11 DAYS OF HOPE & STRESS

[green gooner]

If Lidl or Aldi started selling players i am sure Arsene would buy

[Cockerill's chin]

Does AW just want to perpetuate his myth of unearthing gems?

He has already discovered Anelka and so would get no self-satisfaction in re-signing him.

I have lived in the Arsene knows camp so long, I feel slightly agrophobic stepping out for a moment, but...

why the f**k has Djourou gone out on loan when we already needed a centre half? Why didn't we take Babbel? Why does it feel like somebody swithced the price tags when players like Henry, Vieira, Reyes, Bobby, Sol, Edu leave the club for peanuts or nothing?

My mum used to buy me clothes and tell me I'd grow into them. These clothes were way too big for me and I saw it for the money saving scam it was. When did AW meet my mum and adopt her strategy in the transfer market? All these youngsters on our books that will grow into Premiership players while the other clubs are walking round in the latest Tevez, Torres, Babbel, Nani, Malouda designs. Feels like school again.

[All_Arsenal_1886]

Does AW just want to perpetuate his myth of unearthing gems?

He has already discovered Anelka and so would get no self-satisfaction in re-signing him.

I have lived in the Arsene knows camp so long, I feel slightly agrophobic stepping out for a moment, but...

why the f**k has Djourou gone out on loan when we already needed a centre half? Why didn't we take Babbel? Why does it feel like somebody swithced the price tags when players like Henry, Vieira, Reyes, Bobby, Sol, Edu leave the club for peanuts or nothing?

My mum used to buy me clothes and tell me I'd grow into them. These clothes were way too big for me and I saw it for the money saving scam it was. When did AW meet my mum and adopt her strategy in the transfer market? All these youngsters on our books that will grow into Premiership players while the other clubs are walking round in the latest Tevez, Torres, Babbel, Nani, Malouda designs. Feels like school again.

Well put Cockerill's chin however did we moan when such youngsters/unknows such as Vieira, Anelka, Henry, Toure and Cesc became Premiership beaters? No because we ended up winning something during the process, Yes Arsene has made mistakes in the past but name me one manager who hasn't? although i agree that we have been light in the transfer market this season and most seasons for that matter, Arsene isn't holding the club back he's building a squad that will challenge for every honour avalible.

i know people like to be 'realistic' but if you don't believe then we won't get nowhere imagine if the players felt the same and thought we couldn't win the league do you think they would still be here?
i'll always believe we can win unless it's mathematicly impossible or the Manager turns around and says otherwise.

I know i have had the odd moan on this forum about transfers and so on because i do get pissed off with the fact we haven't brought in certain players and i have see them go elsewhere but we have a squad and i'm standing by them.
By the way i'm not saying your not standing by them i'm just trying to explain how i'm feeling.

[gus ceasar is a legend]

I for one am firmly in the Augie camp here and as I have expressed before I am seriously fucked off with the blind "dont knock Arsene or Arsenal" comments on here! No no how dare you imply Arsene is not 100% perfect and not capable of a mistake! Bollocks!

To these gloriously (if not stupidly) faithful people I bring you ......Igor Stepanovs, Alberto Mendez, The Beast Baptista, selling Pires and keeping Seaman to long!

I am starting to wonder if this is now a point of principal to Arsene....I will win the league without spending a penny hence proving I am the best in the world. He has won the league on a reasonably level financial playing field. Is the big challenge to do so again with the odds and pound notes stacked against him?

Or is Arsene lieing to us as the board have done for ages? You will remember that Arsene said he would bring in a "super super class" player so we cannot be as skint as some suggest! Or are we but for now Arsene has bought into the smokescreen tactic the board have created?

Please accept that there are people inside the game that know a hell of a lot more than us! Hence this is one of the reasons we are being permanently butt fucked over the price we sell our players for! Did the Barcelona board know how much we was in the red and so offered us a price lower than the market rate but too good to refuse by the board. If our cupboard is nicely stocked why didn't we play hardball like we did with Mr Tweedy? We all know the Spanish have been tapping him up for years now! This also again shows that the board and Arsene know the worth of a player. So when they say "super super class" they know what that costs in todays market. Why is Arsene now saying players are over priced? He was happy to pay a fortune for Wiltord's services a few years back!

