THE WENGER THREAD

[MrT]

Nice to see when you're 2 down you've got time for a wry smile.

[Ikechukwu1]

"I believe you should keep FA Cup replays they are part of the tradition"
Arsene Wenger, February 19, before facing Hull.

Arsenal 0 Hull 0 FT Score.
February 20, a day after talking up cup replays, Wenger loses his key annual excuse about "fixture
congestion".

"The season Leicester are having is proof that you don't need money to be successful."
Arsene Wenger, February 12 press conference pre Leicester match, when asked to explain Leicester's season.

"Barcelona have been successful these past 10 years because they had resources to spend"
Arsene Wenger, February 22nd, pre game CL press conference upon being asked why Barcelona had pulled so far ahead of Arsenal in the past decade. Directly contradicting what he'd said the previous week.

"Messi maybe will have a little complex"
February 21st, Wenger comments on Messi's record of having never scored against Cech, ignoring that Cech had been previously playing behind a solid defence and quality defensive midfield.

February 23rd: Lionel Messi cuts through Arsenal as he scores twice to eliminate the club from CL.

Epic TWAT. Everyone is full of paradox but difference is that at £8m a year how many other managers have made so many imbecile comments in the space of less than one month??!

[augie]

I know people are slating him for negativity with his 95% comments, but anybody who actually thinks we have a 1 in 20 (or better) chance of progressing need to be sectioned.

Nice to have a bit of honesty for once actually, although sadly he won't just chuck the second leg as he should.

Maybe so, but there are thousands of Gooners who have committed a lot of money to that trip and I'm sure that they don't want to hear the manager throw in the towel beforehand. How will the club feel if the supporters say "fu.ck this we aint going" ? Granted they wont lose money and we all know that is the bottom line for our board ( ), but it would reflect very badly on a club that claims to be one of the worlds biggest

[arseofacrow]

I know people are slating him for negativity with his 95% comments, but anybody who actually thinks we have a 1 in 20 (or better) chance of progressing need to be sectioned.

Nice to have a bit of honesty for once actually, although sadly he won't just chuck the second leg as he should.

Maybe so, but there are thousands of Gooners who have committed a lot of money to that trip and I'm sure that they don't want to hear the manager throw in the towel beforehand. How will the club feel if the supporters say "fu.ck this we aint going" ? Granted they wont lose money and we all know that is the bottom line for our board ( ), but it would reflect very badly on a club that claims to be one of the worlds biggest

Better for the manager to say we've got every chance of winning? Look, if you book an away trip of any kind it always a kind of risk. What the fuck makes these away fans think they're any better than the away fans who went before? What's best for the club? Answer: leave half the team at home and be honest about who and what we are.

[casgooner]

I'm sure all of those Arsenal fans knew what state we would be in in terms of winning the tie when they booked it. For some it will be a nice little break away in a fantastic city, with a football match thrown in.

[Herd]

Maybe so, but there are thousands of Gooners who have committed a lot of money to that trip and I'm sure that they don't want to hear the manager throw in the towel beforehand. How will the club feel if the supporters say "fu.ck this we aint going" ? Granted they wont lose money and we all know that is the bottom line for our board ( ), but it would reflect very badly on a club that claims to be one of the worlds biggest

To be honest people who travel to euro aways often dont give a fuck about the winnability of the tie especially once we are in the knockout stages ,

In my experience the availabilty of cheap whores, beer, and cocaine is of far more importance to the average gooner !

Barca scores big on all those fronts and as long as u dont get rolled by the tranny whores of las ramblas you should have a cracker !

[Offside]

"I believe you should keep FA Cup replays they are part of the tradition"
Arsene Wenger, February 19, before facing Hull.

Arsenal 0 Hull 0 FT Score.
February 20, a day after talking up cup replays, Wenger loses his key annual excuse about "fixture
congestion".

"The season Leicester are having is proof that you don't need money to be successful."
Arsene Wenger, February 12 press conference pre Leicester match, when asked to explain Leicester's season.

"Barcelona have been successful these past 10 years because they had resources to spend"
Arsene Wenger, February 22nd, pre game CL press conference upon being asked why Barcelona had pulled so far ahead of Arsenal in the past decade. Directly contradicting what he'd said the previous week.

"Messi maybe will have a little complex"
February 21st, Wenger comments on Messi's record of having never scored against Cech, ignoring that Cech had been previously playing behind a solid defence and quality defensive midfield.

February 23rd: Lionel Messi cuts through Arsenal as he scores twice to eliminate the club from CL.

Epic TWAT. Everyone is full of paradox but difference is that at £8m a year how many other managers have made so many imbecile comments in the space of less than one month??!

Everytime he opens his mouth he makes a rod for his own back.

