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cardinal2011 wrote:Does anyone know if Walcott is playing tonight?
I was thinking the same thing.
So was I. But you'd know that - wouldn't you ?. Feo did create that chance that the 'Lazy Frenchman' somehow managed to miss. We let two points slip again so late in the game. Must learn how to defend.
How can you say "lazy Frenchman"?
That statement is just a shortcut to thinking.
The guy scores 2 goals and busts his ass up top all alone, all game long.
You can call him slow, but don't call him lazy.
If you watch Giroud you will see him regularly standing about watching the play, rather than busting a gut to get into the box.
Maybe I'm unfair, having been brought up watching Wrighty work his arse off every single minute of every single game, but watching Giroud is like watching a normal striker in slow motion with the occasional freeze-frame.
I don't hate him and I don't think he's terrible, but he's definitely good enough for a team with aspirations of winning the title.
Surprised no one mentioned Monreal. Thought he had a great game, again. Intercepted so many passes I lost count and his passing and running were excellent. Best LB in the league at the moment for me.
Yankee_Gooner_Dandee wrote:Surprised no one mentioned Monreal. Thought he had a great game, again. Intercepted so many passes I lost count and his passing and running were excellent. Best LB in the league at the moment for me.
northbank123 wrote:DB10 Ramsey didn't need to play as a holding midfielder though - that's what Flamini is meant to do in that role. Ramsey needs to play box-to-box especially away from home otherwise the ball rarely reaches ozil in a decent position and if it does we don't have enough men forward.
Girouds goal was brilliant - although it made up for missing an open goal from 4 yards and his net contribution against Liverpool is still -2 points this year after fluffing from 6 yards at our place! Put in a good shift yesterday to be fair. That said imagine pace up top against those two lumbering oafs.
Should have been Walcott or Campbell or even Iwobi up front at the end to offer something on the counter. No use saying "but they can't hold the ball up like Giroud" because we were just whacking hopeless balls up and even if he did get hold of it we were sat so deep there wasn't anybody else to bring into play.
Just woeful game management.
For me it looked like Wenger set them up as 2 holding midfielders. Ramsey sat very high when we didn't have the ball, so he wasn't even fullfilling the box to box role for that 20 minutes I'm referring to. Also, part of being a box to box player is knowing when to sit as a holding style midfielder when we are on the back foot, and when to get forward at pace - Vieira was an expert at that. That first 20 minutes last night there were times Giroudzema was putting in tackles further back in our half than Ramsey! There was a huge hole in our midfield because Ramsey was constantly drifting too far forward. No coincidence that after he calmed down a bit and acted with more discipline we came into the game more.
Regarding the end, Walcott was useless last night and the Mousers weren't worried about him at all, Campbell was blown out by then so no point putting either of them centrally up front, but I'd agree he should have put Iwobi on to run at them on the counter. But then Wenger is not known for his game management skills...
As for Giroudzema himself, absolutely can't argue that his pace is non-existent and the PL is a league that requires pace from strikers. I like his effort and the odd moment of brilliance but I still say we can't win the PL with him as first choice striker in a 4-5-1. But I just don't get the hate some of the lesser intelligent on here have for an honest hard working player.
Yankee_Gooner_Dandee wrote:Surprised no one mentioned Monreal. Thought he had a great game, again. Intercepted so many passes I lost count and his passing and running were excellent. Best LB in the league at the moment for me.
I think because he has become so consistently good people tend to overlook him a bit. Particularly on here where so many people only bitch about players and there tends to be hysterical stuff written for or against one player or another. Players putting in a regular solid performance tend to slip by I suppose. Which is a shame as Nacho has been brilliant.
Monreal is the best LB in the league and has been for around 18+ months now. Superb consistency of performance week in week out, a constant 8/9 out of 10. He's after leaving Gibbs so far in his dust it's frightening, I love the guy.
Yankee_Gooner_Dandee wrote:Surprised no one mentioned Monreal. Thought he had a great game, again. Intercepted so many passes I lost count and his passing and running were excellent. Best LB in the league at the moment for me.
I think because he has become so consistently good people tend to overlook him a bit. Particularly on here where so many people only bitch about players and there tends to be hysterical stuff written for or against one player or another. Players putting in a regular solid performance tend to slip by I suppose. Which is a shame as Nacho has been brilliant.
