THE WENGER THREAD

[amazonas]

Those Kroenke quotes seem to been blown a bit out of proportions ey?

I want the guy out by all means, but what he is saying in this particular interview is rather a critique of the oil money vs having a club that can stand on its own feet.

Before anyone blames me for not being able to read between the lines I definately see the advantages in having an owner who gives a shit about the club. Surely the best thing would be not to have one at all.
Before there is a concensus among our English fans I see no point in selling off your season tickets if you want to continue going to games, that is an individual assessment. When that consensus comes and it will if nothing changes, thats when protests can have an effect, but right now the club is too big. People like Kroenke will fight the world on his own like a stubborn child, we have seen english thycoons and these men are all the same.

What we need now is a manager who demands something from his team who has authority, so yes I really think a change in that seat can shake things up, our financials are sound and so if Kroenke (the utter filth of the earth) remains in the background I dont see why an ambitious coach shouldnt go ahead and make the football great again.

On a second more bleak note, Money changes people, a lot of money changes people a lot, players are not the same anymore... It might be that the beautiful game is lost...Until the revolution that is

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Wenger out!!!!!

[Leyton Gooner]

I think his latest comments have confirmed what we knew already. However much pressure the media (and minority of fans) put on him, the stubborn old *word censored* is going nowhere. He won't be sacked either.

Four more years four more years four more years

[Ikechukwu1]

http://www.football365.com/news/arsene- ... -and-dirty

An explanation?

[Ikechukwu1]

A mate that went yesterday informs me that the Watford fans were chanting "there's only one Arsene Wenger" in the 75th minute

The chant now more likely to be heard at the Bridge, Shite Lane and even Vicarage road. I reckon the Nou Camp will be singing it also come Wednesday

[Gunner Rob]

this is just getting ridiculous
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2624 ... ramming-UK

[rodders999]

Bar the two Manchester clubs at home this season what has been offered up at the space bowl has been absolute dross for the most part. Whether or not you believe that by going you're endorsing the manager/board the one thing that is absolutely undeniable is that you're paying top dollar to sit there and watch an absolute shambles of an outfit every other week.

[SPUDMASHER]

Having read through the last couple of pages there seems to be a general feeling that the best way to force change on the club is to refuse to buy a ticket and/or renew your season ticket. Personally I'd like to think this would work but the reality is that it will never happen. If you knew you could then go and buy it back again once the changes had been made then it would definitely work. However, the reality is that you can't. You'll have to go on the waiting list again and it'll be several years before you get the chance to own one again. Supporters won't want that. What is the point of enforcing change to a brand new world when you then cannot go and enjoy that world?

That is what will prevent the manager being forced out by fan power!


One of the biggest problems we have is that AW is involved in the clubs finances. At any other club the manager tells the board which players he would like and they then try to get them. The board makes the decision on whether they can afford them or not once the negotiations are done. At Arsenal however the manager states who he wants, how much he considers them to be worth and what price he is prepared to go to. That's wrong! He is a football manager, not a club accountant. His job is to deliver the best team he can with the resources made available, not to decide what those resources are.
How many times have we seen Arsenal go after a player and then withdraw once the host club wants more than he is prepared to pay? Where's the stomach for that negotiation? How many times have we gone for a player who has also been subject to a slightly higher bid from another club and we've withdrawn without a fight? All of this is because AW has too much control in that area. Sure there should be some consultation in the respect that we have 'x' amount of money who would you prefer from your list? and there is a balance to find but he should not be the decision maker financially. Until that changes the club doesn't change.

My concern is that when he decides to call it a day, because that is when he is leaving and not a day before, he will move upstairs and his role will almost certainly involve that part of the business. He will become the new David Dien. The new manager will likely be crippled by the same financial decision making process that we are frustrated by today.

[enjibenji]

After 25 years of support and traveling to games I have nothing left to give to the club whilst this man and board are in charge. I never ever felt that I would feel nothing for the club I love, but there is the issue in its self in that its not the club I grew up to love.

I have spent more and more time avoiding the games and going to watch my local side play week in and week out (home and away) and I enjoy that a lot more than watching the people that represent the arsenal.

A horrible shame, but whilst 11 people on the pitch and the people that run our club don't give a shit then why should I.

