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SteveO 35 wrote:The simple fact is that players want to better their careers. With Nasri I don't think it's all about the money.
He played for arguably the top side in France and was a success, so he moved to Arsenal - a bigger club in a better league. But we are not amongst Europe's elite and never will be until we start winning our domestic league on a more regular basis and stick a European trophy or two in the cabinet.
So the cycle goes on - he's done well enough at Arsenal despite what anyone says to attract the attention of bigger clubs than us; of which AC Milan are most definitely one, and Manchester United another.
Then if he does well there and Barca / Real come calling - who is to say he won't do the same again.
Despite what the most passionate of Gooners might think, why should the guy by loyal to a club whose sole ambition is to finish 4th and get to the last eight of major cup competitions, when he can sign for a club that will put medals in his cabinet.
If Cahill joined from Bolton or Samba from Blackburn...does that make them mercenary c**ts too ??
Exactly right.
Give me 3 reasons why Nasri should stay
1
2
3
Ok I will try…
He has a good song
The fans love him
I am struggling for the 3rd
Now 3 reasons why he should leave
We have no ambition
We don’t sign quality players
He has never won anything and never will at Arsenal.
Lets not forget he will get 115k a week if he leaves.
mikeyb772001 wrote:As I have said before I don’t blame him in the slightest. He is a quality player (yes I know for half a season) but a quality player that can win you games if need be. He is also the kind of player that should be playing with other quality players and not out of position.
He should also be in a team that has ambition and a will to win trophies. Not a team full of c**ts, run by c**ts owned by c**ts that is happy to make profit year after year securing 4th spot.
There is no way players like Nasri would contemplate leaving if we were winning titles (regardless of wages) Trust me I wish my mind could by wiped and some rich fucker tell me to support Manure and I will pay 30mil and give you 115k a week to do so.
Why should he stay? What great times as he had with us
Are we trying our best to sign world class players to play along side him?
Are we ambitious or do we just want to make money for the board and for the old cretin Wenger!
Players like Nasri know what’s going on, the manager is a joke and that his plans have failed. Just look at the way the media and the rest of the football world talk about us. We are a laughing stock.
So yeh I cant blame him for jumping ship. Unfortunately for us we cant do that.
So wages have nothing to do with it? Is that why Tevez left a trophy winning team to join Manchester City? Or the reason Rooney wanted to leave United? Or Ronaldo left United and joined Real Madrid just to win the Spanish Cup?
mikeyb772001 wrote:As I have said before I don’t blame him in the slightest. He is a quality player (yes I know for half a season) but a quality player that can win you games if need be. He is also the kind of player that should be playing with other quality players and not out of position.
He should also be in a team that has ambition and a will to win trophies. Not a team full of c**ts, run by c**ts owned by c**ts that is happy to make profit year after year securing 4th spot.
There is no way players like Nasri would contemplate leaving if we were winning titles (regardless of wages) Trust me I wish my mind could by wiped and some rich fucker tell me to support Manure and I will pay 30mil and give you 115k a week to do so.
Why should he stay? What great times as he had with us
Are we trying our best to sign world class players to play along side him?
Are we ambitious or do we just want to make money for the board and for the old cretin Wenger!
Players like Nasri know what’s going on, the manager is a joke and that his plans have failed. Just look at the way the media and the rest of the football world talk about us. We are a laughing stock.
So yeh I cant blame him for jumping ship. Unfortunately for us we cant do that.
So wages have nothing to do with it? Is that why Tevez left a trophy winning team to join Manchester City? Or the reason Rooney wanted to leave United? Or Ronaldo left United and joined Real Madrid just to win the Spanish Cup?
No, wages have everything to do with this.
Tevez yes thats true. But Ronaldo had won 3 leauges and 2 champions leauges. Rooney has won just about everything apart from the emirates cup.
Most of the Chav and Manure first team stayed for years without moving, the usual key players not going anywhere.
Money plays a part yes, but really he is leaving as he wants to be a winner not a well paid loser
I personally think we'll see both Nasri and Fabs in Arsenal shirts next year. The only thing I don't want is if he signs a new contract, decides to stay and says he was a little miffed (as we all are) at the direction of the club and that is why he wanted to speak to le boss yadda yadda yadda, is that the prawn sandwich brigade don't constantly boo him as we have a nack for doing for some reason. Just let it go, sing his name and hope he is in the same vain of form as he was at the first half of this season. Shrek did way worse than ANY other player we've had do shit to us (apart from maybe Cashley, but it's level pegging) and they cheer him all day long and he is great for them because of it! I've never booed a player that plays for us, no chance and hate hearing it!
Although if he does force his way out, he is a little c*nt because one half a good year and holding us to ransom after kissing the badge at the lane etc aint on!!! But we'll see, I think he's just a bit annoyed at what's happened this year and wenger will sort it out. If not piss off to barca or madrid, but fucking forget about united!!!
mikeyb772001 wrote:piresistible wrote: mikeyb772001 wrote: As I have said before I don’t blame him in the slightest. He is a quality player (yes I know for half a season) but a quality player that can win you games if need be. He is also the kind of player that should be playing with other quality players and not out of position.
