THE WENGER THREAD

[Ikechukwu1]

Dear Herbert,

If you had the foggiest idea about basic numbers, you would know that the "net spend" argument is an argument for erm...
Morons. It was discredited some time ago after those deluded Scousers continued to elevate Rafa as some sort of God, ignoring the massive wages he was paying absolute dross (Luis Garcia, Antonio Nunez, Paletta, Voronin - all shite on huge wages. Sound familiar?)
Many books have been written about this (sadly there aren't enough pictures in them, just words and numbers).
The general consensus is that you can look at transfer spends, but wages are the determinant factor.

As an example, Villa, bottom of the table, have spent more on a striker than Arsenal ever have.
Cumulatively, Stoke have spent more on transfers than Everton etc
Liverpool have spent far more on transfers last summer etc.

None of this matters. Wages are the direct correlation with a club's capacity.
You've made a classic AKB attempt to completely change the terms of the truth by getting into "net spend"
Fail. Wenger underperforms and isn't good enough.

Please make sure Arsene has a proper rub-down before you gently exfoliate his buttocks.
Thanks.

[herbert]

facts only matter when there from you
city and chelsea have been winning the premier league since they have been spending more money than other teams
but it as nothing to do with there nett spend
ok

[Ikechukwu1]

facts only matter when there from you
city and chelsea have been winning the premier league since they have been spending more money than other teams
but it as nothing to do with there nett spend
ok

Did Alex Ferguson manage Citeh and Chelski when he was winning it?
And was Wenger winning it loads before they turned up?
Care to explain the CL failure?

Nah, I'll leave you to finish the waxing with Lefty. I hear Arsene likes listening to Enya once the romantic candles go on.

[herbert]

During those 8 yes 8 seasons without a trophy he acheived what was needed
he spends large on Ozil and wins a cup,he spends big on Sanchez and we become fa cup kings of all time
fast forward 8 months and we are top of the league.
now whether you like it or not that is enough for me to still be pro Wenger
defeats to southampton ,walsall,wrexham, are not going to change that

[herbert]

Dear Herbert,

If you had the foggiest idea about basic numbers, you would know that the "net spend" argument is an argument for erm...
Morons. It was discredited some time ago after those deluded Scousers continued to elevate Rafa as some sort of God, ignoring the massive wages he was paying absolute dross (Luis Garcia, Antonio Nunez, Paletta, Voronin - all shite on huge wages. Sound familiar?)
Many books have been written about this (sadly there aren't enough pictures in them, just words and numbers).
The general consensus is that you can look at transfer spends, but wages are the determinant factor.

As an example, Villa, bottom of the table, have spent more on a striker than Arsenal ever have.
Cumulatively, Stoke have spent more on transfers than Everton etc
Liverpool have spent far more on transfers last summer etc.

None of this matters. Wages are the direct correlation with a club's capacity.
You've made a classic AKB attempt to completely change the terms of the truth by getting into "net spend"
Fail. Wenger underperforms and isn't good enough.

Please make sure Arsene has a proper rub-down before you gently exfoliate his buttocks.
Thanks.

Unfortunetly when the difference in nett spend is as large as the chavs and shitty it counts ,you would have to be an idiot not to see that

[augie]

During those 8 yes 8 seasons without a trophy he acheived what was neededhe spends large on Ozil and wins a cup,he spends big on Sanchez and we become fa cup kings of all time
fast forward 8 months and we are top of the league.
now whether you like it or not that is enough for me to still be pro Wenger
defeats to southampton ,walsall,wrexham, are not going to change that

Have to say that I am getting fed up reading this petty bitch fight about wages
Saying all that, can you explain to me what the fu.ck that highlighted part means ?? Who defines what is needed ? Just because prof cock says that top 4 is enough, does that make it right ? Some of the wenker w.nkers are so quick to define top 4 as success and cite a lack of money, but losing a cup final to a relegated team isnt what I would call "doing what was needed"

[Gunner Rob]

During those 8 yes 8 seasons without a trophy he acheived what was needed
he spends large on Ozil and wins a cup,he spends big on Sanchez and we become fa cup kings of all time
fast forward 8 months and we are top of the league.
now whether you like it or not that is enough for me to still be pro Wenger
defeats to southampton ,walsall,wrexham, are not going to change that

first of all you are quite a rareity on here these days - a pro Wenger supporter
I thought that you had all become extinct

secondly yes we are top of the league and Wenger deserves some credit for that. I appreciate this.
however.....we have been there before in the last decade and if history teaches us anything it is that we are unlikely to be still at the top come the middle of May.
Remember 2013/14 - thats just 2 years ago. we were top back then too (we had 3 points more than now even)
we finished 4th

Remember 2009/10 - that memorable title charge (no me neither) anyway we had the same points total at this stage too then.
finished 3rd

basically Wenger isnt doing anything differently this season, neither do we have a better team, its just that the clubs around us are just not quite as good as before. we are still losing to Chelsea, and still having our annual November meltdown.
we even had a CL annihilation before Christmas this season! and dont forget that defeat to mighty Sheffield Wednesday

I hope you enjoy the coming month because if we are still top going into February I will be very surprised