He's thrown in the towel already for the 2nd leg, proving that as far as the club is concerned, they're just happy to get the revenue for the group stages and a lucrative last 16 tie. But winning it? No chance.

[xgtdec]

http://www.football365.com/news/mathieu ... al-present

Oh dear, now if only the author would rock up at the next press conference and verbalise that!!

I'm tired now....off to the Milf thread

[Ikechukwu1]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... -to-change

This article right here is a perfect example of what a joke the media is. The author has very good points in parts, but asks a fundamental question ie what needs to change for Arsenal to be successful? The author even mentions that Arsenal de different personnel every year, but continue to fail miserably in the same incompetent way every year. What is the one common denominator?
I wonder....

Stevie Wonder can see the obvious answer, but this "journalist" doesn't even broach the subject. Absolutely no courage. So yes, the media should carry on asking "wonder why it keeps going wrong at Arsenal" every year. Funny as they've been all over LVG as the cause of ManYoo's medicos gory even though he's been there just under 2 years.

[northbank123]

I know people are slating him for negativity with his 95% comments, but anybody who actually thinks we have a 1 in 20 (or better) chance of progressing need to be sectioned.

Nice to have a bit of honesty for once actually, although sadly he won't just chuck the second leg as he should.

Maybe so, but there are thousands of Gooners who have committed a lot of money to that trip and I'm sure that they don't want to hear the manager throw in the towel beforehand. How will the club feel if the supporters say "fu.ck this we aint going" ? Granted they wont lose money and we all know that is the bottom line for our board ( ), but it would reflect very badly on a club that claims to be one of the worlds biggest

Fair point but the reality is they are already going to watch a dead rubber and should have known there was an 80% chance of that being the case.

We shouldn't be in this position but we are: whilst I don't fancy us for the title if resting players out there is going to give us a better chance then those fans can lump it.

[g88ner]

"I believe you should keep FA Cup replays they are part of the tradition"
Arsene Wenger, February 19, before facing Hull. G88NER: I AGREE

Arsenal 0 Hull 0 FT Score.
February 20, a day after talking up cup replays, Wenger loses his key annual excuse about "fixture
congestion". G88NER: FAIR ENOUGH - WE HAVE MANY BIG GAMES IN A SHORT TIME FRAME AND THE FA CUP REPLAY DOESN'T HELP MATTERS... AKA FIXTURE CONGESTION. DOESN'T CHANGE MY THOUGHTS ON THE FA CUP THOUGH.

"The season Leicester are having is proof that you don't need money to be successful."
Arsene Wenger, February 12 press conference pre Leicester match, when asked to explain Leicester's season. G88NER: AGREED, FAIR PLAY TO LEICESTER. SMALL BUDGET BUT BEST IN THE LEAGUE SO FAR. THERE'S HOPE AND LESSONS TO BE LEARNT THERE; NOT JUST FOR ARSENAL BUT SMALLER CLUBS TOO. CREDIT WHERE IT'S DUE

"Barcelona have been successful these past 10 years because they had resources to spend"
Arsene Wenger, February 22nd, pre game CL press conference upon being asked why Barcelona had pulled so far ahead of Arsenal in the past decade. Directly contradicting what he'd said the previous week. G88NER: I AGREE. HISTORICALLY THE TOP CLUBS ARE ALSO THE RICHEST. IT WOULD BE SILLY NOT TO ADMIT THERE'S A CONNECTION BETWEEN MONEY AND SUCCESS. LEICESTER ARE EVIDENCE OF DOING IT WITHOUT A BIG BUDGET BUT EXAMPLES LIKE THAT ARE OFTEN SHORT LIVED, FEW AND FAR BETWEEN AND COMPLETELY DROWNED OUT BY EXAMPLES OF RICH TEAMS DOING WELL

"I HOPE Messi maybe will have a little complex"
February 21st, Wenger comments on Messi's record of having never scored against Cech, ignoring that Cech had been previously playing behind a solid defence and quality defensive midfield. G88NER: IT WAS CLEARLY WISHFUL THINKING! I'VE ADDED "I HOPE" TO YOUR QUOTE TO HELP WITH THE CONTEXT AS YOU MADE IT SEEM WORSE THAN IT WAS... UNINTENTIONALLY I'M SURE

February 23rd: Lionel Messi cuts through Arsenal as he scores twice to eliminate the club from CL. G88NER: SO? - HARDLY A HUGE SURPRISE. HE'S DONE THAT TO TEAMS FOR YEARS

Epic TWAT. Everyone is full of paradox but difference is that at £8m a year how many other managers have made so many imbecile comments in the space of less than one month??!

Context is key though. None of those above quotes make him an epic twat or an imbecile; some are true, some are fair comments and one is wishful thinking.

