Johan Djourou

All_Arsenal_1886 · Post by **All_Arsenal_1886** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:00 pm

Might just be a smart move by Arsene because if you think about it JD will be playing first team football in the premier league and Arsene will bring him back when we need him in january and he will be match fit and experianced

Smart move Arsene smart move

we_are_the_arsenal · Post by **we_are_the_arsenal** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:10 pm

it will be good for Djourou to play games until Jan 2008, then we can get him back when toure goes to the african cup. Until Jan we can use Bert and more likely Song as back ups. I like this move because he will ready to step in when we need him most.

Galasso · Post by **Galasso** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:12 pm

Pav wrote:I'm not happy about this at all - Djourou is a better all round player than Senderos, and this leaves us short of recognised centre backs.

Things were so bad last year with Gallas, Toure, Senderos & Djourou that Gilberto played there some times - and we let one of them go?

The squad is small enough as it is without letting a player that could have played an important role for us go.

Another bad move for my money - fcuk experiance, he could have got that helping Arsenal win games rather than bloody Birmingham.

Any other players want to leave before August 31st?

Maybe we should close the place down this season.

The guy already has plenty of experience, and plays international football. He's quick, reads the game well and can head the ball. I am prepared to believe that Wenger probably thinks out of the four Senderos is the better header of the ball thus keeping him gives us something extra.

But, as Pav said, we can't really afford to getting rid of any more players before we've even kicked a ball. If this is to give him experience because of the ANC, fine, if we assume that we are already well covered. But there's alot of football between now and January.

There are plenty of players who would be expecting to get similar amounts of playing time to what Djourou would expect. This leads me to believe that Wenger thinks we are well covered at centre back. Well, if we lose Toure and/or Gallas (and let's hope their partnership improves), then we're down to nervous Phil. And then?? I notice Song was tried out in pre-season.

Seems like where turning into the Damien Hurst of the football world - If the right person sticks any old shit out there and calls it art, people believe it's art.

WinterburnsRightFoot · Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:29 pm

There is also the prospect that Djourou might not even return. We all know of Steve Bruce's love of our players (Larsson and Muamba sold, he wanted to sign Bendtner on a permanent and even made a bid for Flamini if you believe the papers.)

I wouldn't be suprised if an offer for Djourou wasn't forthcoming from Brum in the January window. I'd be surprised if we allowed him to leave but I wouldn't put it past us. That's how confused I am about whats going on.

TheOne2Smooth · Post by **TheOne2Smooth** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:38 pm

Sagna can play at centre back if need be, So can Justin Hoyte so Johan going out on loan isnt as big as issue as you may think it is!

Also Arsenal wont call him back if we are short in defence! Wenger never calls players back of loan I mean look at last year at one point we only had 1 striker and we didnt recall Bendtner back!

Galasso · Post by **Galasso** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:45 pm

TheOne2Smooth wrote:Sagna can play at centre back if need be, So can Justin Hoyte so Johan going out on loan isnt as big as issue as you may think it is!

Also Arsenal wont call him back if we are short in defence! Wenger never calls players back of loan I mean look at last year at one point we only had 1 striker and we didnt recall Bendtner back!

Sagna can play at centre back, then Eboue can transfer to right back, then someone can cover for Eboue...tell you what, why don't we just play musical chairs!! Hoyte is nowhere near the player that Djourou is in any position.

Djourou is quality, simple as that. The quality of squad has gone down today.

WinterburnsRightFoot · Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:51 pm

For a club of our size and stature, it shouldn't be a case of playing a right back at centre half, a midfielder at centre half or a rightback at left back. We should be in a situation where we have ready made, quality backup that can step in seamlessly when needed.

Hoyte is a decent fullback, but not on the left side (as previous performances have shown). Song is a very average midfielder so I wouldn't hold much hope as a stand in centre back. etc etc

We should not be having this debate about who can fill in here and who there. We should have a squad that copes seemlessly with suspensions, injury and the like.

For me it doesn't auger well for the new season.