I myself feel we are being bluffed and the club are playing on the blind faith by spouting shit through Arsene's mouth! Do you really think that Arsene Wenger does not want another forward when he has currently in his squad one forward who has scored a Premiership goal? Yeah yeah c'mon! Maybe there is a grand plan for world domination which includes this period of skintness and lack of ambition which needs to be rode out and hidden with some well placed words from some trusted lips?

I am not all doom and gloom by the way! I am simply offering an objective view which is not swayed with our love for Arsene!

Or maybe someone here can offer a valid reason why a team that until recently was filled with the class of Pires, Henry, Bergkamp and Viera is now being touted as the next best thing when full of the class of Eboue, Bentdner, Flamini and Song?

And dont give me the usual excuse of age and retirement! There are the players out there who could have been bought to replace that proven class with new proven class!

Or shall I tell you why? The club is right now content being also rans or in other words fourth place!

Sorry but I am not content with that! That makes us happy with small victories and thats the policy of the shitbags a few miles down the road!

Whatever though I love Arsenal just as much as any one of you! So please dont infer otherwise!

[donaldo]

I think a lot of us were taken in by Wengers comment that if we bought players this summer they would be "Super signings". I still cant believe we didn"t make a move for Ribery,the type of wideman we need who has been in superb form for Bayern. He cost Bayern £17m, we could have bought him with the money we got for Henry.

And how did Wenger think we would cope at centre half when he loaned Djourou to Birmingham.One more injury at centre half and we are in shit street.Last season we ended up with Gilberto playing Centre half.The Djourou loan was plain crazy.

We are also short up front with both Bendtner and Eduardo novices when it comes to playing in the premiership.The rumours are now Manure are interested in Anelka.We could have signed him a month ago.

As for Wenger saying there is no one good enough available that is bullshit.We have many young players who will be great one day but not now.We lack players who are premiership experienced.

[All_Arsenal_1886]

gus ceasar is a legend, you point out the mistakes he has made but i didn't say he don't make mistakes because not one single person on this earth can get everything right, but do you believe that Arsenal would be a better club without him??

I think not!

He could of fucked of at the first sign of trouble but he didn't he's here and he's fighting hard.

[highburyJD]

I still live in a wenger knows camp

but think he probably is bluffing... of course he's bluffing
we've shown interest in Torres, Ribery, Babel and Malouda
just as we showed interest in Essien, Robben and Ronaldo when they where first considering moves to the prem
but we don't have as much money as some of our rivals - simple

means we have a poker game to play if we want to get our targets
coming out and saying we have no money breeds negativity (in media, the fans and the share price)
but saying we will def make signings cre8s a diff pressure

if we can approach the thransfer deadline with a seemingly lassez-faire attitude we can bid low on a 'take it or leave it' basis

if the board/manager guarantee signings they will be held to ransom

I don't think wenger can or will pay through the nose for a player - we couldn't match the prices/wages paid for Torres, Babel, Ribery and Malouda

Signing any of them would also have been a shove backward down the pecking order for Theo

Our best chance of winning trophies is basing a team around Fabregas who hasn't started the season that well
yes I know he's scored, assisted, nobbled wankers etc etc - but they been Frank Lampardesque do nothing but the stats type performances

vital we can do that - not play that well but be clinical when it counts
having said that we need Cesc back to running games like he can

[gus ceasar is a legend]

Exactly the kind of answer I was expecting 1886!#

I never mentioned once that the club would be better off without him and never said anything to give that impression.

Instead of asking questions of me why not answer a few questions I set in my post above my friend?

As for the fighting hard statement.......how? By signing Sagna Eduardo and Fabianski?

Well wow! What a statement of intent that is!

