Sell Diaby?
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gus ceasar is a legend
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Absolutley not, the criticism of him here is ridiculous. He's been played out of position constantly since being at Arsenal, except for a handful of occasions. When he's in the centre he absolutley dominates, bagful of skill and in general and excellent passer.
People really need to stop jumping on this 'they're shit' bandwagon
People really need to stop jumping on this 'they're shit' bandwagon
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Its Up 4 Grabs Now
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For anything over £5m I’d sell Diaby! As others have said he has bags of talent but if he’s never gonna use it then so what? If genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration then Diaby’s practically a retard.
And what is his actual position anyway? He’s not a DM and he’s definitely not a winger. You can say he’s best as the more attacking of a central midfield two (alongside a DM) or maybe behind the strikers but is he really good enough to be that? When you think of players who you’d want in that number 10 Bergkamp role how high would Diaby really be on that list? He’s creative for someone that’s considered a DM but he’s nowhere near creative enough when you actually look at him as a number 10!
I cant see Wenger wanting to sell him to Mourinho though. He wouldn’t want to risk Mourinho getting the best out of him (which he probably would) and have Mourinho mouthing off about how he knows how to develop Wenger’s own players better than Wenger himself. Come to think of it this & the Eboue link are probably just Mourinho having a wind-up at Wenger’s expense anyway.
And what is his actual position anyway? He’s not a DM and he’s definitely not a winger. You can say he’s best as the more attacking of a central midfield two (alongside a DM) or maybe behind the strikers but is he really good enough to be that? When you think of players who you’d want in that number 10 Bergkamp role how high would Diaby really be on that list? He’s creative for someone that’s considered a DM but he’s nowhere near creative enough when you actually look at him as a number 10!
I cant see Wenger wanting to sell him to Mourinho though. He wouldn’t want to risk Mourinho getting the best out of him (which he probably would) and have Mourinho mouthing off about how he knows how to develop Wenger’s own players better than Wenger himself. Come to think of it this & the Eboue link are probably just Mourinho having a wind-up at Wenger’s expense anyway.
Ok, but why do you think Wenger is so reluctant to play Diaby at CM??rigsby wrote:Absolutley not, the criticism of him here is ridiculous. He's been played out of position constantly since being at Arsenal, except for a handful of occasions. When he's in the centre he absolutley dominates, bagful of skill and in general and excellent passer.
People really need to stop jumping on this 'they're shit' bandwagon
It's one thing to say that his "position" is CM... but, based on the 3 or so years he's been at Arsenal, it would be fair to say he's played much of that as a wide left player, and on occasions, behind a lone striker... and in those positions, he really hasn't been all that great.
he's 22 (?) and his career has yet to get off the ground, and a time may come when he must consider if leaving would actually be the best career move for him!
I don't doubt he's a very good player, but he just doesn't seem to fit in with the formations played at Arsenal, and maybe playing for a team that plays with 3 CM's (like Chelsea, Inter, Barca, etc) would actually allow him to fulfill his undoubted potential?!
Just a thought.
But, to answer the thread's question... no, I wouldn't sell him yet.
I highly doubt it is a wind up by Mourinho. When we first signed Diaby he had the choice between us and Mourinho's Chelsea. He turned them down but I believe Jose pulled out all the stops to convince Diaby to swerve us. So this rumour has some validity for me.Its Up 4 Grabs Now wrote: I cant see Wenger wanting to sell him to Mourinho though. He wouldn’t want to risk Mourinho getting the best out of him (which he probably would) and have Mourinho mouthing off about how he knows how to develop Wenger’s own players better than Wenger himself. Come to think of it this & the Eboue link are probably just Mourinho having a wind-up at Wenger’s expense anyway.
Rigsby, I've got to say me and you watch two completely different players based on your assesment of what Diaby contributes from centre mid. I just don't see it save for a flash here and there.
Like up 4 grabs has stated I do not know what this guy's best position is - he sure as hell aint a winger and isnt skillful or technical enough to be the creator in the middle of a 4-4-2 formation while he would never score enough goals to justify playing him behind a lone striker either. You would have to say that he also doesnt appear to be disciplined enough to play the defendive role in midfield in a 4-4-2 so then what is he ?? 
