THE WENGER THREAD

[Gunner Rob]

i was thinking about why there is so much frustration around Wenger still being the boss and I think this is it - he is still a good manager.
Ok obviously he is not a great manager or even very good, but he manages to do the minimum season after season.
Winning the FA Cup to get himself a new contract was also a masterstroke.
I have no time for the man, hate his guts and wish he would fuck off but...I can also see how he continually manages to con a lot of the fanbase.

this season is panning out as usual with the team bumbling on in 3rd or 4th place and facing another CL exit at the round of 16 stage. the problem Wenger has got this season is that currently Leicester and Spurs are above us and not Man City and Chelsea.
with those 2 above us he is starting to look a bit stupid but....as any AKB wll tell you dont forget we are doing better than Chelsea, Man Utd, City and Liverpool

[DB10GOONER]

i was thinking about why there is so much frustration around Wenger still being the boss and I think this is it - he is still a good manager.
Ok obviously he is not a great manager or even very good, but he manages to do the minimum season after season.
Winning the FA Cup to get himself a new contract was also a masterstroke.
I have no time for the man, hate his guts and wish he would fuck off but...I can also see how he continually manages to con a lot of the fanbase.

this season is panning out as usual with the team bumbling on in 3rd or 4th place and facing another CL exit at the round of 16 stage. the problem Wenger has got this season is that currently Leicester and Spurs are above us and not Man City and Chelsea.
with those 2 above us he is starting to look a bit stupid but....as any AKB wll tell you dont forget we are doing better than Chelsea, Man Utd, City and Liverpool

This is a really good point when it's put like that. Before the usual hysterical mong (we all know which idiot I'm talking about ) tears into you and accuses you of being a Wenger lover, I'd say I agree to an extent.

If an AKB looks at in simplistic black and white terms, Wenger is only ever bettered by maybe 2 or 3 PL managers in any given season, and is better than the other 16 or so managers every season, and when he won the last 2 FA cups only one PL manager bettered him in each of those seasons by winning the PL.

These people don't see the wastefulness of his managerial career, the poorly spent money, the lost opportunities to actually step up and be number 1 again. They don't understand aspiration, ambition or the demand that high ticket prices should (to some extent) deliver on field success. They don't see the stagnation of his managerial career.

They see us finish ahead of the mouser, the scum or manure and win the odd cup and yaaaayyy 1+1=5 and we are better than them and the 15 or 16 teams that are basically fodder in the PL. That is why, on current form, there will never be a large outcry for him to be sacked or resign.

Christ, I'm depressed now.

[Ikechukwu1]

i was thinking about why there is so much frustration around Wenger still being the boss and I think this is it - he is still a good manager.
Ok obviously he is not a great manager or even very good, but he manages to do the minimum season after season.
Winning the FA Cup to get himself a new contract was also a masterstroke.
I have no time for the man, hate his guts and wish he would fuck off but...I can also see how he continually manages to con a lot of the fanbase.

this season is panning out as usual with the team bumbling on in 3rd or 4th place and facing another CL exit at the round of 16 stage. the problem Wenger has got this season is that currently Leicester and Spurs are above us and not Man City and Chelsea.
with those 2 above us he is starting to look a bit stupid but....as any AKB wll tell you dont forget we are doing better than Chelsea, Man Utd, City and Liverpool

This is a really good point when it's put like that. Before the usual hysterical mong (we all know which idiot I'm talking about ) tears into you and accuses you of being a Wenger lover, I'd say I agree to an extent.

If an AKB looks at in simplistic black and white terms, Wenger is only ever bettered by maybe 2 or 3 PL managers in any given season, and is better than the other 16 or so managers every season, and when he won the last 2 FA cups only one PL manager bettered him in each of those seasons by winning the PL.

These people don't see the wastefulness of his managerial career, the poorly spent money, the lost opportunities to actually step up and be number 1 again. They don't understand aspiration, ambition or the demand that high ticket prices should (to some extent) deliver on field success. They don't see the stagnation of his managerial career.

They see us finish ahead of the mouser, the scum or manure and win the odd cup and yaaaayyy 1+1=5 and we are better than them and the 15 or 16 teams that are basically fodder in the PL. That is why, on current form, there will never be a large outcry for him to be sacked or resign.

