Under Rated or Over Rated? - Discuss Arsenal Legends

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SteveO 35 wrote:
donaldo wrote:
1989 wrote:Kanu & Overmars.
Kanu underated? He was voted the 13th greatest Arsenal player ever.I would say that is grossly overated.Good player but better than McLintock Armstrong Radford Rocastle O'Leary and Smudger :shock:

http://www.arsenal.com/history/gunners- ... 50-players

By the way Davis and Bould didnt make the top 50 so they are underated
Amazing that Kanu made it that high on the list. To be honest his talent should have earned him a top 10 place but his actual achievement makes him lucky to be top 50. In the 98/99 season he produced some amazing stuff. I was there at Boro when he scored that cheeky flick and some of the other stuff he produced like at the Lane and against La Coruna was out of the top drawer.....but he became a rank lazy bastard at times and was absolutely infuriating by the time he left us where every single touch of the ball had to be off the outside of the boot or backheeled. Not dissimilar to the fat Russian in that regard
To be fair to Kanu, he was never an established regular starter and was often playing second fiddle to the great DB10 for the majority of the time he was in the squad, so didn't get to play as often as a player of his enormous ability would have elsewhere. Kanu was one of my favourite players and I remember often saying to friends that he would do something extraordinary in a match that was worth the attendance fee all by itself!! 8)

I agree though that ultimately he didn't produce/achieve as much with us as perhaps a player with his natural talent should have. Although I think there were extenuating reasons for that. :cry: :lol: :wink:

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Wiltord is a bit underrated. Definitely nowhere near a legend, but he scored some crucial goals for us. When we were struggling with DB10 and TH14 (rarely!), Wenger used to bring on Wiltord and Kanu and play 4-2-4 and we'd be guaranteed a goal in the last 20-30 minutes. Those were the days.

I think Wiltord has largely been forgotten by fans who rightfully remember the likes of Ljungberg and Pires, but he was a big player for us. Deserves a mention just for that goal at OT :barscarf:

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worthing_gooner wrote:Wiltord is a bit underrated. Definitely nowhere near a legend, but he scored some crucial goals for us. When we were struggling with DB10 and TH14 (rarely!), Wenger used to bring on Wiltord and Kanu and play 4-2-4 and we'd be guaranteed a goal in the last 20-30 minutes. Those were the days.

I think Wiltord has largely been forgotten by fans who rightfully remember the likes of Ljungberg and Pires, but he was a big player for us. Deserves a mention just for that goal at OT :barscarf:


I remain a game v the shammers a few years ago and I was sitting in the north bank (it was fcuking freezing :oops: ) and Wiltord was shit (1st touch of a rapist :roll: ) but still walked away with the match ball after scoring a hat-trick - if ever a game summed up Wiltord it was that one :rubchin:

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Arsene Wenger - A legend in the first 8 years, overrated numpty in the last 8

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Presumably that's supposed to be funny or facetious...
but I'll bite
8 years ago we won the FA Cup
7 years ago we made the Champions League Final without conceding a goal
5 years ago all that stopped us winning the league was an unprecedented series of refereeing decisions were 'compounded' by a horrific injury to Eduardo

Wenger has made loads of mistakes but dismissing "8 years" is just buying wholesale the talking points of the Scum newspaper (always hated us), Talkshite radio and online purveyors of hitwhoring trollery

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highburyJD wrote:Presumably that's supposed to be funny or facetious...
but I'll bite
8 years ago we won the FA Cup
7 years ago we made the Champions League Final without conceding a goal
5 years ago all that stopped us winning the league was an unprecedented series of refereeing decisions were 'compounded' by a horrific injury to Eduardo

Wenger has made loads of mistakes but dismissing "8 years" is just buying wholesale the talking points of the Scum newspaper (always hated us), Talkshite radio and online purveyors of hitwhoring trollery
Whole lotta nearly's, no achievements though :(

We cant blame everyone else for our failings. You can blame injuries, refs, the lot. At the end of the day though, we weren't good enough.

