ALL Transfer talk - merged thread

[augie]

The superficial way the media analyse our dealings frustrates the shit out of me I gotta say - last night on The Back Pages (sky sports news) a journalist spoke about the massive part jesus and zinchenko have played in our "successful season", but for me if they are gonna analyse our season then they should at least look beyond the surface level. As a guy who was against signing jesus last summer, I have openly said that he did bring more to the table than I expected, but it also needs to be said that he failed when his team needed him most, and his attitude in the past month has been very poor imo - if journo's were doing their job properly, then maybe they would say that he was a big part of our early season form but add that maybe he isnt good enough to be the main striker for a team challenging for the main trophies ? Maybe they should say how positive an impact zinchenko had on us as an attacking team, but also point out that he was extremely vulnerable defensively ? It has gone unmentioned everywhere, that last Sunday mitamo was on the brighton right wing for large parts of the first half but got nothing against tierney - as soon as he moved over full time to white in the second half he ran riot, and that highlights to me how much more solid we are with tierney. Its funny cos I read/hear comments since Sunday pointing out that mitamo has destroyed full backs all season, but its funny that he played against manure twice lately and bissaka had him in his pocket in both games - this is the same bissaka that most manure fans want replaced btw

Honestly I think our transfer dealings in the last two seasons really dont look great if you assess them properly

[Clummo99]

Mitoma has had a great season. Most rightbacks have struggled against him. AWB, whilst mostly average, is widely considered the best one on one fullback in the league right now. To use that example to seemingly criticise Ben White (primarily a CB remember) is so off the mark.

[BobbyPires7]

Ultimately it’s quite difficult to find a defender who can go forward like a midfielder and also defend properly. So we have to play them in a system where the weaknesses are covered up. Partey dropping off and Saliba being out injured exposed much of what we get from White and Zinchenko. We have to take the rough with the smooth. But the rough needs to be limited by having strong players in midfield and central defence.

[Retro Gunner]

Mitoma has had a great season. Most rightbacks have struggled against him. AWB, whilst mostly average, is widely considered the best one on one fullback in the league right now. To use that example to seemingly criticise Ben White (primarily a CB remember) is so off the mark.

Mitoma is a cracking player, but Augie is right that he got no change out of Bissaka, who I don’t rate in general and certainly wouldn’t want at the Arsenal.

I’m not sure that Augie was criticising White, but rather making the point that a full back who can defend, such as Tierney, is what we need in place. Instead, we have Zinchenko, who ought to be moved to a midfield position (he’s playing there anyway!) and a centre back playing as right back. I don’t know to what extent White is only covering that position, but he was picked ahead of Tomiyasu when Tomi was fit, so it would never surprise me if he starts as our RB next season.

[Retro Gunner]

Ultimately it’s quite difficult to find a defender who can go forward like a midfielder and also defend properly. So we have to play them in a system where the weaknesses are covered up. Partey dropping off and Saliba being out injured exposed much of what we get from White and Zinchenko. We have to take the rough with the smooth. But the rough needs to be limited by having strong players in midfield and central defence.

I agree with this Bob, especially that last sentence, but for me, first and foremost a defender is there to defend. If he can be effective going forward, then all well and good, but I’d rather a full back that offers little going forward but is solid defensively, than one that lights it up in the final third, but can’t defend and sees us leak goals.

There was talk on here the other day praising Kyle Walker (SteveO I think), who is the perfect example of a full back who can be useful going forward, but is first and foremost a strong and determined defender. Alexander-Arnold at the Victims is the polar opposite...very good going forward, but no more a PL full back than I am.

[Retro Gunner]

The Times: Arsenal have cleared Mikel Arteta to break the club's spending record this summer in a splurge that may exceed £200m. Arteta wants to sign midfielders Declan Rice and Moisés Caicedo who could cost a combined £170m.

If we believe Brighton wanted 80m and West Ham 120m, it will take some doing. Then need a RB, CB and striker as a minimum

My bet is that we will sign a couple of players after a long Summer transfer saga. Neither of which will be our first choice. One is called Deja Vu.

Ah yes, good old Deja Vu. I remember him well...Wenger signed him every summer. Super top top quality. He'll take us to the next level, which is....err, the next level.

Deja Vu.....Zlatan......Drogba......Hazard......Yaya Toure - the virtual, nearly signed XI are looking more and more like Galacticos every year

Btw SteveO, I was a little disappointed in you following the Brighton debacle. You keep promising the full Wenger bingo card, but we haven’t had the definitive list yet.

So, it’s clear that against Brighton we played with “a little bit the handbrake on”, but was the result “an accident” or “special circumstances”?

[BobbyPires7]

Ultimately it’s quite difficult to find a defender who can go forward like a midfielder and also defend properly. So we have to play them in a system where the weaknesses are covered up. Partey dropping off and Saliba being out injured exposed much of what we get from White and Zinchenko. We have to take the rough with the smooth. But the rough needs to be limited by having strong players in midfield and central defence.