Christ, I'm depressed now.

I agree with Gunner Rob assessment. Also DB10, I thought "personal abuse" was frowned upon on these boards? Interesting.
Noted that it's acceptable to dish out kindergarten broadsides....

[Chinae]

He is there because he fulfils the minimum requirement of the club's owners as has been said above. The club has become too much of a business entity than a football club . It's not just Wenger who should take the blame but the board aswell. I admire him for what he has done but now its time to move on and he can take some of the board members aswell with him. He will always be a club legend though

[augie]

i was thinking about why there is so much frustration around Wenger still being the boss and I think this is it - he is still a good manager.
Ok obviously he is not a great manager or even very good, but he manages to do the minimum season after season.
Winning the FA Cup to get himself a new contract was also a masterstroke.
I have no time for the man, hate his guts and wish he would fuck off but...I can also see how he continually manages to con a lot of the fanbase.

this season is panning out as usual with the team bumbling on in 3rd or 4th place and facing another CL exit at the round of 16 stage. the problem Wenger has got this season is that currently Leicester and Spurs are above us and not Man City and Chelsea.
with those 2 above us he is starting to look a bit stupid but....as any AKB wll tell you dont forget we are doing better than Chelsea, Man Utd, City and Liverpool

Do not and cannot agree with that - people like to delude themselves with crap about still supporting him because of how he continues to get top 4 despite moving stadium but deluding themselves is all they are doing The senile old fool is retaining the support he has for one reason and one reason alone ..........past successes. If he had of been appointed manager in 2010 he would have been sacked before now. Had he been appointed in 2010 he would likely have been drowned in the bile coming down from the stands at every home game - ffs many of those that want him gone still wont abuse him because of past achievements There is no way a new manager would be tolerated by the akb for managing our club the way he has, and that confirms that he is being judged by who he is rather than by how he is performing There are no standards anywhere that would rate him as good when he continues to surround himself and the club with so much mediocrity despite having the wealth of resources he has at his disposal

[Ikechukwu1]

He is there because he fulfils the minimum requirement of the club's owners as has been said above. The club has become too much of a business entity than a football club . It's not just Wenger who should take the blame but the board aswell. I admire him for what he has done but now its time to move on and he can take some of the board members aswell with him. He will always be a club legend though

Really? So if Leicester or worst of all, the Spuds, finished ahead of us this season, you honestly think he would "always be a club legend"? Based on what? Stuff he achieved about 12 years ago? How about the numerous insults to the fans and the years of lies? Brushed under the carpet? How about deliberately leaving us short every year and conditioning many into believing we should be grateful for annual failure (ie 4th place?)
Just what exactly would Lord A-Hole have to do in your eyes for him to no longer be "a club legend"?

George Graham despite being at a serious financial disadvantage to an all-conquering Liverpool side, never ever waved the white flag and used a category of excuses for failure. Back to Anfield 89, would you trust Wenger to win in that position? The same man who's already waved the white flag against Barca and spent pre match waxing about just how superior to us they are?

Genuinely amazed at this perspective. Like I said - if he fails to win us the weakest ever PL even though there's £200m sitting in the bank, I'd love to see how he could "always be a club legend"...

[xisstential]

Genuinely amazed at this perspective. Like I said - if he fails to win us the weakest ever PL even though there's £200m sitting in the bank, I'd love to see how he could "always be a club legend"...

Because people will always point out what he won. Even in the misery of the last decade he won 2 FA cups. Forget about the near misses & what could have been achieved, he paid off the stadium and once that was done he won 2 x FA cups. That is how AKB's look at it, that is how they will remember him. Hence.... "club legend"

[Chinae]

He is there because he fulfils the minimum requirement of the club's owners as has been said above. The club has become too much of a business entity than a football club . It's not just Wenger who should take the blame but the board aswell. I admire him for what he has done but now its time to move on and he can take some of the board members aswell with him. He will always be a club legend though

Really? So if Leicester or worst of all, the Spuds, finished ahead of us this season, you honestly think he would "always be a club legend"? Based on what? Stuff he achieved about 12 years ago? How about the numerous insults to the fans and the years of lies? Brushed under the carpet? How about deliberately leaving us short every year and conditioning many into believing we should be grateful for annual failure (ie 4th place?)
Just what exactly would Lord A-Hole have to do in your eyes for him to no longer be "a club legend"?