TheOne2Smooth · Post by **TheOne2Smooth** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:56 pm

Winterburnsright foot I have made this point elsewhere on this forum So I won't drag it out to long. Henry wasnt a striker! Kolo wasnt a centre half! Manu Petit wasnt a midfielder!

and also Sagna has played centre back before. Wenger very rarely buys a player who plays in just 1 posistion as well so calm down, We will be fine

donaldo · Post by **donaldo** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:11 pm

Last season we had four centre halves and still ended up playing Gilberto there.I believe Wenger is playing with fire. The squad is already too small remember its not just the premiership but the CL as well when you could (lets hope so) play 17 games.

JakeN13 · Post by **JakeN13** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:16 pm

Will be good for Djouro to play regualarly so he's ready when Kolo goes away in January. Hopefully this will be Senderos last chance and hopefully he will take it but what worries me a bit is that I don't think it really matters how bad Senderos performs. Wenger is a bit too proud for his own good at times and the one thing I really dislike about our manager is that once he's decided he's a good player he's gonna stick to it & keep him no matter what. Players like Stepanovs, Cygan, Malz, Vivas etc wouldn't have lasted 6 months in most other clubs...still Wenger kept them here until they asked to go themsleves.

WinterburnsRightFoot · Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:18 pm

TheOne2Smooth wrote:Winterburnsright foot I have made this point elsewhere on this forum So I won't drag it out to long. Henry wasnt a striker! Kolo wasnt a centre half! Manu Petit wasnt a midfielder!

and also Sagna has played centre back before. Wenger very rarely buys a player who plays in just 1 posistion as well so calm down, We will be fine

Sir,

I'm not arguing the point that these players can cover other positions, the point I'm trying to make (unsuccessfully, obviously) is that we shouldn't have to play people out of position. We should have adequate cover and not have to contemplate doing this for so many positions. It just shows how thin our squad already is and seems to be getting thinner every week.

BTW, Kolo started out as a centre half, came to us as a centre half and 99% of his games for the Ivory Coast have been in that slot. It was AW that was trying him in other positions. The others I concede.

WinterburnsRightFoot · Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:20 pm

TheOne2Smooth wrote:Winterburnsright foot I have made this point elsewhere on this forum So I won't drag it out to long. Henry wasnt a striker! Kolo wasnt a centre half! Manu Petit wasnt a midfielder!

and also Sagna has played centre back before. Wenger very rarely buys a player who plays in just 1 posistion as well so calm down, We will be fine

Sir,

I'm not arguing the point that these players can cover other positions, the point I'm trying to make (unsuccessfully, obviously) is that we shouldn't have to play people out of position. We should have adequate cover and not have to contemplate doing this for so many positions. It just shows how thin our squad already is and seems to be getting thinner every week.

BTW, Kolo started out as a centre half, came to us as a centre half and 99% of his games for the Ivory Coast have been in that slot. It was AW that was trying him in other positions. The others I concede.

TheOne2Smooth · Post by **TheOne2Smooth** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:23 pm

Well I always remembered him coming off the bench against Chavski and scoring from midfield but hey I know he played CB for Ivory coast for ages

Magic Hat · Post by **Magic Hat** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:27 pm

I hope we have a recall clause but a good add for Bruce, he got a talented and calmheaded defender for some months now. I'm a little uneasy by the need to fiddle around at the back if we get an injury crises, think we are cutting it fine

All_Arsenal_1886 · Post by **All_Arsenal_1886** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:37 pm

WinterburnsRightFoot wrote:There is also the prospect that Djourou might not even return. We all know of Steve Bruce's love of our players (Larsson and Muamba sold, he wanted to sign Bendtner on a permanent and even made a bid for Flamini if you believe the papers.)

I wouldn't be suprised if an offer for Djourou wasn't forthcoming from Brum in the January window. I'd be surprised if we allowed him to leave but I wouldn't put it past us. That's how confused I am about whats going on.

Steve Bruce did put a bid in but Arsenal rejected it, Bruce said so himself. i think JD will return i know it says with a view to keep him until the end of the season but thats at Arsene's decresion also Arsene can call him back whenever he wants to