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I Hate Hleb
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brazilianGOONER wrote:
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augie wrote:Bg, wenger is a very very poor tactician and make no mistake about it however what I said is that his tactics didnt cost us in paris 2006
mate, if he is a very very poor tactician like you say and our defence was flamini, senderos, touré and eboué, how the fuck we got to the final and that was the best defence in the history of the champions league??? or you admit they were excellent players our you admit our defensive tactics were excellent. which one, mate?

OH! I KNOW! wenger is surely the luckiest manager alive :roll:
i still haven't got an answer for that
skipper wrote:
brazilianGOONER wrote:
augie wrote:Bg, wenger is a very very poor tactician and make no mistake about it however what I said is that his tactics didnt cost us in paris 2006
mate, if he is a very very poor tactician like you say and our defence was flamini, senderos, touré and eboué, how the fuck we got to the final and that was the best defence in the history of the champions league??? or you admit they were excellent players our you admit our defensive tactics were excellent. which one, mate?

OH! I KNOW! wenger is surely the luckiest manager alive :roll:
Martin Keown was defence coach at the time :barscarf:


You did get an answer Brazilian. But maybe, imitating your hero Wenger, 'you didn't see it'!!! :oops: :lol: :lol: :wink:

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brazilianGOONER wrote:
brazilianGOONER wrote:
augie wrote:Bg, wenger is a very very poor tactician and make no mistake about it however what I said is that his tactics didnt cost us in paris 2006
mate, if he is a very very poor tactician like you say and our defence was flamini, senderos, touré and eboué, how the fuck we got to the final and that was the best defence in the history of the champions league??? or you admit they were excellent players our you admit our defensive tactics were excellent. which one, mate?

OH! I KNOW! wenger is surely the luckiest manager alive :roll:
i still haven't got an answer for that
Then you should go back to page 6 and pay bit more attention. :oops:


Cheers IHH :wink:

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Post by brazilianGOONER »

ow, come on, you all know it's not that simple.

or maybe let's make dennis bergkamp teach theo walcott how he can score 30 goals a season? :?

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brazilianGOONER wrote:or maybe let's make dennis bergkamp teach theo walcott how he can score 30 goals a season? :?
Yes, good idea! :barscarf: :lol:

I would also suggest Seaman returns to teach Almunia how to be a 'keeper, but I think Seaman would have more luck teaching Eboue! :oops: :roll: :lol:

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brazilianGOONER wrote:ow, come on, you all know it's not that simple.

or maybe let's make dennis bergkamp teach theo walcott how he can score 30 goals a season? :?
Well you asked a specific question and were given a specific answer!! Maybe the reason an Arsenal defence made up of Eboue, Senderos, Toure and Flamini - who even their own mothers wouldn't say were 'excellent players' in those positions - had such a good record was because they got coached by someone, Keown, that was an excellent defender and knew what he was talking about. :shock: It really is that simple!!! :shock: :roll: :lol: :wink:

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Post by digger »

Brazzy, if you want an example:

John Terry is fucking rubbish.

No pace
Can't pass
Loves a cynical foul

But he's really difficult to play against. The rest of his defence know what he's going to do, and he gives 110%. Although Vermaelen may have more pace, a sweeter left foot, better finishing ability, Terry will stop the other side more often.

Some of the tackles, cynical fouls and hoofed clearances in the run up to the CL final were outstanding.

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I Hate Hleb wrote:
brazilianGOONER wrote:ow, come on, you all know it's not that simple.

or maybe let's make dennis bergkamp teach theo walcott how he can score 30 goals a season? :?
Well you asked a specific question and were given a specific answer!! Maybe the reason an Arsenal defence made up of Eboue, Senderos, Toure and Flamini - who even their own mothers wouldn't say were 'excellent players' in those positions - had such a good record was because they got coached by someone, Keown, that was an excellent defender and knew what he was talking about. :shock: Maybe it really is that simple!!! :shock: :roll: :lol: :wink:
Sometimes things just go your way, and the fact we've been so, so ridiculously poor defensively both before and after that run of clean sheets suggests to me that it was..... dare I say it.... A FLUKE! :oops: :oops: :lol: :wink:

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Post by Its Up 4 Grabs Now »

Lets not forget Bert’s part in it either - a midfield anchorman whose role was to sit in front of the back four offering it protection, who… wait for it… sat in front of the back for and offered it protection! :shock:

Plus our ability to keep possession was a form of defence in itself. Pretty hard for the opposition to hurt you if they don’t have the ball. These days we generally have at least 2 or 3 players in the side at any one time whose passing & control is erratic at best, shite at worst - hence too often we give the ball away a lot more cheaply.

Wenger’s never really been much of a tactician as such & his/our own players have practically said as much in the past. Pretty sure it was Cesc a season or 2 ago who said Wenger never has the team study how the opposition plays or even makes any reference at all either to how to counter another team’s specific tactics or style of play, how to impose our own game when the opposition wont let us or how to stop a specific player etc. He pretty much says the same thing before every game no matter who we’re playing, along the lines of “just go out & play.â€

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