As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Midz wrote:I'd like to see him turn on a similar performance to what he did at City for a few games before talking about a new contract.
Maybe AW could give him until the summer to prove himself.
Exactly - go back to the first few pages and you will see that I am one of the few that had real hopes for this guy, but to award/reward him with a new contract on the back of one good MONTH is madness. If a manager doesn't rate a player and continually sends him out on loan, then why would that same manager want to keep him at the club ? What would be the point in that ? Our club has a disgraceful record in recent years of giving out new deals to players that haven't earned them and to this point, this is following a similar path - what kind of message doesn't it send to our younger players, if a player only has to play well in one month out of a 3 year deal to warrant a new deal ?
Hold on. Francis Coquelin has been on loan here, there, Freiburg and Charlton without any due consideration.
He's turned in one admittedly excellent performance at Citeh...and suddenly there's talk of a new improved £60k p/week deal?
This will now certainly prevent the needed signing of a top DCM FFS
Coquelin played at Stoke a few weeks ago and was absolutely destroyed by N'Zonzi and couldn't track Walters - have we all forgotten this? I think this is sthg that comes back to sthg that has always pissed me off about the culture under Wenger. Like Flamini being offered a massive hike based on one season, or Ramsey being given over £100k for one good season...
I'd sooner see a specialist like Khedira or Lars Bender signed. Coq had one great game, in about 3 years. Even Denilson managed this
Coquelin played well at City.But it was a YaYa less City.I saw Alex Song dominate YaYa when West Ham played City earlier on this season.Would you have Song back? of course you wouldnt.Time to stop judging players on one game.A bit like saying Ospina is a great keeper after keeping a clean sheet at the Eitihad.
We still need a quality DM and a quality keeper
Three positions?
He has played defensive midfield, right back and left back for us.
Ikechukwu
Flamini, Arteta, Diaby and Coquelin are all out of contract this summer.
It is debatable if any of them will be kept on.
To keep on the versatile and 24 year old Coquelin seems sensible for me, it allows for three new purchases.
As opposed to the older and less fit others.
We have youngsters Chambers, O'Connor, Hayden and Bielik coming through in central midfield but they are very much fringe at this point (Chambers fringe in terms of central midfield though of course plays regularly in defence).
Coquelin has consistently impressed me with his tackling and work rate, less so with his passing but unlike others I have not seen him destroyed at any point, it is all how one sees things.
Nowhere on this Forum have I advocated him being THE sole defensive midfield answer, but I think he is part of it, and a useful utility player to boot.
Situation seems very similar to a lot of others. Notably Ashley Cole's. I've always thought Coq was decent, and been pleasantly surprised by how he is taking this opportunity with both hands. It's a pickle, as if we don't negotiate with him, he continues to be brilliant, then pisses off, I can see the moans coming from a lot of you.
Ikechukwu1 wrote:Hold on. Francis Coquelin has been on loan here, there, Freiburg and Charlton without any due consideration.
He's turned in one admittedly excellent performance at Citeh...and suddenly there's talk of a new improved £60k p/week deal?
This will now certainly prevent the needed signing of a top DCM FFS
Coquelin played at Stoke a few weeks ago and was absolutely destroyed by N'Zonzi and couldn't track Walters - have we all forgotten this? I think this is sthg that comes back to sthg that has always pissed me off about the culture under Wenger. Like Flamini being offered a massive hike based on one season, or Ramsey being given over £100k for one good season...
I'd sooner see a specialist like Khedira or Lars Bender signed. Coq had one great game, in about 3 years. Even Denilson managed this
Specialist? Seems more of an old school box-to-box player from what I've seen of him. Bit of a cripple too and would command bonkers wages. Plus, as he's on a free, we'll be about 17th on his list of preferred suitors.
rigsby wrote:Situation seems very similar to a lot of others. Notably Ashley Cole's. I've always thought Coq was decent, and been pleasantly surprised by how he is taking this opportunity with both hands. It's a pickle, as if we don't negotiate with him, he continues to be brilliant, then pisses off, I can see the moans coming from a lot of you.
I would compare him more to the joel Campbell situation - Campbell came back to us in the summer on the back of a good world cup and having scored one more goal against a shit manure side than our whole team did last season ( ), and many Gooners were clamouring for his inclusion to the team and for him to get a new contract. At the time I argued that he had done nothing in an ARSENAL SHIRT to justify a new contract and because of that he shouldn't be awarded a new deal until he had proven himself with us - yes it was a risk because he is in the last year of his contract, but the alternative was to give out another foolish undeserved contract like he did with bendtner, denilson, average al etc etc etc. For me no new deal should be given to coquelin between here and the summer unless it is a one year extension - that way he gets a new deal, and we get a years breathing space to judge him for a longer term deal
Quartz I'm aware that he has played more than one position for us but it doesn't mean that he actually can. Like our 3 extra CBs - Monreal, Chambers and Debuchy - that had never played there before in their lives and were only considered to be able to do so due to a shocking lack of other options.