You're looking too close and seeing what you want just because you hate the bloke.

[Ikechukwu1]

"I believe you should keep FA Cup replays they are part of the tradition"
Arsene Wenger, February 19, before facing Hull. G88NER: I AGREE

Arsenal 0 Hull 0 FT Score.
February 20, a day after talking up cup replays, Wenger loses his key annual excuse about "fixture
congestion". G88NER: FAIR ENOUGH - WE HAVE MANY BIG GAMES IN A SHORT TIME FRAME AND THE FA CUP REPLAY DOESN'T HELP MATTERS... AKA FIXTURE CONGESTION. DOESN'T CHANGE MY THOUGHTS ON THE FA CUP THOUGH.

"The season Leicester are having is proof that you don't need money to be successful."
Arsene Wenger, February 12 press conference pre Leicester match, when asked to explain Leicester's season. G88NER: AGREED, FAIR PLAY TO LEICESTER. SMALL BUDGET BUT BEST IN THE LEAGUE SO FAR. THERE'S HOPE AND LESSONS TO BE LEARNT THERE; NOT JUST FOR ARSENAL BUT SMALLER CLUBS TOO. CREDIT WHERE IT'S DUE

"Barcelona have been successful these past 10 years because they had resources to spend"
Arsene Wenger, February 22nd, pre game CL press conference upon being asked why Barcelona had pulled so far ahead of Arsenal in the past decade. Directly contradicting what he'd said the previous week. G88NER: I AGREE. HISTORICALLY THE TOP CLUBS ARE ALSO THE RICHEST. IT WOULD BE SILLY NOT TO ADMIT THERE'S A CONNECTION BETWEEN MONEY AND SUCCESS. LEICESTER ARE EVIDENCE OF DOING IT WITHOUT A BIG BUDGET BUT EXAMPLES LIKE THAT ARE OFTEN SHORT LIVED, FEW AND FAR BETWEEN AND COMPLETELY DROWNED OUT BY EXAMPLES OF RICH TEAMS DOING WELL

"I HOPE Messi maybe will have a little complex"
February 21st, Wenger comments on Messi's record of having never scored against Cech, ignoring that Cech had been previously playing behind a solid defence and quality defensive midfield. G88NER: IT WAS CLEARLY WISHFUL THINKING! I'VE ADDED "I HOPE" TO YOUR QUOTE TO HELP WITH THE CONTEXT AS YOU MADE IT SEEM WORSE THAN IT WAS... UNINTENTIONALLY I'M SURE

February 23rd: Lionel Messi cuts through Arsenal as he scores twice to eliminate the club from CL. G88NER: SO? - HARDLY A HUGE SURPRISE. HE'S DONE THAT TO TEAMS FOR YEARS

Epic TWAT. Everyone is full of paradox but difference is that at £8m a year how many other managers have made so many imbecile comments in the space of less than one month??!

Context is key though. None of those above quotes make him an epic twat or an imbecile; some are true, some are fair comments and one is wishful thinking.

You're looking too close and seeing what you want just because you hate the bloke.

Aaaaah yes. The famous "context"
I assume context exonerates our Glorious Leader from being pulled up on most things then eh?

I found your comments on money intriguing. I don't deny money plays an influence, but that overlooks that Wenker has spent a lot of money himself. So the point about not overlooking the part money plays can be flung right back at him. He's actually living proof that you can spend all the money you want but if you can't do tactics, man-manage, be ruthless and motivate....

My other issue with his comment is that it's quite disrespectful in assuming that the main reason Barca have been successful due to money, and that's an outright lie. Madrid have consistently outspent them for a decade - yet who has won more?
Who have been Barca's core players over the past decade?
Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets are core players, all academy, all free. How many of those has he produced then?
Sure Eto'o, Ronaldinho, Alves etc cost money. Yet in their current team they only have 2 players innit that cost more than Ozil!
For him to pretend their success is solely down to money - as his comments clearly state, is dishonest and a lie.

But yeah sure, let's look at the "context" behind his clear contradictory statements. Nothing to see here, as you were

[g88ner]

"I believe you should keep FA Cup replays they are part of the tradition"
Arsene Wenger, February 19, before facing Hull. G88NER: I AGREE

Arsenal 0 Hull 0 FT Score.
February 20, a day after talking up cup replays, Wenger loses his key annual excuse about "fixture
congestion". G88NER: FAIR ENOUGH - WE HAVE MANY BIG GAMES IN A SHORT TIME FRAME AND THE FA CUP REPLAY DOESN'T HELP MATTERS... AKA FIXTURE CONGESTION. DOESN'T CHANGE MY THOUGHTS ON THE FA CUP THOUGH.