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highburyJD wrote: 5 years ago all that stopped us winning the league was an unprecedented series of refereeing decisions were 'compounded' by a horrific injury to Eduardo
Can you remind me of these dubious refereeing decisions in the following games:

Arsenal 1-1 Aston Villa (March 1, 2008)

Wigan 0-0 Arsenal (March 9, 2008)

Arsenal 1-1 Middlesbrough (March 15, 2008)

Chelsea 2-1 Arsenal (March 23, 2008)

Arsenal 1-1 Liverpool (April 5, 2008)

Manchester United 2-1 Arsenal (April 13, 2008)

I can't seem to remember what they were, that's all. Although I assume the dodgy decisions in the game at OT were nothing to do with Adebayor punching the ball into the net for us?

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Bit harsh to claim winning the FA cup was not an achievement
The League title 5 years ago was in my (and our beloved tin foil hatted leader's) opinion deeply suspicious
If you want to start a new Eduardo season thread feel free
maybe I'll even have the time to go over all those dodgy old decisions

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highburyJD wrote: 5 years ago all that stopped us winning the league was an unprecedented series of refereeing decisions were 'compounded' by a horrific injury to Eduardo
JD this is exactly the kind of dramatic unfounded hyperbole that you would jump all over if it was used to represent a view opposing yours, probably accompanied by a sentence-by-sentence deconstruction of the original post.

We went from a commanding position before the Birmingham game to being out of the race a few weeks later by virtue of winning once in 7 PL games. Eduardo's injury didn't help and we had a few poor decisions but at the end of the day it was our lack of depth and lack of Plan B that hurt us - and indeed it's reared its ugly head in our faux 'title bids' since. We could have rallied after that game, or after the CL setback, but we didn't.

I knew after that Birmingham game that we wouldn't win the league and we may well have done otherwise but saying we would definitely won the league had Eduardo not got injured and we not had a few poor reffing decisions is bollocks. Do you hear United whinging about Adebayor handling the ball into the net at Old Trafford in April that season (think it was that game)? No, because they didn't throw the towel in and go to pieces, they dug in, turned the game round and won the league. Funny how winners are never left complaining about refereeing decisions!

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It's 8 years since we won the cup, since then it's been 8 years of unmitigated failure headed up by the incompetent fool in charge of our club (yes he runs the club)!

Wages have spiralled into huge figures despite always selling our best players - how the hell are we paying that much?? Oh yes, because Tsar Wenger wants to pay Denilson, Diaby, Bendtner and Chamakh amongst MANY others, 50-60k a week whilst only wanting to pay Cesc, Van Persie etc 80-90k a week.

Who has thrown domestic cup competitions from advantageous positions on the premise of chasing a CL trophy that we are getting further away from winning as each season goes by?

Who has sat in front of TV cameras and LIED to the lifeblood of Arsenal football club ie: the fans, about possible transfers and when they will happen?

Seriously JD, you are welcome to live in Wengerworld but in real life he has been on a downward spiral for years and it will culminate this year in failure to qualify for the CL. But hey, you carry on supporting the terminal loser that is Arsenal's dictator, good luck.

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Bradywasking wrote:Under Rated; 1989 Kevin Richardson
late 70s David Price.

Someone's just read their latest gooner :lol: :lol:

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StuartL wrote:
Bradywasking wrote:Under Rated; 1989 Kevin Richardson
late 70s David Price.

Someone's just read their latest gooner :lol: :lol:
No ..don't get it anymore.

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highburyJD wrote: 5 years ago all that stopped us winning the league was an unprecedented series of refereeing decisions were 'compounded' by a horrific injury to Eduardo
Thats bullshit.We lost the title in 2008 because we bottled it.We took 7 points out of 21 in March and April.Nothing to do with refereeing decisions.

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TeeCee wrote:It's 8 years since we won the cup, since then it's been 8 years of unmitigated failure
I'm confused - winning the cup represents 'unmitigated failure'??

8 years ago: Weds Apr 3rd 2005 we had not won the cup, we subsequently did
this is not complicated nor negotiable.

We can all have our own opinions of how refs help ManUre win leagues
we can't have our own maths
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donaldo wrote:
highburyJD wrote: 5 years ago all that stopped us winning the league was an unprecedented series of refereeing decisions were 'compounded' by a horrific injury to Eduardo
Thats bullshit.We lost the title in 2008 because we bottled it.We took 7 points out of 21 in March and April.Nothing to do with refereeing decisions.
^THIS^ and fucking spot on!!!!

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