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Wilson wrote:Why the assumption another manager couldn't come in and do better? Why always defend Wenger by pointing to failures like Moyes, Neville and LVG. Why not be open to the idea Arsenal could appoint the next Diego Simeone or Pep Guardiola, or even Pochettino?
Yesterday I got really wound up by the mirror story to the point that I actually posted a comment on it Anyway I asked why they always point to the ferguscum situation instead of pointing to the clough situation at forest - there was a once great manager who was allowed to stay on well past his sell by date, and tbh they are still trying to recover now some 20 odd years later
In recent years we have played at away games where the opposition fans taunt us with the "arsene wenger we want you to stay" chant.......is it possible that opposition fans are involved in these "who could we get" or the "be careful what you wish for" comments on these websites ? I know well that there are a large number of tourist/jcl/arsene fc fans out there who would post crap like that, but I still believe that it is likely that there are opposition fans stoking it up by posting pro wenger comments I know earlier in the season I have gone on some of these sites and voted in favour of manure keeping lvg - granted I didn't post a comment, but my thought process was that I wanted it to seem that the manure fans were still behind lvg and I was gonna do my best to keep him there
That was my comment on the mirror (same username). Im replying to all of John Cross's rubbish, he needs to realise he is writing rubbish.
Wilson wrote:
That was my comment on the mirror (same username). Im replying to all of John Cross's rubbish, he needs to realise he is writing rubbish.
He wrote a book on the back of Wenger, so he is always going to defend him in the press. The most critical that he will get is the 'if he doesn't win the title next year, he should go'.
I admit that I find his articles void of any reason, but he probably sees Wenger as a friend now, so he isn't going to bash him any time soon.
Wilson wrote:
That was my comment on the mirror (same username). Im replying to all of John Cross's rubbish, he needs to realise he is writing rubbish.
He wrote a book on the back of Wenger, so he is always going to defend him in the press. The most critical that he will get is the 'if he doesn't win the title next year, he should go'.
I admit that I find his articles void of any reason, but he probably sees Wenger as a friend now, so he isn't going to bash him any time soon.
Yesterday Cross wrote that it was the players secret meeting that had saved the season. Suddenly the season is saved because we drew with Spurs and beat a championship side in Hull. Yet when we lose next, Cross will roe in behind all the other journalists having a pop at the club. He is a complete and utter spineless wanker, no wonder he feels an affinity with Wenger.
As much as we all dislike it the media will judge Wenger at the end of the season or when the mathematical chances of any success are gone, people like John Cross will always give him the benefit of any available doubt.
Fact Arsenal won 4 - 0, the job was done, however the team were looking like a clueless shambles until they were gifted one of the easiet, soft goals you will ever witness.
A real test awaits in the next week, we have a depleted squad and three big games.
Can Wenger write off the cup and play a 2nd string against Watford? I don't think he can, but I don't think he'll have the bottle to put his best team out either and we could end up with another replay.
Can Wenger write off the Barcelona game and play a 2nd string? I would, but his ego won't let him, so we will face an energy sapping night against the best team in the world with little chance of any reward.
Leicester will probably beat Newcastle so we will start next Saturday lunchtime knackered and possibly depleted against Everton away 11pts behind, Wenger is going to be really tested this week and will have to face the music if they don't produce.
any normal manager would play their strongest side v Watford on Sunday and against Everton next Saturday.
a reserve side should be sent to the Nou Camp with the objective of keeping the score down.
that wont happen though, so after we lose to Everton we could very easily be 14 POINTS off the top by 5pm on Saturday 19th March. and if 14 points behind Leicester City when we have had 2 opportunities to strengthen the side in the past year isnt a sackable offence then I dont know what is
Gunner Rob wrote:any normal manager would play their strongest side v Watford on Sunday and against Everton next Saturday.
a reserve side should be sent to the Nou Camp with the objective of keeping the score down.
that wont happen though, so after we lose to Everton we could very easily be 14 POINTS off the top by 5pm on Saturday 19th March. and if 14 points behind Leicester City when we have had 2 opportunities to strengthen the side in the past year isnt a sackable offence then I dont know what is
It's full strength ahead for the Nou Camp, he's already said as much. Wenger will NEVER think like us or do what almost EVERYBODY sees as the right thing. He probably feels deep down that the league is gone and who knows how he feels about the FA cup?? But the CL is a whole new beast in his head. Inexplicably he sees himself as this Colossus striding across the European stage. Not even as a David v Goliath situation either, in his head this is where he and his warriors belong. He will sacrifice the league (gone already anyway) and the FA cup as well, in exchange for a loss with honour at the Nou Camp.