I do think that it is fair to say that wenger aint done him any favours playing him out of position on the wing which may have affected his confidence somewhat
There are also other players that I would like to see gone before him (yes alex song it is you I am talking about 
) but if a good offer came in I would sell him
I do think that it is fair to say that wenger aint done him any favours playing him out of position on the wing which may have affected his confidence somewhat
There are also other players that I would like to see gone before him (yes alex song it is you I am talking about ) but if a good offer came in I would sell him-
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Fair point #5 I’d forgotten about Chelsea’s interest when we got him. Still wouldn’t put it past Mourinho for his interest to be at least partially to do with trying to get (another) one-up on Wenger. And more to the point I genuinely think the fact that it’s Mourinho allegedly looking to buy him, and not some other manager, does decrease the chances of us actually selling him to Inter.Number 5 wrote:I highly doubt it is a wind up by Mourinho. When we first signed Diaby he had the choice between us and Mourinho's Chelsea. He turned them down but I believe Jose pulled out all the stops to convince Diaby to swerve us. So this rumour has some validity for me.Its Up 4 Grabs Now wrote: I cant see Wenger wanting to sell him to Mourinho though. He wouldn’t want to risk Mourinho getting the best out of him (which he probably would) and have Mourinho mouthing off about how he knows how to develop Wenger’s own players better than Wenger himself. Come to think of it this & the Eboue link are probably just Mourinho having a wind-up at Wenger’s expense anyway.
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The problem is, which Rigsby has pointed out, is that he is played out of position.
Firstly, Diaby is an attacking midfielder.
That already rules out playing him in the DM role.
You also need to understand Wengers decision and formation.
Wenger liked an attacking winger with pace and creativaty. With the likes of Overmars, Pires & now Nasri.
To balance the side Wenger will play an attacking midfielder on the opposite flank but with more defensive duties. Player that can track back and add a bit of steel and actually tackle.
Respectively with the above wingers we had Parlour & Ljungberg.
So who do we now have that can fit the bill?
Diaby would be my best guess BUT on the right side not left! like wise Denilson is also an attacking player and also used as the 'balancing' player but again on the left
Sadly, when both Denilson and Diaby play Walcott is often favoured to play on his right side and therefore the two are played out on the left.
So When Nasri plays on the left you would therefore think it would be an ideal opportunatey to put Diaby (or Denilson) on the attacking right. No! Cause Wenger plays Eboue
I think Ramsey fits the bill and would be ideal in this role in the future.
So sadly it leave Diaby restricted to Centre Mid (as recently) but that's normally Cescs position. Unless Wenger reverts to 4-5-1 and plays Diaby behind the lone striker I can't see where he actually fits.
However, that said we forget that he is only 22!
Firstly, Diaby is an attacking midfielder.
That already rules out playing him in the DM role.
You also need to understand Wengers decision and formation.
Wenger liked an attacking winger with pace and creativaty. With the likes of Overmars, Pires & now Nasri.
To balance the side Wenger will play an attacking midfielder on the opposite flank but with more defensive duties. Player that can track back and add a bit of steel and actually tackle.
Respectively with the above wingers we had Parlour & Ljungberg.
So who do we now have that can fit the bill?
Diaby would be my best guess BUT on the right side not left! like wise Denilson is also an attacking player and also used as the 'balancing' player but again on the left
Sadly, when both Denilson and Diaby play Walcott is often favoured to play on his right side and therefore the two are played out on the left.
So When Nasri plays on the left you would therefore think it would be an ideal opportunatey to put Diaby (or Denilson) on the attacking right. No! Cause Wenger plays Eboue
I think Ramsey fits the bill and would be ideal in this role in the future.
So sadly it leave Diaby restricted to Centre Mid (as recently) but that's normally Cescs position. Unless Wenger reverts to 4-5-1 and plays Diaby behind the lone striker I can't see where he actually fits.
However, that said we forget that he is only 22!
Thats the point WHY is he played on the wing?If everyone is fit i know is a big if would Diaby make the starting line up? NOrigsby wrote:Absolutley not, the criticism of him here is ridiculous. He's been played out of position constantly since being at Arsenal, except for a handful of occasions. When he's in the centre he absolutley dominates, bagful of skill and in general and excellent passer.
People really need to stop jumping on this 'they're shit' bandwagon
But i would get rid of Song and Eboue now on free transfers.They are not good enough to wear the shirt and they are SHIT
I agree Diaby needs to be played in CM not on the wing. Diaby has more quality than anybody we have available at the moment and imo he has to have a consistant run in the team the same way Denilson has this season before anybody can call him shit.rigsby wrote:Absolutley not, the criticism of him here is ridiculous. He's been played out of position constantly since being at Arsenal, except for a handful of occasions. When he's in the centre he absolutley dominates, bagful of skill and in general and excellent passer.
People really need to stop jumping on this 'they're shit' bandwagon