He should also be in a team that has ambition and a will to win trophies. Not a team full of c**ts, run by c**ts owned by c**ts that is happy to make profit year after year securing 4th spot.
There is no way players like Nasri would contemplate leaving if we were winning titles (regardless of wages) Trust me I wish my mind could by wiped and some rich fucker tell me to support Manure and I will pay 30mil and give you 115k a week to do so.
Why should he stay? What great times as he had with us
Are we trying our best to sign world class players to play along side him?
Are we ambitious or do we just want to make money for the board and for the old cretin Wenger!
Players like Nasri know what’s going on, the manager is a joke and that his plans have failed. Just look at the way the media and the rest of the football world talk about us. We are a laughing stock.
So yeh I cant blame him for jumping ship. Unfortunately for us we cant do that.
So wages have nothing to do with it? Is that why Tevez left a trophy winning team to join Manchester City? Or the reason Rooney wanted to leave United? Or Ronaldo left United and joined Real Madrid just to win the Spanish Cup?
No, wages have everything to do with this.
Tevez yes thats true. But Ronaldo had won 3 leauges and 2 champions leauges. Rooney has won just about everything apart from the emirates cup.
Most of the Chav and Manure first team stayed for years without moving, the usual key players not going anywhere.
Money plays a part yes, but really he is leaving as he wants to be a winner not a well paid loser
Don't quite get the reasoning on the Rooney debacle, you say he wanted to leave manu cos he had won everything there and just wanted another challenge hence it had nothing to do with money?
So why did he end up staying?
Could have been that they gave him a skip load of more money!
It's all about money and anyone who thinks different is deluded or a hopeless football romantic.
I accept this and understand it but you can't lay much blame on the players IMO, their agents do ALL contract negotiations and give them the interview quotes for tv, radio and magazine interviews.
If a player really wanted to stay with a particular club and relayed this to his agent then that would indeed make it a far smoother contract negotiation but these agents are far smarter than their clients and will manipulate the situation, after all it's how they make more money for themselves.
mikeyb772001 wrote:As I have said before I don’t blame him in the slightest. He is a quality player (yes I know for half a season) but a quality player that can win you games if need be. He is also the kind of player that should be playing with other quality players and not out of position.
He should also be in a team that has ambition and a will to win trophies. Not a team full of c**ts, run by c**ts owned by c**ts that is happy to make profit year after year securing 4th spot.
There is no way players like Nasri would contemplate leaving if we were winning titles (regardless of wages) Trust me I wish my mind could by wiped and some rich fucker tell me to support Manure and I will pay 30mil and give you 115k a week to do so.
Why should he stay? What great times as he had with us
Are we trying our best to sign world class players to play along side him?
Are we ambitious or do we just want to make money for the board and for the old cretin Wenger!
Players like Nasri know what’s going on, the manager is a joke and that his plans have failed. Just look at the way the media and the rest of the football world talk about us. We are a laughing stock.
So yeh I cant blame him for jumping ship. Unfortunately for us we cant do that.
So wages have nothing to do with it? Is that why Tevez left a trophy winning team to join Manchester City? Or the reason Rooney wanted to leave United? Or Ronaldo left United and joined Real Madrid just to win the Spanish Cup?
No, wages have everything to do with this.
Tevez yes thats true. But Ronaldo had won 3 leauges and 2 champions leauges. Rooney has won just about everything apart from the emirates cup.
Most of the Chav and Manure first team stayed for years without moving, the usual key players not going anywhere.
Money plays a part yes, but really he is leaving as he wants to be a winner not a well paid loser
Oh OK, so you’re saying that Ronaldo and Rooney don’t count because they’ve already won trophies? Why on earth wouldn’t they want to win more?
I mean, you’re not happy that we won a double years ago, you want more trophies, if trophies mean so much to footballers why don’t they stay where they’ll win more?
Anyway, you’ve twisted my words, I never said he should stay loyal to the club, just that it’s painfully obvious he’s being a mercenary.
And no, neither Cahill nor Samba have deliberately run down their contracts and promised daily to sign a new one, before leaving on a massively reduced fee to ensure they get a greater slice of the cash. So that wouldn’t make them “mercenary cuntsâ€
We have no ambition
We don’t sign quality players
He has never won anything and never will at Arsenal.
Lets not forget he will get 115k a week if he leaves.
Not hard choice really[/quote]
I totally agree with you. We are not exactly building a great case for him to stay. Too many players have left over recent years, or have wanted too. Are they all wrong?
Maybe he is holding out for more money or a different role in the team. We will find out one way or another soon.
mikeyb772001 wrote:piresistible wrote: mikeyb772001 wrote: As I have said before I don’t blame him in the slightest. He is a quality player (yes I know for half a season) but a quality player that can win you games if need be. He is also the kind of player that should be playing with other quality players and not out of position.