You think about it, poor performances in the league & FA cup are most always blamed on circumstances beyond their control,red cards. poor refereeing, injuries,etc,etc.... but after CL losses he has a pop at the players. He HATES it when they underperform, let him down,in the CL.
He is going to be under IMMENSE pressure should we lose to Everton. That will definitely be the "leetle beet jaded" performance.
Why does anyone think Wenger will be under pressure regardless of results. 1. we don't win the FA cup, Wenger will point to no other manager having won more FA cups than him, or the fact we just won our 2nd FA cup in a row last season. 2. We don't win the league, when has that ever bothered Stan, as long as we make a profit, it's been a successful season. Even if we don't end up making the top 4, the TV money will more than make up for that. The only one deciding when Wenger leaves, is Wenger himself.
BFG4 wrote:Why does anyone think Wenger will be under pressure regardless of results. 1. we don't win the FA cup, Wenger will point to no other manager having won more FA cups than him, or the fact we just won our 2nd FA cup in a row last season. 2. We don't win the league, when has that ever bothered Stan, as long as we make a profit, it's been a successful season. Even if we don't end up making the top 4, the TV money will more than make up for that. The only one deciding when Wenger leaves, is Wenger himself.
I think top 4 is very important for him. And Stan in fact, that income has been promised by Arsene...... fine don't win ANY silverware but I want that CL money. Without that and losing the league to Leicester or spuds will be seen, even by Wenger,as failure. He prides himself on those CL qualifications, he brings it up every chance he gets. Not getting 4th, will be seen by Wenger, as a bigger blow than not winning the league.
Not to qualify for the CL would knock out a major pillar of the be careful what you wish for argument. I think 4th place is still very possible as Munure have these Europa League games and the FA Cup on their plate too. West Ham are in unknown territory but have a manager who won't be phased at all by the pressure, The away game at the Hammers will be a crunch match.
blair207 wrote:Not to qualify for the CL would knock out a major pillar of the be careful what you wish for argument. I think 4th place is still very possible as Munure have these Europa League games and the FA Cup on their plate too. West Ham are in unknown territory but have a manager who won't be phased at all by the pressure, The away game at the Hammers will be a crunch match.
Who cares, I hope we don't get there. Why do you want us to be in a competition that we have zero chance of winning and also impacts negatively on our domestic competitions??? It will also have the added bonus of completely knocking Wenger's legs out from under him. No FA cup, lose the league to Leicester and no CL.... try spinning that.
TOF's obsession with winning the Be All and End All with bang average players and an absence of logical tactics is, I believe, a large part of what is keeping him here and putting us through this purgatory.
Eighteen seasons in a row getting the VT, but only one CL final to show for it. The man is an utter failure in Europe.
We all know how this season plays out. An FA Cup win is a bonus with this madman in charge. I want three in a row, as that's the best it can get under TOF now. The self-harmer will be happy to chuck the FA Cup - the league is practically gone, which is an abomination in itself - for a 1% chance of beating UEFAlona. The man is insane.
blair207 wrote:Not to qualify for the CL would knock out a major pillar of the be careful what you wish for argument. I think 4th place is still very possible as Munure have these Europa League games and the FA Cup on their plate too. West Ham are in unknown territory but have a manager who won't be phased at all by the pressure, The away game at the Hammers will be a crunch match.
We are the no. 1 example of a side in the competition to make up the numbers. It's March now, and I can tell you how our group next season will go. We will be in with two shit teams, and one slightly above average team(Bayern this season being the exception) and we will be better than the shit teams to finish 2nd, and be destroyed by the bigger teams in the last 16. The best way to view the CL is, we didn't win it with Henry, Vieira etc. so how would our current group of bottlers win it. I can understand the board loving the competition but why our fan-base gets excited by it is beyond me.