[xisstential]

The "judge me at the end of the season" comment is absolutely bizarre for me What will there be left to judge him on after this week ? We are gone out of the fa cup and will be gone out of the money league on Wednesday night, so surely now is the time to judge him on those. All that is left then to be judged on is the league and surely he isn't stupid/mad enough to believe that Leicester AND the scum will screw up enough to let us win the league does he ? If not then all he will have to aim for is the never ending top 4 virtual trophy........does he really believe that the fans will be ok with him and the players celebrating finishing in the top 4 like they did in Newcastle a few years ago ?? Even finishing second in this piss poor league will be seen as massive failure by the vast majority of fans, so redemption wont come there either

I don't think we will be beaten at everton next weekend cos the cu.nt always gets a big result when he is under serious pressure - however IF we do get beaten, then the season is over for wenker (it is already over for most of us) and there will be no deflecting until the end of the season

Why??? You should know by now, he gets judged by whether he got us ungrateful ingrates into the CL or not. I personally believe that is ALL Kroenke requires of him, so in his mind if he gets 4th, the season is a success. Why can't you ungrateful pricks understand that??

No "manager of the month" yet for him this season but a leetle unbeaten run in April, when all this silly talk of trophies is a distant memory, could change all that

[Robin_L]

nutflush gooner and Block93 please remember that you are now part of a small elite group of people able to ensure that Mr Wenger still has a job. I am sure that you will whole heatedly support him once again this summer.

I can't figure it out myself but if you think that he is the best man for the job then fair enough.
Hope you enjoy next season.

How pathetic you have a jibe against anyone who wants to carry on supporting the club. Who said I supported Wenger, if you actually learned how to read you would know I want Wenger out but not renewing the season ticket will not even make 0.000001% of a difference. I have said before going to football is a social occasion with me chance to catch up with mates, old work colleagues and business associates. And you have the barefaced cheek to come out with shit like this.

Even if 10,000 gooners did the same, they would be replaced by local plastics (have you seen how wealthy highbury is these days) and football tourists.

sorry but I dont equate propping up a corrupt regime with "supporting the club". Your attitude strikes me of someone who is living in the past.
you are just playing into Kroenke's hands, and I am afraid that by giving him money you ensure Wenger remains.
Kroenke has even come out and said that he is not at Arsenal to win trophies, and you have come out and said that you go to Arsenal to catch up with your mates. Surely therefore that makes you as much of a football tourist as the ones you moan about?

I go to some games yes, but if everyone stopped paying for their tickets up to a year in advance then the whole charade would come crashing down like a pack of playing cards. Other clubs supporters force change on their owners, yet all I hear from Arsenal supporters is "we are incapable of that". Well just maybe that is why the team is incapable of winning the league.

The club won't always have a ready made fanbase to call on either - "tourists" will soon have brand new shiny stadiums at West Ham and Spurs to go to. I remember going to Highbury in the 1980s and there were just 17,000 for a league match! I fear that again might be the future if people don't start trying to force this current regime out.

I am living in the past when you are comparing our fan base with that of the 80s. Are you some sort of deluded fool? With the exception of Liverpool in the 80s, 90% of football fans including Arsenal's came from the local catchment area.

I hate to tell you this but we are now a globally supported club with a national following. The Manchester supporters club alone has 1500 members, a lot of them go to the games home and away. Our membership is well over 100k, with the season ticket waiting list even if half of them decline the option is still 30,000 strong and some.

All of this conspires to Arsenal never having a problem selling out their matches. Even if there are empty seats at the emirates its not because the seats aren't sold its because our fans decide not to turn up for the odd game.

I love it how you are trying to use democratic processes to force change, when the reality Arsenal is now a dictatorship. You either like it or lump it. Jumping on this bandwagon calling for other gooners to forgo their season tickets is ridiculous especially when as you have stated you only go to a handful of games. I am most certainly not taking that.

As I said previously, football is a social occasion which more than makes up for the shit we get served on the pitch.

Hear hear. Well said that man.

I do think the exit strategy is well underway with Wenger anyway, presumably the players are aware of this too and have lost motivation to play for him as a result.