He should also be in a team that has ambition and a will to win trophies. Not a team full of c**ts, run by c**ts owned by c**ts that is happy to make profit year after year securing 4th spot.
There is no way players like Nasri would contemplate leaving if we were winning titles (regardless of wages) Trust me I wish my mind could by wiped and some rich fucker tell me to support Manure and I will pay 30mil and give you 115k a week to do so.
Why should he stay? What great times as he had with us
Are we trying our best to sign world class players to play along side him?
Are we ambitious or do we just want to make money for the board and for the old cretin Wenger!
Players like Nasri know what’s going on, the manager is a joke and that his plans have failed. Just look at the way the media and the rest of the football world talk about us. We are a laughing stock.
So yeh I cant blame him for jumping ship. Unfortunately for us we cant do that.
So wages have nothing to do with it? Is that why Tevez left a trophy winning team to join Manchester City? Or the reason Rooney wanted to leave United? Or Ronaldo left United and joined Real Madrid just to win the Spanish Cup?
No, wages have everything to do with this.
Tevez yes thats true. But Ronaldo had won 3 leauges and 2 champions leauges. Rooney has won just about everything apart from the emirates cup.
Most of the Chav and Manure first team stayed for years without moving, the usual key players not going anywhere.
Money plays a part yes, but really he is leaving as he wants to be a winner not a well paid loser
Don't quite get the reasoning on the Rooney debacle, you say he wanted to leave manu cos he had won everything there and just wanted another challenge hence it had nothing to do with money?
So why did he end up staying?
Could have been that they gave him a skip load of more money!
It's all about money and anyone who thinks different is deluded or a hopeless football romantic.
I accept this and understand it but you can't lay much blame on the players IMO, their agents do ALL contract negotiations and give them the interview quotes for tv, radio and magazine interviews.
If a player really wanted to stay with a particular club and relayed this to his agent then that would indeed make it a far smoother contract negotiation but these agents are far smarter than their clients and will manipulate the situation, after all it's how they make more money for themselves.
Yes with certain *word censored* it has got to do with money.
But what about players like Drogba, Terry, lamapard, Ferdinand , scholes, gigs, essien, van da sar , park , evra , Cole , Ferriera? You never see “that many key playersâ€
If the Nasri debacle does nothing else but makes more people question the manager and his ability to keep our best players, then perhaps something good will come of all this. Remember when we used to be spoon fed the line that "if Wenger goes, then the top players will follow him out the door"? Seems like the opposite is true now. The list of reasons for retaining the services of Wenger are reducing by the day.
I agree Flash, and a very good point Thomas!
Wenger's 'love-in' for his players, where there's never any bollockings, pay rises for winning naff all, playing time even if you're playing shite............it's just not enough to keep the top players happy. All that happens is we lose our best players every other season and are left with the dross.
You can almost see the signings Wenger will make now -
The empire is most definitely crumbling and finally, after many years, this coming season will be the breaking point, even for the board.......in my opinion.
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Some are missing the point. I think Nasri is a *word censored* for letting his contract run down.
But I don’t blame him. He cant win trophies here, he is playing in a team with no ambition full of losers with a manager who has fat kid mum sports day mentality.
The only thing he can do is soften the blow is demand more money as he wont get fuck all else staying. Truth be knows I would prefer him to go as that 115k wage will take money out of our 10 mil transfer kitty this year.
As I said in previous post.
Give me 3 reasons why he should stay with us?
Money
Good song
??????????????? oh yeh wenger is like a father and we always finish 4th
Or go manure.
Taste real glory
Earn 115k a week
Play with winners
Don't quite get the reasoning on the Rooney debacle, you say he wanted to leave manu cos he had won everything there and just wanted another challenge hence it had nothing to do with money?
So why did he end up staying?
Could have been that they gave him a skip load of more money!
It's all about money and anyone who thinks different is deluded or a hopeless football romantic.
I accept this and understand it but you can't lay much blame on the players IMO, their agents do ALL contract negotiations and give them the interview quotes for tv, radio and magazine interviews.
If a player really wanted to stay with a particular club and relayed this to his agent then that would indeed make it a far smoother contract negotiation but these agents are far smarter than their clients and will manipulate the situation, after all it's how they make more money for themselves.
Yes with certain c**ts it has got to do with money.
But what about players like Drogba, Terry, lamapard, Ferdinand , scholes, gigs, essien, van da sar , park , evra , Cole , Ferriera? You never see “that many key playersâ€
The fact of the matter is, he wanted to leave, and only when Manchester United offered him a new contract and increased his wages by 50% did he decide to stay.
I don’t think there on that much when compared to people like Rooney , Torres and Ronaldo.
Point is , not many key players leave Manure or the chavs. Even Manures fringe players do a great job and they are not on high wages. They stay as they want to be winners and when given the chance they give there all for the team.
Since 2005 when the project started how many players have left arsenal. You cant say everyone was about money. They cant openly say I am leaving as I don’t trust wenger or because the club lacks ambition and trophies.
Most of the players leave for a combination of more money and too become winners.