I agree with this Bob, especially that last sentence, but for me, first and foremost a defender is there to defend. If he can be effective going forward, then all well and good, but I’d rather a full back that offers little going forward but is solid defensively, than one that lights it up in the final third, but can’t defend and sees us leak goals.

There was talk on here the other day praising Kyle Walker (SteveO I think), who is the perfect example of a full back who can be useful going forward, but is first and foremost a strong and determined defender. Alexander-Arnold at the Victims is the polar opposite...very good going forward, but no more a PL full back than I am.

Agreed.

[fivetothree]

The superficial way the media analyse our dealings frustrates the shit out of me I gotta say - last night on The Back Pages (sky sports news) a journalist spoke about the massive part jesus and zinchenko have played in our "successful season", but for me if they are gonna analyse our season then they should at least look beyond the surface level. As a guy who was against signing jesus last summer, I have openly said that he did bring more to the table than I expected, but it also needs to be said that he failed when his team needed him most, and his attitude in the past month has been very poor imo - if journo's were doing their job properly, then maybe they would say that he was a big part of our early season form but add that maybe he isnt good enough to be the main striker for a team challenging for the main trophies ? Maybe they should say how positive an impact zinchenko had on us as an attacking team, but also point out that he was extremely vulnerable defensively ? It has gone unmentioned everywhere, that last Sunday mitamo was on the brighton right wing for large parts of the first half but got nothing against tierney - as soon as he moved over full time to white in the second half he ran riot, and that highlights to me how much more solid we are with tierney. Its funny cos I read/hear comments since Sunday pointing out that mitamo has destroyed full backs all season, but its funny that he played against manure twice lately and bissaka had him in his pocket in both games - this is the same bissaka that most manure fans want replaced btw

Honestly I think our transfer dealings in the last two seasons really dont look great if you assess them properly

Really? There aren't many failures in terms of players brought in the last 2 years is there?

White, Ramsdale, Odegaard, Tomi, Zinc, Jesus, Trossard, Jorginho have been successes. Vieria shall see.

Sambi and Tavares possibly not but that is it.

Sales is a different matter, we really do need to sell well this summer.

[fivetothree]

We badly need a striker, someone with a physical presence who can finish. Any ideas? I don't rate DCL.

Ivan Toney would be the most obvious solution. Ollie Watkins not quite as physically strong but very direct and pace to burn, and his strike rate has been impressive. Don't watch foreign football so can't comment from a position of wisdom there, but Vlahovic was supposedly that guy and allegedly has interest in joining?

Fcuk vlahovic - the basque fool practically sucked his cock in an effort to persuade him to join us last season but he did not want to join us at all so he can fcuking stay in the shit show that is juve

I don't watch foreign football and don't know enough about him, hence the choices of Toney or Watkins.

Toney would surely be ideal - London based, 2 years experience in the PL (and successful ones too), physically strong, regular goal scorer. Seems like a strong boy in all senses of the word. Done it the hard way on football's ladder which always creates a certain 'Ian Wright' style hunger. Just turned 27 years old. Hit the ground running

Toney is a great shout. As long as he doesn't get a long ban for the gambling.

[Clummo99]

Mitoma has had a great season. Most rightbacks have struggled against him. AWB, whilst mostly average, is widely considered the best one on one fullback in the league right now. To use that example to seemingly criticise Ben White (primarily a CB remember) is so off the mark.

Mitoma is a cracking player, but Augie is right that he got no change out of Bissaka, who I don’t rate in general and certainly wouldn’t want at the Arsenal.

I’m not sure that Augie was criticising White, but rather making the point that a full back who can defend, such as Tierney, is what we need in place. Instead, we have Zinchenko, who ought to be moved to a midfield position (he’s playing there anyway!) and a centre back playing as right back. I don’t know to what extent White is only covering that position, but he was picked ahead of Tomiyasu when Tomi was fit, so it would never surprise me if he starts as our RB next season.

Ah but Mitoma's strength is on the left cutting infield onto his right. It's not a level argument to use his performance on the right to compare anything, is it? He's a lesser player on the few occasions he pops up on the other side.

Our way of playing doesn't incorporate a traditional left fullback. I love KT but sadly he doesn't have the skill set to play the role required. Purely in an attacking sense Zinchenko was so obviously missed on Sunday.

We've been constantly linked with rightbacks for months, most notably Ivan Fresneda who we apparently bid for in January, so I doubt White is seen as the long term choice.

We need to stop looking at systems stuck in the rigid 4-4-2 setup. Football has evolved immeasurably whereby positions and players are now extremely fluid. The latest innovation is a CB stepping into midfield. Another Guardiola twist that will probably be adopted by other managers going forward.