George Graham despite being at a serious financial disadvantage to an all-conquering Liverpool side, never ever waved the white flag and used a category of excuses for failure. Back to Anfield 89, would you trust Wenger to win in that position? The same man who's already waved the white flag against Barca and spent pre match waxing about just how superior to us they are?

Genuinely amazed at this perspective. Like I said - if he fails to win us the weakest ever PL even though there's £200m sitting in the bank, I'd love to see how he could "always be a club legend"...

There is too much negativity among the fans at the moment right from the Emirates going ones. Some of it justified and some of it not like your rant mate. Never compare two eras, doesn't make sense. Plus you are comparing Arsene with a manager who was suspended for accepting bungs. Now I am not belittling Graham's achievements but we have to look at the the whole picture and not just whatever suits us to make our point.
Whatever Wenger's faults and we all know there are quite a few, it's the board that has kept him here. That's why I believe him leaving won't solve the team's problems. The board will appoint someone similar to Arsene. That's why I said both have to go.
I reiterate Arsene will always be a club legend

[xisstential]

He is there because he fulfils the minimum requirement of the club's owners as has been said above. The club has become too much of a business entity than a football club . It's not just Wenger who should take the blame but the board aswell. I admire him for what he has done but now its time to move on and he can take some of the board members aswell with him. He will always be a club legend though

Really? So if Leicester or worst of all, the Spuds, finished ahead of us this season, you honestly think he would "always be a club legend"? Based on what? Stuff he achieved about 12 years ago? How about the numerous insults to the fans and the years of lies? Brushed under the carpet? How about deliberately leaving us short every year and conditioning many into believing we should be grateful for annual failure (ie 4th place?)
Just what exactly would Lord A-Hole have to do in your eyes for him to no longer be "a club legend"?

George Graham despite being at a serious financial disadvantage to an all-conquering Liverpool side, never ever waved the white flag and used a category of excuses for failure. Back to Anfield 89, would you trust Wenger to win in that position? The same man who's already waved the white flag against Barca and spent pre match waxing about just how superior to us they are?

Genuinely amazed at this perspective. Like I said - if he fails to win us the weakest ever PL even though there's £200m sitting in the bank, I'd love to see how he could "always be a club legend"...

There is too much negativity among the fans at the moment right from the Emirates going ones. Some of it justified and some of it not like your rant mate. Never compare two eras, doesn't make sense. Plus you are comparing Arsene with a manager who was suspended for accepting bungs. Now I am not belittling Graham's achievements but we have to look at the the whole picture and not just whatever suits us to make our point.
Whatever Wenger's faults and we all know there are quite a few, it's the board that has kept him here. That's why I believe him leaving won't solve the team's problems. The board will appoint someone similar to Arsene. That's why I said both have to go.
I reiterate Arsene will always be a club legend

Ah yes.... it's all the boards fault. Wake up, the board does NOT dictate to Wenger. Wenger delivers EXACTLY want Kroenke wants, the board do not come into it. Wenger is a total despot, he dictates to the board, NOT the other way round.

[Chinae]

The hatred towards Arsene over here..

[postmanPat91]

He is there because he fulfils the minimum requirement of the club's owners as has been said above. The club has become too much of a business entity than a football club . It's not just Wenger who should take the blame but the board aswell. I admire him for what he has done but now its time to move on and he can take some of the board members aswell with him. He will always be a club legend though

Really? So if Leicester or worst of all, the Spuds, finished ahead of us this season, you honestly think he would "always be a club legend"? Based on what? Stuff he achieved about 12 years ago? How about the numerous insults to the fans and the years of lies? Brushed under the carpet? How about deliberately leaving us short every year and conditioning many into believing we should be grateful for annual failure (ie 4th place?)
Just what exactly would Lord A-Hole have to do in your eyes for him to no longer be "a club legend"?

