As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
mcdowell42 wrote:Should change the thread title to spurs appreciation ,just to keep some of the posters on here happy.
look I don't want to post "good" things about Spurs but the fact is they are the form team in the league at present.
there is no point sticking our heads in the sand any longer about them.
it is an absolute fucking disgrace that we are in the position we are with our resources compared to them at that shithole.
they shoudnt be anywhere near us.
They are on for 69 points - equal or less than 4 of the last 6 seasons. Their inevitable problems when they find themselves playing Every Thursday and Sunday (against decent sides) has yet to come and just like they used to with Bale and Modric they have flogged their best players all season.
From the few games I've seen they've been lucky to pick up as many points as they have. And when have Spurs ever come out on top in a close battle???
They will beat us though. Unlike his predecessors he won't just send them out to play a recklessly expansive game against us and he has the wood over Wenger, who will not factor in that we are facing a Spurs side with a bit of discipline for once.
northbank123 wrote:They are on for 69 points - equal or less than 4 of the last 6 seasons. Their inevitable problems when they find themselves playing Every Thursday and Sunday (against decent sides) has yet to come and just like they used to with Bale and Modric they have flogged their best players all season.
From the few games I've seen they've been lucky to pick up as many points as they have. And when have Spurs ever come out on top in a close battle???
They will beat us though. Unlike his predecessors he won't just send them out to play a recklessly expansive game against us and he has the wood over Wenger, who will not factor in that we are facing a Spurs side with a bit of discipline for once.
I agree with this. They will most likely beat us, but that isn't down to them being any good, it's down to us being bottle jobs in important or big games and so inconsistent in form. But they will be 7th to 4th place at best. Put your money on it.
I remember how some gooners were convinced Chelsea would never over-take us - even with with Ambrovaich's money. It's not as simple as 'we will always be better than them', much as we would all like to see that. Gooners might not want to be face up to it but Spurs are getting better and if we continue taking finishing ahead of them for granted, then some people are going to be in for a shock in the near future.
I Hate Hleb wrote:I remember how some gooners were convinced Chelsea would never over-take us - even with with Ambrovaich's money. It's not as simple as 'we will always be better than them', much as we would all like to see that. Gooners might not want to be face up to it but Spurs are getting better and if we continue taking finishing ahead of them for granted, then some people are going to be in for a shock in the near future.
agree,we don't have a divine right to be better,we have to earn it and for the past 10 years weve been lucky that they've been bang average as we sat on our arses lording over our new stadium but shit is about to get real and they will eclipse us very soon.i bet 10 years ago man utd fans would laugh at the thought of city being better than them,not laughing now are they,our doomsday is ever closer and this time for real
I Hate Hleb wrote:I remember how some gooners were convinced Chelsea would never over-take us - even with with Ambrovaich's money. It's not as simple as 'we will always be better than them', much as we would all like to see that. Gooners might not want to be face up to it but Spurs are getting better and if we continue taking finishing ahead of them for granted, then some people are going to be in for a shock in the near future.
My memory was that a lot of Gooners were very worried about the chav overtaking us by the Russian pimp injecting billions into them. Get off the ganja, Hlebby.
I Hate Hleb wrote:I remember how some gooners were convinced Chelsea would never over-take us - even with with Ambrovaich's money. It's not as simple as 'we will always be better than them', much as we would all like to see that. Gooners might not want to be face up to it but Spurs are getting better and if we continue taking finishing ahead of them for granted, then some people are going to be in for a shock in the near future.
My memory was that a lot of Gooners were very worried about the chav overtaking us by the Russian pimp injecting billions into them. Get off the ganja, Hlebby.
Thus the use of the word 'some'.
As for the health 'advice': I can't and, more importantly, don't want to. Life is so much better in this condition. Indeed, makes me appreciate what Wenger's state of mind must be like.
Agree that we don't have the divine right to be better than Spurs nor will we always finish above them.
But I shouldn't need to point out the staggering cash injections Chelsea and City have.
The problem with Spurs is there is a glass ceiling. It's about money - they can't compete with the biggest clubs for gate receipts and are miles off in terms of commercial deals. They are always going to be tens and tens of millions a year down in revenue and that is going to translate into lower wages and lesser transfer budget. The upshot of that is that they struggle to break into 4th and are further hampered by the established top 4 having a reliable added stream of CL money to further cement the status quo.
They can be more efficient and savvy with their budgets, they can overperform/overachieve but they aren't going to be able to compete with a wage bill literally less than half the top spenders in the league on a consistent basis. Their new stadium may eventually redress that slightly but at the moment that is complete pie in the sky.
