As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
northbank123 wrote:Agree with not loaning Debuchy to United - even though it would be the equivalent of throwing somebody a rubber ring in a tsunami I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
Obviously makes a mockery of his decision to sell van Judas (and others) though.
He wouldn't sell them Debuchy but he sells them a bloke who wins them the league.He really does know best.
Your forgetting that RVPrick forced the move himself tho. He rebelled against the club and forced them to sell him. Manure offered more money and the board got greedy and sold him to them, regardless of them being a hated rival of ours. They should rightly get lambasted for this, but some fans anger is wrongly directed at the manager for some reason. He tells the board the player needs to go, and the board handle the rest. In this case the just took the highest offer without caring that it was that mob
When arsene has a plan we listen to it.......when he doesn't, we say nothing If you seriously think that le cock didn't sanction the rvp to manure deal, then you are way beyond delusional
So some say it's the board and some say it's all Wenger, but surely they both should take the blame?
I'm sure, all things being equal, Wenger and Gazidis would have rather sold him abroad but presumably no offers came leaving them with the option of selling to an English club for £25m(ish) or keeping an unhappy player and letting him join United on a free 9 months later.
I don't doubt Wenger sanctioned the move because if he strongly wanted RVP to see out his contract he probably could have convinced the board, but equally the board could have vetoed the move and taken the financial hit.
The club as a whole should be ashamed. Wenger for sanctioning the move even though it severely hurt the team from a football perspective and the board for being greedy bastards and handing him (and the title) to United and taking the money.
Didn't RVP, as club captain, challenge TOF to make big signings and shake up the coaching staff? Basically asking for the things that we were asking for. Unfortunately the 'Little boy inside me' quote turned most Gooners against him. Whereas want-away cunnt Fabregas couldn't wait to jump ship and didn't really get slated until he joined Chelski after Barca discarded him like a used rubber.
Anyway, I'm sure TOF 'did a Rodders' once he haggled Fergie up to £24M.
Sean wrote:Didn't RVP, as club captain, challenge TOF to make big signings and shake up the coaching staff? Basically asking for the things that we were asking for.
He did but he surely only did it as he wanted to force a move to United rather than stay at an improved Arsenal.
northbank123 wrote:Agree with not loaning Debuchy to United - even though it would be the equivalent of throwing somebody a rubber ring in a tsunami I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.
Obviously makes a mockery of his decision to sell van Judas (and others) though.
He wouldn't sell them Debuchy but he sells them a bloke who wins them the league.He really does know best.
Your forgetting that RVPrick forced the move himself tho. He rebelled against the club and forced them to sell him. Manure offered more money and the board got greedy and sold him to them, regardless of them being a hated rival of ours. They should rightly get lambasted for this, but some fans anger is wrongly directed at the manager for some reason. He tells the board the player needs to go, and the board handle the rest. In this case the just took the highest offer without caring that it was that mob
When arsene has a plan we listen to it.......when he doesn't, we say nothing If you seriously think that le cock didn't sanction the rvp to manure deal, then you are way beyond delusional
Basically it comes down to who you believe was responsible for it. If you think the manager gave the transfer the go ahead then so be it, give him stick. I personally believe it was more to do with the money grabbing board, so I give them stick. We may never know who is responsible, but I'm sure we both agree that whoever it was done a disgraceful disservice to the club and should hold their head in shame!
And yes, if it is proved to be the manager, I will have a few choice words to say about him on this occasion
So, just to clear things up for g88ner and Cloaked gooner who seem to want to absolve Wenger of at least some of the blame and muddy the water by shoehorning the board into the deal for RVPs transfer when it was actually Wenger and only Wenger who did the negotiations with Fergie himself.
..After finding out about Van Persie's interest, the then Manchester United boss spoke on the phone to Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger several times to seal the move.
Ferguson wrote: "I warned Arsene we would never get to £25m. Arsene was incredulous. He could not believe that Manchester United wouldn't stretch to £25m for such a player.
"I told him again: I wouldn't go to £25m. Arsene asked what my best offer would be. Answer: £22m. The reply was that Arsenal would take £22.5m and a further £1.5m if we won the Champions League or Premier Leaguer during the period of his contract. Deal done."
Arsene Wenger said the transfer had gone through: "It was a very professional phone call (from Ferguson) and there was more than one. I will tell you the rest another day."
All widely reported and admitted by Wenger in interviews, but hey, never let the truth stand in the way of a defence of Wenger story lads eh?
The truth is AW will spin everything to his own personal advantage, not the clubs or the players! I cannot emphasise this point enough.
He'll attempt to say the thing that will put him in the best light at that moment in time, immaterial of whether it totally contradicts something he has previously said.
He is an absolute master of language and the use of it to confuse and confound in the moment, where he falls down is that he is easily caught out by not remembering exactly what he has said previously.
This is where our journalists are absolutely crap, they never ever catch him out on it and yet with a bit of preparation they could make him look extremely foolish. Maybe as has been said many times before on here the journos are scared to have their access privileges removed and therefore lack any integrity. To be frank its embarrassing for them, they're supposed to be professionals after all.
I seriously want to know why his lies are never brought up at the AGMs either, are our shareholders etc so pathetic that they have so little regard for this club and its history that they'd rather just watch the money roll in? Surely they can't all be like that.
Sean wrote:Didn't RVP, as club captain, challenge TOF to make big signings and shake up the coaching staff? Basically asking for the things that we were asking for.
He did but he surely only did it as he wanted to force a move to United rather than stay at an improved Arsenal.
I think RVP knew that TOF wasn't going to allow the club to seriously challenge for the league or the Be All and End All with his insane self-imposed 'rules' holding us back and had enough of the same failures every season, having finished our fourth Groundhog Season.
Unfortunately, RVP was vindicated by winning the title with Manure in his first season
Piers Moron is a total cunnt and is otherwise an embarrassment to all Gooners, but he is spot on there. Unfortunately
It makes me cringe to see Keown defending TOF
Offside wrote:I wonder how Wenger feels about FA Cup replays now
I know. What a fucking moron he is; pretending to give a shit about the FA Cup then weakening the side to ensure another 90 minutes of watching paint dry trying to see this hapless lot try to score a fucking goal.
SteveO 35 wrote:"You can not sell Fabregas and Nasri and say that you are a big club"
"We are moving so we can compete with Europe's elite clubs"
For those that argue that Wenger had no say in the sale of RVP, then I would ask, why would he stay on as manager if the club is preventing him from having control over who he sells a player to? This is a guy that has shown on numerous occasions that he has a huge ego and looks for control over all matters relating to the club, I doubt he would accept being told what to do. For me the sale of RVP came down to Wenger looking to do his job for the board, which is to make the top 4 and to sell players on for a profit.
The 'say' he had in RVPs transfer is that he failed to convince him there was any reason to stay having gone 7 years without a trophy and having endless disappointing transfer windows and selling all the rest of our best players. Who gives a shit who sanctioned / negotiated the final deal? The bloke effectively warned the club a year before and we went and sold our best players again and signed a lorry load of shite instead.
GoonerMuzz wrote:
This is where our journalists are absolutely crap, they never ever catch him out on it and yet with a bit of preparation they could make him look extremely foolish.
He actually does a pretty good job of this on his own