[herbert]

During those 8 yes 8 seasons without a trophy he acheived what was neededhe spends large on Ozil and wins a cup,he spends big on Sanchez and we become fa cup kings of all time
fast forward 8 months and we are top of the league.
now whether you like it or not that is enough for me to still be pro Wenger
defeats to southampton ,walsall,wrexham, are not going to change that

Have to say that I am getting fed up reading this petty bitch fight about wages
Saying all that, can you explain to me what the fu.ck that highlighted part means ?? Who defines what is needed ? Just because prof cock says that top 4 is enough, does that make it right ? Some of the wenker w.nkers are so quick to define top 4 as success and cite a lack of money, but losing a cup final to a relegated team isnt what I would call "doing what was needed"

Losing is never good for football supporters but it happens
and we moved stadiums and that £25 million a season extra just might have helped us get to this point where we have brought 2 players for £40 mill and have a £200 million transfer fund that the tight fucker will hopefully spend soon

[northbank123]

Obviously the oil money is relevant and the likes of City and Chelsea wouldn't be where they are without it. But the suggestion that we just can't compete with it is absolutely pathetic. Who has won the most titles since Abramovich bought Chelsea? That's right - United. A club who we went toe-to-toe with from 1997-2005. Abramovich didn't make us chuck away the best left-back in Europe over £5,000 a week. Sheikh Mansour didn't make us hand out mega deals to players like Almunia, Denilson and co and make them regular starters. Neither of them have made Giroud our unchallenged lone striker for the last 4 seasons.

For years we were finishing neck-and-neck with Spurs even though their wage bill was £90m and ours was about £150m. You are never going to have complete efficiency but we were basically paying £150m wages for a squad worth £100m at most. £50m down the drain every year and we're still overspending on wages now - chucking around £130k/w on Giroud and £140k/w on Walcott and the like.

Ferguson saw what was happening and he knew he had to change to keep United competitive. How do you think Ferguson felt about having to pay players like Rooney 2-3 times what he was earning, having to bend to every whim of a pampered prick like Ronaldo and having to shell out at least £15m to sign effective squad players? The bloke would have hated doing those things but he did them because they were needed to keep United competitive in the modern game. Meanwhile Wenger still pays himself as well or better than anybody else, will not have any involved in the club who will not dance to his tune and still persists on trying to pick up bargains in France even though that's such a mainstream transfer market now that we are scrapping it out with the likes of Newcastle for these players.

Football has changed, Wenger hasn't. The bloke was a visionary when he joined the club in 1996 whilst the rest of English football was plodding along stuck in the 80s. Now it's 2015 and Wenger is still stuck in 1996.

[armchair]

This is what accountant Wenger has done. Reduced (some of) our expectations to believe top four and the CL money is success. We're all one here talking about money money money.
For the Wenger supporters it seems that net spend, profit, frugality, finances etc are all trophies. Trophies dont seem to be as important as money because Wenger says so.

It difficult to understand how any gooner could support this "philosophy"

What a time to be alive!

[herbert]

This is what accountant Wenger has done. Reduced (some of) our expectations to believe top four and the CL money is success. We're all one here talking about money money money.
For the Wenger supporters it seems that net spend, profit, frugality, finances etc are all trophies. Trophies dont seem to be as important as money because Wenger says so.

It difficult to understand how any gooner could support this "philosophy"

What a time to be alive!

The wobs on here are always using finance ,wage bill as a stick to beat Wenger with
Its difficult for me to understand how any football supporter who 7 months ago watched there team become fa cup kings of all time
and now having a decent season can be so fucking miserable

each to there own

[armchair]

I can guarantee you no-one would be talking about money at all if Wenger had been genuinely competing rather than prioritising finances above trophys. Wenger supporters are using a failed argument of lack of money to prop up a manager whose time has come and gone. For the life of me I dont understand why.

[herbert]

I can guarantee you no-one would be talking about money at all if Wenger had been genuinely competing rather than prioritising finances above trophys. Wenger supporters are using a failed argument of lack of money to prop up a manager whose time has come and gone. For the life of me I dont understand why.

Yep, its not like we had anything to prioritice financially

[northbank123]

I can guarantee you no-one would be talking about money at all if Wenger had been genuinely competing rather than prioritising finances above trophys. Wenger supporters are using a failed argument of lack of money to prop up a manager whose time has come and gone. For the life of me I dont understand why.

Yep, its not like we had anything to prioritice financially

Yes - we needed to stockpile the world's greatest cash reserves for no apparent reason.

There was obviously going to be belt-tightening in a few places in the two decades following the stadium move but I don't think that anybody was sold the idea of the new stadium and 'competing with Europe's elite' on the basis that we would be writing the next decade off.

Juventus opened a new stadium in 2011 and in the 4 seasons since then have won 4 titles, a domestic cup and reached the semis and final of the CL, despite competing in a league which has been declining for a decade and has a fraction of the wealth of the PL. The circumstances are not entirely the same but the point is that building a new stadium isn't a death sentence or a blanket excuse for the next decade.

[herbert]

8 seasons
only modern football fans and fifa playing football experts like Ike would count 2 fa cup winning seasons has failure