I gave Wenger hell on a Martin Samuel article in the DM on Monday, this is the response.
"He most certainly hasn't destroyed Arsenal, and to reach the Champions League 17 years straight is one hell of an achievement. Manchester United haven' t done it, neither have Bayern Munich or AC Milan. I've got to admit, I'm with Wenger on this, I find the constant speculation over whether he is doing a good or bad job very boring. I cannot remember the last time I went on the Sunday Supplement when we didn't spend at least one segment of the show discussing whether Wenger had lost it, or whether this was going to be Arsenal's season. It's a constant cycle of boom and bust. One minute, in Wenger we trust; the next he's ruined the club. As for his views on Leicester and Barcelona, he's right on both counts. Leicester are proving it's not all about money; Barcelona' s success shows it rather helps if you have it, though. And before I am accused of being another journalist who never calls him on his opinions, here is an excerpt from a column in The Times, from 2003, in the aftermath of the famous Battle of Old Trafford, when Arsenal's indiscipline was at its height – but so was their football. And strangely no Arsenal fan wanted Wenger calling on anything then.
Isn't it just the most typical journalistic bullshit. WHY do they all think reaching the CL for 17 straight years is a greater accomplishment that actually winning the thing?? These people are insane, and driving me insane.They are so disingenuous with EVERY answer, they never confront your concerns head on.I would love to ask, What is the greater achievement, qualifying 10 times in 18 years and winning it 3 times or qualifying 17 years in a row and coming close once and being totally irrelevant in the other 16??? Why qualifying of course, after all, it's not the winning it's the taking part.
xisstential wrote:I gave Wenger hell on a Martin Samuel article in the DM on Monday, this is the response.
"He most certainly hasn't destroyed Arsenal, and to reach the Champions League 17 years straight is one hell of an achievement. Manchester United haven' t done it, neither have Bayern Munich or AC Milan. I've got to admit, I'm with Wenger on this, I find the constant speculation over whether he is doing a good or bad job very boring. I cannot remember the last time I went on the Sunday Supplement when we didn't spend at least one segment of the show discussing whether Wenger had lost it, or whether this was going to be Arsenal's season. It's a constant cycle of boom and bust. One minute, in Wenger we trust; the next he's ruined the club. As for his views on Leicester and Barcelona, he's right on both counts. Leicester are proving it's not all about money; Barcelona' s success shows it rather helps if you have it, though. And before I am accused of being another journalist who never calls him on his opinions, here is an excerpt from a column in The Times, from 2003, in the aftermath of the famous Battle of Old Trafford, when Arsenal's indiscipline was at its height – but so was their football. And strangely no Arsenal fan wanted Wenger calling on anything then.
Isn't it just the most typical journalistic bullshit. WHY do they all think reaching the CL for 17 straight years is a greater accomplishment that actually winning the thing?? These people are insane, and driving me insane.They are so disingenuous with EVERY answer, they never confront your concerns head on.I would love to ask, What is the greater achievement, qualifying 10 times in 18 years and winning it 3 times or qualifying 17 years in a row and coming close once and being totally irrelevant in the other 16??? Why qualifying of course, after all, it's not the winning it's the taking part.
And it's not even a cycle of boom and bust. It's not knee-jerk reactions to every defeat like some clubs' fans but genuine, frustrated anger and honest want-him-gone feeling. Ask the fans, the real fans and we'll tell you that he needs to go and has needed to go for eight fucking years. Fucking propaganda, fucking disgrace.
Anyway I asked why they always point to the ferguscum situation instead of pointing to the clough situation at forest - there was a once great manager who was allowed to stay on well past his sell by date, and tbh they are still trying to recover now some 20 odd years later
thing?? These people are insane, and driving me insane.They are so disingenuous with EVERY answer, they never confront your concerns head on.I would love to ask, What is the greater achievement, qualifying 10 times in 18 years and winning it 3 times or qualifying 17 years in a row and coming close once and being totally irrelevant in the other 16??? Why qualifying of course, after all, it's not the winning it's the taking part. 