"The season Leicester are having is proof that you don't need money to be successful."
Arsene Wenger, February 12 press conference pre Leicester match, when asked to explain Leicester's season. G88NER: AGREED, FAIR PLAY TO LEICESTER. SMALL BUDGET BUT BEST IN THE LEAGUE SO FAR. THERE'S HOPE AND LESSONS TO BE LEARNT THERE; NOT JUST FOR ARSENAL BUT SMALLER CLUBS TOO. CREDIT WHERE IT'S DUE

"Barcelona have been successful these past 10 years because they had resources to spend"
Arsene Wenger, February 22nd, pre game CL press conference upon being asked why Barcelona had pulled so far ahead of Arsenal in the past decade. Directly contradicting what he'd said the previous week. G88NER: I AGREE. HISTORICALLY THE TOP CLUBS ARE ALSO THE RICHEST. IT WOULD BE SILLY NOT TO ADMIT THERE'S A CONNECTION BETWEEN MONEY AND SUCCESS. LEICESTER ARE EVIDENCE OF DOING IT WITHOUT A BIG BUDGET BUT EXAMPLES LIKE THAT ARE OFTEN SHORT LIVED, FEW AND FAR BETWEEN AND COMPLETELY DROWNED OUT BY EXAMPLES OF RICH TEAMS DOING WELL

"I HOPE Messi maybe will have a little complex"
February 21st, Wenger comments on Messi's record of having never scored against Cech, ignoring that Cech had been previously playing behind a solid defence and quality defensive midfield. G88NER: IT WAS CLEARLY WISHFUL THINKING! I'VE ADDED "I HOPE" TO YOUR QUOTE TO HELP WITH THE CONTEXT AS YOU MADE IT SEEM WORSE THAN IT WAS... UNINTENTIONALLY I'M SURE

February 23rd: Lionel Messi cuts through Arsenal as he scores twice to eliminate the club from CL. G88NER: SO? - HARDLY A HUGE SURPRISE. HE'S DONE THAT TO TEAMS FOR YEARS

Epic TWAT. Everyone is full of paradox but difference is that at £8m a year how many other managers have made so many imbecile comments in the space of less than one month??!

Context is key though. None of those above quotes make him an epic twat or an imbecile; some are true, some are fair comments and one is wishful thinking.

You're looking too close and seeing what you want just because you hate the bloke.

Aaaaah yes. The famous "context"
I assume context exonerates our Glorious Leader from being pulled up on most things then eh?

what's wrong with context? - you make it sound like a dirty word

And no, context doesn't exonerate anyone from criticism. Why would it? - that's a silly thing to aim at me. Context simply enables a more balanced discussion without letting hate cloud people's views.

You know I want Wenger gone and don't rate him much at all these days, but I can still see what you're doing and it has nothing to do with a balanced, sensible view. It's twisting someones words to make someone appear more stupid than they are just because you despise the bloke.

If you have a strong argument about wanting Wenger gone (which you do) then don't undermine it with silly rants that every man and his dog can see through.

[augie]

Have to say though G88ner, that the whole money thing is showing him up big time and it should be highlighted more in the media - for years he has claimed that we could not compete with the mega rich, but yet Leicester are doing it on a fraction of the budget that we have. Despite citing money as the biggest reason for our decline, he now holds Leicester up as an example of what can be done without spending money..........how come you weren't able to do it then arsene ? Would it be something to do with a lack of tactics ? Or maybe it is to do with your total inability to motivate your players ? Or maybe it is down to the culture of surrender that you have created in our club, and the fact that there is no accountability from the players ?
It also angers me a lot that he says outright that the reason he didn't sign mahrez was that he was afraid of the reaction of the fans if he made another cut price signing - if that is the case then why don't you spend proper money on a proven quality signing and that would appease the fans ? Fact is that this is just another way to absolve himself from any responsibility and to get the fans to cease from demanding top quality signings and allow him to continue his cheapo deals - it is either cheapo's or nothing folks

The man is a cu.nt of the highest degree and not a day goes by that I don't pray for his total removal from our club......anyway possible

[xisstential]

What is mostly overlooked with Wenger is that he very seldom splashes big, we all know that. What he does do is buy cheap, hoping to unearth a gem.... BUT then, 90% of the time we get the Arteta's, Sanogo's, Walcotts, Girouds, who end up on ridiculous wages and then we cannot get rid of them. What club in the world would pay Walcott 140k per week??? So now he's stuck with this dross, he's overpaying them and there is no way out.... so he does the only thing people like him do... he plays them AND he defends them, even trying to convince us how great they are. We might not lay out big money in single transactions but tot up our weekly wage bill, then look at how little bang we are getting for our buck