[augie]

The superficial way the media analyse our dealings frustrates the shit out of me I gotta say - last night on The Back Pages (sky sports news) a journalist spoke about the massive part jesus and zinchenko have played in our "successful season", but for me if they are gonna analyse our season then they should at least look beyond the surface level. As a guy who was against signing jesus last summer, I have openly said that he did bring more to the table than I expected, but it also needs to be said that he failed when his team needed him most, and his attitude in the past month has been very poor imo - if journo's were doing their job properly, then maybe they would say that he was a big part of our early season form but add that maybe he isnt good enough to be the main striker for a team challenging for the main trophies ? Maybe they should say how positive an impact zinchenko had on us as an attacking team, but also point out that he was extremely vulnerable defensively ? It has gone unmentioned everywhere, that last Sunday mitamo was on the brighton right wing for large parts of the first half but got nothing against tierney - as soon as he moved over full time to white in the second half he ran riot, and that highlights to me how much more solid we are with tierney. Its funny cos I read/hear comments since Sunday pointing out that mitamo has destroyed full backs all season, but its funny that he played against manure twice lately and bissaka had him in his pocket in both games - this is the same bissaka that most manure fans want replaced btw

Honestly I think our transfer dealings in the last two seasons really dont look great if you assess them properly

Really? There aren't many failures in terms of players brought in the last 2 years is there?

White, Ramsdale, Odegaard, Tomi, Zinc, Jesus, Trossard, Jorginho have been successes. Vieria shall see.

Sambi and Tavares possibly not but that is it.

Sales is a different matter, we really do need to sell well this summer.

How low is your "success bar" then ? Sweet jesus I am thinking a snake would have to climb over it

[Retro Gunner]

The superficial way the media analyse our dealings frustrates the shit out of me I gotta say - last night on The Back Pages (sky sports news) a journalist spoke about the massive part jesus and zinchenko have played in our "successful season", but for me if they are gonna analyse our season then they should at least look beyond the surface level. As a guy who was against signing jesus last summer, I have openly said that he did bring more to the table than I expected, but it also needs to be said that he failed when his team needed him most, and his attitude in the past month has been very poor imo - if journo's were doing their job properly, then maybe they would say that he was a big part of our early season form but add that maybe he isnt good enough to be the main striker for a team challenging for the main trophies ? Maybe they should say how positive an impact zinchenko had on us as an attacking team, but also point out that he was extremely vulnerable defensively ? It has gone unmentioned everywhere, that last Sunday mitamo was on the brighton right wing for large parts of the first half but got nothing against tierney - as soon as he moved over full time to white in the second half he ran riot, and that highlights to me how much more solid we are with tierney. Its funny cos I read/hear comments since Sunday pointing out that mitamo has destroyed full backs all season, but its funny that he played against manure twice lately and bissaka had him in his pocket in both games - this is the same bissaka that most manure fans want replaced btw

Honestly I think our transfer dealings in the last two seasons really dont look great if you assess them properly

Really? There aren't many failures in terms of players brought in the last 2 years is there?

White, Ramsdale, Odegaard, Tomi, Zinc, Jesus, Trossard, Jorginho have been successes. Vieria shall see.

Sambi and Tavares possibly not but that is it.

Sales is a different matter, we really do need to sell well this summer.

How low is your "success bar" then ? Sweet jesus I am thinking a snake would have to climb over it

I was going to say the exact same thing. I’ll give Tomi a temporary pass because he hasn’t had a proper run since injury, but he hasn’t look good. Odegaard is a quality footballer no doubt, but he’s no leader and disappears when you need him most.

Trossard started well, but not great since but far too early to judge. Jorginho is nowhere near being the answer and again, too early to make a judgement about “success”.

That leaves Zinchenko, Jesus and Ramsdale and the jury is well and truly out on all three in my opinion.

[Retro Gunner]

Mitoma has had a great season. Most rightbacks have struggled against him. AWB, whilst mostly average, is widely considered the best one on one fullback in the league right now. To use that example to seemingly criticise Ben White (primarily a CB remember) is so off the mark.

Mitoma is a cracking player, but Augie is right that he got no change out of Bissaka, who I don’t rate in general and certainly wouldn’t want at the Arsenal.

I’m not sure that Augie was criticising White, but rather making the point that a full back who can defend, such as Tierney, is what we need in place. Instead, we have Zinchenko, who ought to be moved to a midfield position (he’s playing there anyway!) and a centre back playing as right back. I don’t know to what extent White is only covering that position, but he was picked ahead of Tomiyasu when Tomi was fit, so it would never surprise me if he starts as our RB next season.

Ah but Mitoma's strength is on the left cutting infield onto his right. It's not a level argument to use his performance on the right to compare anything, is it? He's a lesser player on the few occasions he pops up on the other side.