To be honest the jersey is his right now and on the basis that we won't sign a DM he has a fair shot to prove himself. My gut feeling is that he'll probably be worth a shorter term deal but slow down on patting yourself on the back for calling him out as an amazing talent.
Short time contract would be the deal for the club but possibly not for the player. if he gets more rave reviews he may find a demand from a few places and we end up in an auction . If his agent has anything about him he will be touting him now whilst we put him in the shop window . He is only back with us because of circumstance not because this return was in any part of a long term plan . he will have little or no loyalty towards us and really who can blame him.
A11M11 wrote:Short time contract would be the deal for the club but possibly not for the player. if he gets more rave reviews he may find a demand from a few places and we end up in an auction . If his agent has anything about him he will be touting him now whilst we put him in the shop window . He is only back with us because of circumstance not because this return was in any part of a long term plan . he will have little or no loyalty towards us and really who can blame him.
Who else at our sort of level is going to play him and pay him as much money as we do/will?
Depends if he wants playing time or just the cash. I don't know what his current salary is but I doubt he is a high earner . If he does well with us until the end of this season , there are clubs all over Europe capable of offering him a guaranteed start with a reasonable income. In general the club is not at it's best negotiating contracts and indulges in brinkmanship allowing players to get into their last years . Perhaps it's a reaction to the deals we did with players that we could not shift when we wanted them out but i prefer to think that the powers are either naive or plain slipshod.
northbank123 wrote:Quartz I'm aware that he has played more than one position for us but it doesn't mean that he actually can. Like our 3 extra CBs - Monreal, Chambers and Debuchy - that had never played there before in their lives and were only considered to be able to do so due to a shocking lack of other options.
To be honest the jersey is his right now and on the basis that we won't sign a DM he has a fair shot to prove himself. My gut feeling is that he'll probably be worth a shorter term deal but slow down on patting yourself on the back for calling him out as an amazing talent.
Your cynicism means that you assume I am on some sort of glory quest to take the credit for "Discovering" Coquelin.
That is a nonsense and as irrelevant as when some journalist claims to have discovered a music group...that the group existed anyway and was composing and performing without any help from said journalist.
Coquelin was playing football anyway and signed by our scouts!
I mean really?
Some bloke called Quartz of whom no one here has met is trying to take credit for something on an obscure Forum used by 100 people?
So I can sit alone by a computer and feel chuffed?
Oh please.
I merely point out that the qualities Coquelin showed in his very first game for us six and a half years ago are still in evidence and have been added to in a good way, and that I think he is worth a new deal more than Arteta, Flamini and Diaby of the player in central midfield who will be out of contract this summer.
A11M11 wrote:Short time contract would be the deal for the club but possibly not for the player. if he gets more rave reviews he may find a demand from a few places and we end up in an auction . If his agent has anything about him he will be touting him now whilst we put him in the shop window . He is only back with us because of circumstance not because this return was in any part of a long term plan . he will have little or no loyalty towards us and really who can blame him.
Exactly he wasn't in Arsene's plan at all, until Arteta got injured, so like Flamini in his stand out last season with us (who was nearly sold to Birmingham I recall the previous summer) Coq may well decide that he wants to go elsewhere.
Can he reproduce that form week in week out or like Frimpong has he turned in a one game wonder that we will never see again.
Quartz I'm not suggesting you are claiming to have discovered him. you just seem quite keen to suggest that this 'talented one to watch' status that you endowed upon him 6 years ago has now been fulfilled.
A11M11 wrote:Short time contract would be the deal for the club but possibly not for the player. if he gets more rave reviews he may find a demand from a few places and we end up in an auction . If his agent has anything about him he will be touting him now whilst we put him in the shop window . He is only back with us because of circumstance not because this return was in any part of a long term plan . he will have little or no loyalty towards us and really who can blame him.
Exactly he wasn't in Arsene's plan at all, until Arteta got injured, so like Flamini in his stand out last season with us (who was nearly sold to Birmingham I recall the previous summer) Coq may well decide that he wants to go elsewhere.
Can he reproduce that form week in week out or like Frimpong has he turned in a one game wonder that we will never see again.
Bang on. Just as Cashley was only dodgy passport affair from being flogged to Palace for £250k.
Our club has a disgraceful record in recent years of giving out new deals to players that haven't earned them and to this point, this is following a similar path - what kind of message doesn't it send to our younger players, if a player only has to play well in one month out of a 3 year deal to warrant a new deal ?
I think this is sthg that comes back to sthg that has always pissed me off about the culture under Wenger. Like Flamini being offered a massive hike based on one season, or Ramsey being given over £100k for one good season...
), and many Gooners were clamouring for his inclusion to the team and for him to get a new contract. At the time I argued that he had done nothing in an ARSENAL SHIRT to justify a new contract and because of that he shouldn't be awarded a new deal until he had proven himself with us - yes it was a risk because he is in the last year of his contract, but the alternative was to give out another foolish undeserved contract like he did with bendtner, denilson, average al etc etc etc. For me no new deal should be given to coquelin between here and the summer unless it is a one year extension - that way he gets a new deal, and we get a years breathing space to judge him for a longer term deal