If Spurs do surpass us (in general terms, not as a one off) it will be because we drop down a few places not because they somehow find themselves able to plug a 50% expenditure gap to compete with the big guns every year.
northbank123 wrote:Agree that we don't have the divine right to be better than Spurs nor will we always finish above them.
But I shouldn't need to point out the staggering cash injections Chelsea and City have.
The problem with Spurs is there is a glass ceiling. It's about money - they can't compete with the biggest clubs for gate receipts and are miles off in terms of commercial deals. They are always going to be tens and tens of millions a year down in revenue and that is going to translate into lower wages and lesser transfer budget. The upshot of that is that they struggle to break into 4th and are further hampered by the established top 4 having a reliable added stream of CL money to further cement the status quo.
They can be more efficient and savvy with their budgets, they can overperform/overachieve but they aren't going to be able to compete with a wage bill literally less than half the top spenders in the league on a consistent basis. Their new stadium may eventually redress that slightly but at the moment that is complete pie in the sky.
yes cash injections have changed citys and the chavs fortunes but its now got to the point where good managers are starting to eclipse wenger and poch will be one of many to do it soon,imagine what koeman could do with a good size club like everton for example.its taken years but finally and sadly the outdated methods and stubbornness of clueless are going to bite us in the arse very hard and this time financial fair play wont even come into it,it will boil down to just better management
If Spurs do surpass us (in general terms, not as a one off) it will be because we drop down a few places not because they somehow find themselves able to plug a 50% expenditure gap to compete with the big guns every year.
northbank123 wrote:Agree that we don't have the divine right to be better than Spurs nor will we always finish above them.
But I shouldn't need to point out the staggering cash injections Chelsea and City have.
The problem with Spurs is there is a glass ceiling. It's about money - they can't compete with the biggest clubs for gate receipts and are miles off in terms of commercial deals. They are always going to be tens and tens of millions a year down in revenue and that is going to translate into lower wages and lesser transfer budget. The upshot of that is that they struggle to break into 4th and are further hampered by the established top 4 having a reliable added stream of CL money to further cement the status quo.
They can be more efficient and savvy with their budgets, they can overperform/overachieve but they aren't going to be able to compete with a wage bill literally less than half the top spenders in the league on a consistent basis. Their new stadium may eventually redress that slightly but at the moment that is complete pie in the sky.
If Spurs do surpass us (in general terms, not as a one off) it will be because we drop down a few places not because they somehow find themselves able to plug a 50% expenditure gap to compete with the big guns every year.
I have a feeling that this season is so freakish they might just finish above us simply because we are so inconsistent again and they are so lucky in matches. It depends on how seriously they take the Europa league or whether they throw it and concentrate on the Prem, can't see them being able to succeed in both and if they try they will almost certainly imlode.
Much as i hate them i actually am beginning to rate Pochettino, i thought it was luck at Southampton and although it has taken a couple of seasons he is getting more than he should out of that team of muppets, they might not be particularly skillful but he has got them playing together, unlike some managers we can name
But in retrospect fuck em they'll crash dive in March
Sean wrote:Fuck Spurs. They shouldn't even be a consideration
If they ever do finish above us, it'll be because we have dropped a long way under TOF.
But isn't that the point here - nobody is saying that the scum are great, but what is being said is that we are average and going backwards Yes they have to deal with the Europa league schedule, but lets not forget that we still have to travel to both manc clubs and to the scum shithole, plus we have Leicester at home and that aint going to be easy either.
The concerns I have aren't based on ability cos we have better players than them all over the park - my worries are based on the hunger and attitude of their players and the consistency that they are showing (that we are not). The league has never been about top performances (that's what the cups are about) but rather they are about consistency and the ability to grind out results - people rightly point out that they struggled against palace lately, but the point is that even though they struggled they still picked up 3 pts.
I'm not saying that they will finish above us this season cos the league is so shit that it is impossible to predict who will finish where (except that we know we wont it ) - what I am saying is that this is their best chance for many a year to finish above us and they know it. The team that the tax dodger had a few years ago had some good players in it but they were playing against better teams and in a stronger league - these days you don't have to have a good team and I would certainly rate that scum team as good as the manure team that many reckon will finish top 4. I certainly wouldn't be as cocky/dismissive about their chances of finishing above them
Yes they have to deal with the Europa league schedule, but lets not forget that we still have to travel to both manc clubs and to the scum shithole, plus we have Leicester at home and that aint going to be easy either.
) - what I am saying is that this is their best chance for many a year to finish above us and they know it. The team that the tax dodger had a few years ago had some good players in it but they were playing against better teams and in a stronger league - these days you don't have to have a good team and I would certainly rate that scum team as good as the manure team that many reckon will finish top 4. I certainly wouldn't be as cocky/dismissive about their chances of finishing above them 
