGE overachievers for some time now. Why therefore do AKBs not give them credit and keep blabbering on about "oil money"?!
So is Brendan Rodgers a genius for almost winning a title then?
And if you spend £1m less than another club does that mean you have to get outperformed by them every year? You''re absolutely proved correct, sure. Spending about the same as Citeh on wages means Arsenal should have gone over a decade without a league title does it? Similarly, you've also proved that Bayern spending less on wages means we should lose 5-1 to them. And of course, football has always been as simple as wage bill directly determining league position - if that's the case why even bother sending teams out on the pitch? And surely Wenger is actually redundant as a manager since he can't effect anything superior, and Arsenal's position is predetermined every year - right? We know we can't finish above 4th, what a great source of hope Arsene is! Also, spending the 4th most on wages means you can't finish above 4th. Which has proved why Simeone managed it in Spain, why Barca continue to win everything despite spending less on wages than Real...it's also proved that with that wage bill, Wenger was justified in getting slammed in the CL by Valencia, PSV, Depor etc...and also why the highest wage bill didn't win the group

Absolutely love the AKB bingo. Apparently you're not allowed to break a self-imposed glass ceiling! How did our Genius fail to beat Norwich, Zagreb, Olympiakos, Liverpool, Bayern, and get destroyed at Southampton despite having higher wage bill than all those teams?


Better go give Arsene that sponge-bath, don't want the water getting cold now...

That's up there with the 'spunk trumpets' of Red Action and "Arsene's little helper" Kiwomya

[augie]

Lefty if you feel that the wage bill should be seen as an indicator of what expectations are placed on the club, do you then you think that the manager should likewise be judged on the fact that he was (until recently) the highest paid manager in world football and has continued to be outperformed by managers on a vastly smaller wage ??
Anyway I have to say that I don't support the notion that comparing clubs wage bills should be viewed as an indicator of where they should finish. I prefer to look at the individual wages rather than the collective - if we look at the likes of wally and giroud (and bendtner, almunia etc before them) then I would argue that they are over-paid, but when you look at players like ozil and sanchez, then you would argue that they are worth whatever wage shrek is getting at manure

[armchair]

Poor lefty

"Im not an akb but.......
Im just sponging Arsene down......"
*shudder*

[herbert]

Of course the oil money doesnt matter ,chelsea and city have always been big hitters
and the akbs are deluded

[herbert]

I have to add this guys.....

I'm not winding anyone up here, what I am asking is "how would you spend the money and how can we overcome these super rich clubs?"

To me football is not the same anymore, these players are on astronomical wages and out of touch with the common guy (fuck me they are out of touch with the middle class guy), now I grew up a common guy and first went to watch The Arsenal in 1979 with a supporters club with a youth football team and I felt a part of it.

Likewise when I first took my son to Highbury he felt the same, obviously we have since been to the Emirates and thoroughly enjoy it but it's not the same.

This is a whole new game and I'm afraid most of you guys aren't accepting it, arsenal in the past have been the richest club (the richest club in the world in the 1930's) but we aren't anymore, in fact we are quite a way down and that is why we have to reevaluate our expectations.

Going on from here (and I have had a shit load of wine now) I can't believe the reaction (could have said abuse but am being generous) I have had, I have never wummed you lot, in fact I have taken hours of my time to replenish you cunnts with a shit load of jokes, (yeah yeah a shit load of shit jokes). Got to say I'm disappointed.

To summarise, I fukin know Wenger needs to go BUT who the fuck with, is Stan going to bankroll the next manager and who should we buy in now to make the difference that we can realistically afford.

You can't have it all your way on here.....

AKB Maths in action!
So errrr....a player's value is factored in as wages influence - even though the club clearly stated £70m was available for transfers excluding wages. Wow the Arsenal wage bill is just 2m less than Chelski's but yes, how on earth do we compete with these super-wealthy clubs eh?

I suppose the alternative question is...
Considering it's impossible to compete with clubs richer than you, how have Arsenal been battered in Europe by Bayern, who have a lower wage bill?
How have Bayern won the CL more than twice in the last decade with a lower wage bill?
How did Klopp win back to back league titles with a wage bill lower than Norwich?
How comes the richest club doesn't win the CL each year?
How oh earth can the Spuds be anywhere near us in the league despite spending 50% less on wages?

Diego Simeone seems to know how to be successful without having fuss anywhere near a Liverpool or West Ham FFS.
Yet, "Genius" Arsene can only succeed against the rich clubs by having as much money as them basically? Interesting.