[highburyJD]

Or maybe someone here can offer a valid reason why a team that until recently was filled with the class of Pires, Henry, Bergkamp and Viera is now being touted as the next best thing when full of the class of Eboue, Bentdner, Flamini and Song?

we've lost from unbeaten team/ current replacements
/lehman
lauren/ sagna - sagna can be at least as good
campbell/ gallas - imo probably a better footballer but v similar to Kolo
/toure
cole/ clichy - cole's better but clichy is improving
pires/ rosicky - little motzart has been disapointing (which to some extent pires was in his first season) Bobby is one of our greatest ever players
vieira/ fabregas - different players vieira would fight so the team could play arguably cesc needs the team to fight so he can play
edu,gio,parlour/ gilberto - gilberto all the way
freddy/ hleb - in his top seasons freddy could switch between trojan worker out wide to spare striker the second he approached the box, freddy needed service Hleb is there to provide it - maybe his best position is behind a striker
bergkamp/ adebayor - hard worker ade...... but the best player I've ever seen is a hard level to match
henry/ rvp - hmm actually is DB the best I've ever seen... on his day Titi was unplayable, RVP can't match that level but maybe he can get close on stats? 25 goals is possible from RVP with an injury free run

[gus ceasar is a legend]

What sort of comparrisons are those?

Comparing Cec to Viera? They are two completely different players!

Compare Viera to Gilberto if anything!

Hleb to Freddie? As you state yourself two completely different players!

Was you trying to back up what I said or was you trying to differ as I frankly cant out either way?

[Magic Hat]

why the f**k has Djourou gone out on loan when we already needed a centre half? Why didn't we take Babbel?

Djororu will learn a lot at Brummie when the team struggles, in the long term it could a brilliant move, short term, we can switch players around to cover. Babbel, overpriced, decent young talent but emphasis here on decent, he is vastly overated and has not come on as people hoped.

Why does it feel like somebody swithced the price tags when players like Henry, Vieira, Reyes, Bobby, Sol, Edu leave the club for peanuts or nothing?

because we sell them while ageing rather then when they can be useful to us? The Edu thing was bad but Sol was humanitarian, he needed to leave to get his head straight so we released him.

To these gloriously (if not stupidly) faithful people I bring you ......Igor Stepanovs, Alberto Mendez, The Beast Baptista, selling Pires and keeping Seaman to long!

Igor: Decent reserve defender, 6-1 defeat debut meant no matter how solid he was the rest of the time, everyone remembered him badly.

Mendez: Don't remember him

The Beast: Talented player but took half a year to get fit (thank you Real) and then was played out of position up front. Like nearly everybody else, forget his shooting boots but it cost us nothing to test him out in the Prem.

Pires: He has done what since? Got injured? An ageing player who refused to accept club policy and will never be the power he was with us.

Seamen: We still needed to find a new keeper and Seamen wasn't that bad in his last year, a notable decline but we still finished second and won a cup.

I am starting to wonder if this is now a point of principal to Arsene....I will win the league without spending a penny hence proving I am the best in the world. He has won the league on a reasonably level financial playing field. Is the big challenge to do so again with the odds and pound notes stacked against him?

Or he thinks "I have a fantastic squad with young players set to emerge in the next few seasons, with the new stadium debts, I'm not going to be reckless or pay silly money for someone." He has septn when he has found a player he likes so far

Or is Arsene lieing to us as the board have done for ages? You will remember that Arsene said he would bring in a "super super class" player so we cannot be as skint as some suggest! Or are we but for now Arsene has bought into the smokescreen tactic the board have created?

Or that Arsene said that with Henry going, he was using the money elsewhere so the super star buy thing was off?

Please accept that there are people inside the game that know a hell of a lot more than us! Hence this is one of the reasons we are being permanently butt fucked over the price we sell our players for! Did the Barcelona board know how much we was in the red and so offered us a price lower than the market rate but too good to refuse by the board. If our cupboard is nicely stocked why didn't we play hardball like we did with Mr Tweedy? We all know the Spanish have been tapping him up for years now! This also again shows that the board and Arsene know the worth of a player. So when they say "super super class" they know what that costs in todays market. Why is Arsene now saying players are over priced? He was happy to pay a fortune for Wiltord's services a few years back!

Cole was a young talent and we wanted to annoy Chelsea, Henry wanted to leave to Barca so we would have to sell at some point is slightly past it, may have injury problems now, it limited what we could sell him for

I myself feel we are being bluffed and the club are playing on the blind faith by spouting shit through Arsene's mouth! Do you really think that Arsene Wenger does not want another forward when he has currently in his squad one forward who has scored a Premiership goal? Yeah yeah c'mon! Maybe there is a grand plan for world domination which includes this period of skintness and lack of ambition which needs to be rode out and hidden with some well placed words from some trusted lips?