[augie]

The "judge me at the end of the season" comment is absolutely bizarre for me What will there be left to judge him on after this week ? We are gone out of the fa cup and will be gone out of the money league on Wednesday night, so surely now is the time to judge him on those. All that is left then to be judged on is the league and surely he isn't stupid/mad enough to believe that Leicester AND the scum will screw up enough to let us win the league does he ? If not then all he will have to aim for is the never ending top 4 virtual trophy........does he really believe that the fans will be ok with him and the players celebrating finishing in the top 4 like they did in Newcastle a few years ago ?? Even finishing second in this piss poor league will be seen as massive failure by the vast majority of fans, so redemption wont come there either

I don't think we will be beaten at everton next weekend cos the cu.nt always gets a big result when he is under serious pressure - however IF we do get beaten, then the season is over for wenker (it is already over for most of us) and there will be no deflecting until the end of the season

Why??? You should know by now, he gets judged by whether he got us ungrateful ingrates into the CL or not. I personally believe that is ALL Kroenke requires of him, so in his mind if he gets 4th, the season is a success. Why can't you ungrateful pricks understand that??

No "manager of the month" yet for him this season but a leetle unbeaten run in April, when all this silly talk of trophies is a distant memory, could change all that

I understand that he considers top 4 to be a great achievement, and I know that all kroenke wants is that top 4 spot, but this time around he will know that there is no way that the fans will be satisfied merely with a top 4 finish - he may well view the fans as ungrateful, but the reality is that he will know how angry the fans will be and he will (hopefully) feel their backlash so it will be irrelevant whether he views the season as a success or not

[Theoperator]

Yup, nothing will change, the arsene roadshow just steams on

Enjoy the pic guys, not the football

Have to say that if Victim fans can organise a walkout that makes a point and changes things with ticket prices its about time we had the testicles to do the same. Leave 11 minutes before the end to signify the number of league nearly theres that should have beens perhaps, or just wave your kleenex tissues....

Steam on. (The flying Scotsman as in take a flying..... Arsene

[xisstential]

The "judge me at the end of the season" comment is absolutely bizarre for me What will there be left to judge him on after this week ? We are gone out of the fa cup and will be gone out of the money league on Wednesday night, so surely now is the time to judge him on those. All that is left then to be judged on is the league and surely he isn't stupid/mad enough to believe that Leicester AND the scum will screw up enough to let us win the league does he ? If not then all he will have to aim for is the never ending top 4 virtual trophy........does he really believe that the fans will be ok with him and the players celebrating finishing in the top 4 like they did in Newcastle a few years ago ?? Even finishing second in this piss poor league will be seen as massive failure by the vast majority of fans, so redemption wont come there either

I don't think we will be beaten at everton next weekend cos the cu.nt always gets a big result when he is under serious pressure - however IF we do get beaten, then the season is over for wenker (it is already over for most of us) and there will be no deflecting until the end of the season

Why??? You should know by now, he gets judged by whether he got us ungrateful ingrates into the CL or not. I personally believe that is ALL Kroenke requires of him, so in his mind if he gets 4th, the season is a success. Why can't you ungrateful pricks understand that??



No "manager of the month" yet for him this season but a leetle unbeaten run in April, when all this silly talk of trophies is a distant memory, could change all that

I understand that he considers top 4 to be a great achievement, and I know that all kroenke wants is that top 4 spot, but this time around he will know that there is no way that the fans will be satisfied merely with a top 4 finish - he may well view the fans as ungrateful, but the reality is that he will know how angry the fans will be and he will (hopefully) feel their backlash so it will be irrelevant whether he views the season as a success or not

He does not give a rats A$$ what we think, he has made that perfectly clear. Having said that he will still have legions of fans back on board if he gets 4th. These guys seem to think that is some kind of trophy. I find that so bizarre?? For me the CL represents the following.... Wenger, his followers & Kroenke, seeing it as a success... money into the club that doesn't get spent on players.... fixtures that weaken us in our domestic trials... participating in a competition we have zero chance of winning and are only there to make up the numbers.
I really hope we don't make 4th this season. THAT, will really bring pressure, not from the fans, but from the only people who matter at the club these days, Kroenke & the board. A financial hit will get their attention.

[silus]

Should be a walk out with 20mins left (or however bloody long he's been here). At least we'll know how many in the ground are AKB/WOB....means us wobs will be first to the pub, and the akbs will have to stay to the end or else add to the walk out.

Either way...I'm starting to believe the end is nigh gentlemen