And here I was thinking managers line Graham, like Hitzfeld, like Mourinho (see Porto and Inter), like Fergie etc were all outstanding managers due to their ability to reinvent themselves, scout better, use evolving tactics etc etc....naaah sod that you can only compete with bags of cash! And yes, poor old Arsenal can't possibly be expected to measure up with that £200m wage bill


So AKB dictionary bingo

AW has 200m cash in the bank = errrr...it's not actually much LOL
AW has 200m wage bill = how can he compete

ROFL

Hi Ikechukwu1
BBC are carrying an article about club's wage bills for the year until June 2015 (i.e. last season).

Chelsea were top with £215.6m, second ManU £203m, third Man City £193.8m then us on £192m.
So where are your figures from?
Ps. Just interested no need to be rude or anything

Hi. You're bang on its 192 - the quoted figure I rounded up to 200 for expediency's sake. So 192 is the dead on figure - 200 is just a vague one fit convo's sake. The point as it stands, is that we spend virtually the exact same on wages as Citeh! Yet where they have Aguero, we have Le Chapman. Wher they have Kompany we have Mertesacker, where they have Fernandinho etc etc....the "we can't compete" argument from AKBs is farcical when you analyse the numbers.

here is a clue for you

# Nett Spend 03/04 - 13/14 Purchased Gross Sold Nett Per Season

1 Manchester City £947,920,000 £269,950,000 £677,970,000 £52,151,538
2 Chelsea £992,459,000 £390,650,000 £601,809,000 £46,293,000
3 Manchester United £697,050,000 £284,150,000 £412,900,000 £31,761,538
4 Liverpool £690,780,000 £426,300,000 £264,480,000 £20,344,615
5 Aston Villa £297,750,000 £158,825,000 £138,925,000 £10,686,538
6 Sunderland £256,010,000 £141,500,000 £114,510,000 £8,808,462
10 West Ham £216,330,000 £119,725,000 £96,605,000 £7,431,154
7 Arsenal £400,675,000 £309,770,000 £90,905,000 £6,992,692
8 Stoke City £127,820,000 £37,595,000 £90,225,000 £6,940,385
9 Tottenham £555,050,000 £465,600,000 £89,450,000 £6,880,769
11 West Bromwich Albion £144,855,000 £71,199,000 £73,656,000 £5,665,846
12 Newcastle £272,600,000 £215,550,000 £57,050,000 £4,388,462
15 Lieicester £71,370,000 £16,965,000 £54,405,000 £4,185,000
14 Everton £215,250,500 £163,916,000 £51,334,500 £3,948,808
15 Crystal Palace £90,735,000 £49,400,000 £41,335,000 £3,179,615
17 Norwich City £80,825,000 £43,210,000 £37,615,000 £2,893,462
16 Bournemouth £30,570,000 £4,740,000 £25,830,000 £1,986,923
18 Swansea £83,795,000 £63,625,000 £20,170,000 £1,551,538
19 Southampton £198,765,000 £191,000,000 £7,765,000 £597,308
20 Watford £35,640,000 £44,395,000 -£8,755,000 -£673,462

[Ikechukwu1]

Of course the oil money doesnt matter ,chelsea and city have always been big hitters
and the akbs are deluded

Absolutely. I think it's that massive cheque that saw us thrashed 4-0 at Southampton
Oil money also responsible for 8-2 at OT, 4-4 at Newcastle, 5-1 at Anfield (did they find oil on the Mersey?) and of course, money is why teams like Porto, Bayern, Inter etc have all won the CL(despite spending less on wages).
I do wonder how Ferguson won all them league titles though hmmm....,

As Chelski's league position evidences this season, you definitely can't compete with oil money! Forget man-management, tactics, team selection, superior scouting etc...and yes, completely disregard that our wage bill is virtually identical to Citeh's

Lefty has finished giving Arsene the bath, could you please prepare the essential oils for his back rub?

[herbert]

Of course the oil money doesnt matter ,chelsea and city have always been big hitters
and the akbs are deluded

Absolutely. I think it's that massive cheque that saw us thrashed 4-0 at Southampton
Oil money also responsible for 8-2 at OT, 4-4 at Newcastle, 5-1 at Anfield (did they find oil on the Mersey?) and of course, money is why teams like Porto, Bayern, Inter etc have all won the CL(despite spending less on wages).
I do wonder how Ferguson won all them league titles though hmmm....,

As Chelski's league position evidences this season, you definitely can't compete with oil money! Forget man-management, tactics, team selection, superior scouting etc...and yes, completely disregard that our wage bill is virtually identical to Citeh's

Lefty has finished giving Arsene the bath, could you please prepare the essential oils for his back rub?

only if you promise to stop playing football manager and get back to supporting your team