Arsene Wenger’s substitution wasn’t very good – he took off Ozil and brought on Arteta and I thought at 3-2 he should probably have put another forward on because they’re chasing the game and then Arsenal can pick them off.
“I just think Arsenal played into their hands and that’s where they got the draw from in my opinion.”
Do not have to be in football 30 years to know he fucked up again
Couple that with the fact that Klopp brought on Benteke who won the ball in the air and the other sub Allen scored the equaliser
Arsene Wenger’s substitution wasn’t very good – he took off Ozil and brought on Arteta and I thought at 3-2 he should probably have put another forward on because they’re chasing the game and then Arsenal can pick them off.
“I just think Arsenal played into their hands and that’s where they got the draw from in my opinion.”
Do not have to be in football 30 years to know he fucked up again
Couple that with the fact that Klopp brought on Benteke who won the ball in the air and the other sub Allen scored the equaliser
Also, I was thinking about the subs, although Theo didn't have a great game pool had to respect his pace. Once he went off they could push up and threaten our goal, with him on the field they would have had to leave a player or two back to cut off his runs. They put a defender on as a striker for god's sake, Klopp knew the threat was gone.
Arsene Wenger’s substitution wasn’t very good – he took off Ozil and brought on Arteta and I thought at 3-2 he should probably have put another forward on because they’re chasing the game and then Arsenal can pick them off.
“I just think Arsenal played into their hands and that’s where they got the draw from in my opinion.”
Do not have to be in football 30 years to know he fucked up again
Couple that with the fact that Klopp brought on Benteke who won the ball in the air and the other sub Allen scored the equaliser
Also, I was thinking about the subs, although Theo didn't have a great game pool had to respect his pace. Once he went off they could push up and threaten our goal, with him on the field they would have had to leave a player or two back to cut off his runs. They ;ut a defender on as a striker for god's sake, Klopp knew the threat was gone.
Yes can agree with that comment, even though he may play poorly or do nothing, his known pace makes them very wary of him
They basically camped in our half towards the end and an equaliser was inevitable
My frustration is with Wenger, for the life of me cannot see the value of his substitution decisions,not just in this game but over the seasons
i understand we are limited with options on the bench but again that comes bak to his door, i feel disappointed and really feel this was a missed opportunity, need a win at Stoke now
Arsene Wenger’s substitution wasn’t very good – he took off Ozil and brought on Arteta and I thought at 3-2 he should probably have put another forward on because they’re chasing the game and then Arsenal can pick them off.
“I just think Arsenal played into their hands and that’s where they got the draw from in my opinion.”
Do not have to be in football 30 years to know he fucked up again
Couple that with the fact that Klopp brought on Benteke who won the ball in the air and the other sub Allen scored the equaliser
Also, I was thinking about the subs, although Theo didn't have a great game pool had to respect his pace. Once he went off they could push up and threaten our goal, with him on the field they would have had to leave a player or two back to cut off his runs. They ;ut a defender on as a striker for god's sake, Klopp knew the threat was gone.
Yes, I had another of those wake up and feel let down and disappointed mornings. We should not have lost that match after going n front.
Yes can agree with that comment, even though he may play poorly or do nothing, his known pace makes them very wary of him
They basically camped in our half towards the end and an equaliser was inevitable
My frustration is with Wenger, for the life of me cannot see the value of his substitution decisions,not just in this game but over the seasons.
i understand we are limited with options on the bench but again that comes bak to his door, i feel disappointed and really feel this was a missed opportunity, need a win at Stoke now
Yes it was another of those wake up and feel let down and disappointed mornings. We should never have lost that game after going in front. We should have peppered the gaol keeper and pressed kolo.
Arsene Wenger’s substitution wasn’t very good – he took off Ozil and brought on Arteta and I thought at 3-2 he should probably have put another forward on because they’re chasing the game and then Arsenal can pick them off.
“I just think Arsenal played into their hands and that’s where they got the draw from in my opinion.”
Do not have to be in football 30 years to know he fucked up again
Couple that with the fact that Klopp brought on Benteke who won the ball in the air and the other sub Allen scored the equaliser
Actually Paul Merson signed with Arsenal in 1985 so he has worked 30 years in football