George Graham despite being at a serious financial disadvantage to an all-conquering Liverpool side, never ever waved the white flag and used a category of excuses for failure. Back to Anfield 89, would you trust Wenger to win in that position? The same man who's already waved the white flag against Barca and spent pre match waxing about just how superior to us they are?

Genuinely amazed at this perspective. Like I said - if he fails to win us the weakest ever PL even though there's £200m sitting in the bank, I'd love to see how he could "always be a club legend"...

There is too much negativity among the fans at the moment right from the Emirates going ones. Some of it justified and some of it not like your rant mate. Never compare two eras, doesn't make sense. Plus you are comparing Arsene with a manager who was suspended for accepting bungs. Now I am not belittling Graham's achievements but we have to look at the the whole picture and not just whatever suits us to make our point.
Whatever Wenger's faults and we all know there are quite a few, it's the board that has kept him here. That's why I believe him leaving won't solve the team's problems. The board will appoint someone similar to Arsene. That's why I said both have to go.
I reiterate Arsene will always be a club legend

Ah yes.... it's all the boards fault. Wake up, the board does NOT dictate to Wenger. Wenger delivers EXACTLY want Kroenke wants, the board do not come into it. Wenger is a total despot, he dictates to the board, NOT the other way round.

As things stand it's a mutually beneficial relationship - he turns a profit every year for the board, and in return he gets full control and a chance to try out his 'projects', and an astronomical salary. Actual results mean fuck all

This pussified, 'taking part that counts' mentality around our club where Ramsey, Walcott and 'The Ox' are hailed as heroes absolutely reeks.

The hatred towards Arsene over here..

Sorry we're not licking his arse like the other forums

[DB10GOONER]

i was thinking about why there is so much frustration around Wenger still being the boss and I think this is it - he is still a good manager.
Ok obviously he is not a great manager or even very good, but he manages to do the minimum season after season.
Winning the FA Cup to get himself a new contract was also a masterstroke.
I have no time for the man, hate his guts and wish he would fuck off but...I can also see how he continually manages to con a lot of the fanbase.

this season is panning out as usual with the team bumbling on in 3rd or 4th place and facing another CL exit at the round of 16 stage. the problem Wenger has got this season is that currently Leicester and Spurs are above us and not Man City and Chelsea.
with those 2 above us he is starting to look a bit stupid but....as any AKB wll tell you dont forget we are doing better than Chelsea, Man Utd, City and Liverpool

This is a really good point when it's put like that. Before the usual hysterical mong (we all know which idiot I'm talking about ) tears into you and accuses you of being a Wenger lover, I'd say I agree to an extent.

If an AKB looks at in simplistic black and white terms, Wenger is only ever bettered by maybe 2 or 3 PL managers in any given season, and is better than the other 16 or so managers every season, and when he won the last 2 FA cups only one PL manager bettered him in each of those seasons by winning the PL.

These people don't see the wastefulness of his managerial career, the poorly spent money, the lost opportunities to actually step up and be number 1 again. They don't understand aspiration, ambition or the demand that high ticket prices should (to some extent) deliver on field success. They don't see the stagnation of his managerial career.

They see us finish ahead of the mouser, the scum or manure and win the odd cup and yaaaayyy 1+1=5 and we are better than them and the 15 or 16 teams that are basically fodder in the PL. That is why, on current form, there will never be a large outcry for him to be sacked or resign.

Christ, I'm depressed now.

I agree with Gunner Rob assessment. Also DB10, I thought "personal abuse" was frowned upon on these boards?

It is. Who exactly was personally abused?

[DB10GOONER]

we have to look at the the whole picture and not just whatever suits us to make our point.

Mate - you've obviously never read any of ItchyBaba's previous posts!

[arseofacrow]

we have to look at the the whole picture and not just whatever suits us to make our point.

Mate - you've obviously never read any of ItchyBaba's previous posts!

I love it when new fish come aboard. They always think they can change things.

[DB10GOONER]

we have to look at the the whole picture and not just whatever suits us to make our point.

Mate - you've obviously never read any of ItchyBaba's previous posts!

I love it when new fish come aboard. They always think they can change things.

Give him time. He too will join the dark side. Skyyyyywaaaaaaalkeeeeerrrrr....