Our way of playing doesn't incorporate a traditional left fullback. I love KT but sadly he doesn't have the skill set to play the role required. Purely in an attacking sense Zinchenko was so obviously missed on Sunday.

We've been constantly linked with rightbacks for months, most notably Ivan Fresneda who we apparently bid for in January, so I doubt White is seen as the long term choice.

We need to stop looking at systems stuck in the rigid 4-4-2 setup. Football has evolved immeasurably whereby positions and players are now extremely fluid. The latest innovation is a CB stepping into midfield. Another Guardiola twist that will probably be adopted by other managers going forward.

Mitoma was on the left against Utd. Bissaka is the right back.

As for fluid systems, well you need Pep’s wealth of world class talent to experiment like that. When you’ve got a team leaking goals, suspect full backs and no sound defensive cover from centre midfield, you need to get the basics right before you fuck about with fancy systems.

[Clummo99]

Mitoma has had a great season. Most rightbacks have struggled against him. AWB, whilst mostly average, is widely considered the best one on one fullback in the league right now. To use that example to seemingly criticise Ben White (primarily a CB remember) is so off the mark.

Mitoma is a cracking player, but Augie is right that he got no change out of Bissaka, who I don’t rate in general and certainly wouldn’t want at the Arsenal.

I’m not sure that Augie was criticising White, but rather making the point that a full back who can defend, such as Tierney, is what we need in place. Instead, we have Zinchenko, who ought to be moved to a midfield position (he’s playing there anyway!) and a centre back playing as right back. I don’t know to what extent White is only covering that position, but he was picked ahead of Tomiyasu when Tomi was fit, so it would never surprise me if he starts as our RB next season.

Ah but Mitoma's strength is on the left cutting infield onto his right. It's not a level argument to use his performance on the right to compare anything, is it? He's a lesser player on the few occasions he pops up on the other side.

Our way of playing doesn't incorporate a traditional left fullback. I love KT but sadly he doesn't have the skill set to play the role required. Purely in an attacking sense Zinchenko was so obviously missed on Sunday.

We've been constantly linked with rightbacks for months, most notably Ivan Fresneda who we apparently bid for in January, so I doubt White is seen as the long term choice.

We need to stop looking at systems stuck in the rigid 4-4-2 setup. Football has evolved immeasurably whereby positions and players are now extremely fluid. The latest innovation is a CB stepping into midfield. Another Guardiola twist that will probably be adopted by other managers going forward.

Mitoma was on the left against Utd. Bissaka is the right back.

As for fluid systems, well you need Pep’s wealth of world class talent to experiment like that. When you’ve got a team leaking goals, suspect full backs and no sound defensive cover from centre midfield, you need to get the basics right before you fuck about with fancy systems.

I give up.

[fivetothree]

The superficial way the media analyse our dealings frustrates the shit out of me I gotta say - last night on The Back Pages (sky sports news) a journalist spoke about the massive part jesus and zinchenko have played in our "successful season", but for me if they are gonna analyse our season then they should at least look beyond the surface level. As a guy who was against signing jesus last summer, I have openly said that he did bring more to the table than I expected, but it also needs to be said that he failed when his team needed him most, and his attitude in the past month has been very poor imo - if journo's were doing their job properly, then maybe they would say that he was a big part of our early season form but add that maybe he isnt good enough to be the main striker for a team challenging for the main trophies ? Maybe they should say how positive an impact zinchenko had on us as an attacking team, but also point out that he was extremely vulnerable defensively ? It has gone unmentioned everywhere, that last Sunday mitamo was on the brighton right wing for large parts of the first half but got nothing against tierney - as soon as he moved over full time to white in the second half he ran riot, and that highlights to me how much more solid we are with tierney. Its funny cos I read/hear comments since Sunday pointing out that mitamo has destroyed full backs all season, but its funny that he played against manure twice lately and bissaka had him in his pocket in both games - this is the same bissaka that most manure fans want replaced btw

Honestly I think our transfer dealings in the last two seasons really dont look great if you assess them properly

Really? There aren't many failures in terms of players brought in the last 2 years is there?

White, Ramsdale, Odegaard, Tomi, Zinc, Jesus, Trossard, Jorginho have been successes. Vieria shall see.

Sambi and Tavares possibly not but that is it.

Sales is a different matter, we really do need to sell well this summer.

How low is your "success bar" then ? Sweet jesus I am thinking a snake would have to climb over it

Is Jesus not an upgrade on Laca? The way he plays has made a direct impact on the amount of goals Martinelli, Saka and Ode have scored. He is quality. Same with Zinc, yeah he isnt the best defensively, but his ability on the ball has been key on us controlling games this season. How many touches did Tierney get against Brighton?

Ramsdale has bailed us out countless times this season. Yeah he has the odd ricket but he is good enough. Trossard has been excellent, Jorginho solid.