Only two Prem games in and with two of them having been injured? Van Persie is going to be allowed to flourish, Ade makes a good forward and Silva has proven his worth for his country, Bentedar and Walcott make promising cover with the big dane adding another option. I don't see why he would want to spend money there, we are well stocked up front. Then we have Vela coming through as well so in a year or two we have 6 strikers

Or maybe someone here can offer a valid reason why a team that until recently was filled with the class of Pires, Henry, Bergkamp and Viera is now being touted as the next best thing when full of the class of Eboue, Bentdner, Flamini and Song?

So your comparing past it and even retired first teamers with up and coming reserves? Might want to try again with something more fair

And dont give me the usual excuse of age and retirement! There are the players out there who could have been bought to replace that proven class with new proven class!

Replace Pires maybe but not sure who and Diaby could replace Viera but nobody can do what Henry and Ice man did, they were one offs like all great players.

Or shall I tell you why? The club is right now content being also rans or in other words fourth place!

That is why the players want to win the title?

I still cant believe we didn"t make a move for Ribery,the type of wideman we need who has been in superb form for Bayern. He cost Bayern £17m, we could have bought him with the money we got for Henry.

I'm not a fan of his but 17 million is probably too much for anyone not of Henry's class for Arsene.

And how did Wenger think we would cope at centre half when he loaned Djourou to Birmingham.One more injury at centre half and we are in shit street.Last season we ended up with Gilberto playing Centre half.The Djourou loan was plain crazy.

So we would be forced to play proven right backs at right back to cover for Sanga going inside? Meanwhile Djorou improves a lot and learns from the relegation clashes.

We are also short up front with both Bendtner and Eduardo novices when it comes to playing in the premiership.The rumours are now Manure are interested in Anelka.We could have signed him a month ago.

Couldn't make it at Real and Liverpool with a bad record at getting on with others should replace a proven international scorer? Or RVP? The bid dane will be useful this season

[WengerKnows]

ditto rebel , i would love to see Anelka back . He can sulk all he wants as long as he carries on scoring . We need a pacy striker who can beat offside traps and do well one vs one with the goalie ( young walnut is still raw as freshly caught sushi ) . Anelka's overall game has improved a lot and he holds up the ball and links up play really well . Personally i am shocked we didn't buy him this season especially since it is well known that Wenger rates him highly .

Nic still has atleast 3 or 4 good seasons in him after which he can be sold to Portsmouth

[All_Arsenal_1886]

Spot on Magic Hat,

Gus it just sounds like Arsenal/Arsene can do nothing right at the moment, i want "Super Signings" aswel but if Arsene thinks we don't need them then i trust him, also i was trying to say that i'm in the Arsene knows camp but that doesn't mean i think he gets everything right because he don't, and to me it sounded like you had given up already even though the season has just started.

[gus ceasar is a legend]

Magic Hat you are clearly just arguing for the sake of it now!

Your knowledge of football is limited quite clearly and all you are doing is turning comments and fact to make half cocked answers to try and use as replies!

What the fuck do you know about Babel's price and development so far? Part of the Dutch youth set up are you? No thought not! Been folllowing him for some time now? No! Youth coach qualified to assess a player? No!

You then answer about the price tags! You answer the easy ones like Edu and Sol but do not answer the more controversial. It is widely accepted that we have let players go cheap. Dont try and argue the toss otherwise.

Next more absolute pearls of wisdom! Stepanovs was a decent reserve defender! Pint of what Magic Hat is drinking please! Reverve players do not have signing press confrences like Stepanov's did and they are not given the number 3 squad number! The Beast was good in the second half of the season was he? What Beast was you watching? Was you on Bodmin Moor as the one we all saw was shite which is why months before the end of the season Arsene made it clear he was being shipped back with a thanks but no thanks tag round his neck! Pires? Pires getting injured was a coincidence! By your logic even if we signed Pires for a further season he would have still damged his knee playing on a different pitch in a different country? Joke! You even say then that Seaman was in decline but its ok cos we won a cup and came second! Is that how a goalkeeper is judged? No again!

On to the next beauty! Arsene thinks we have a squad which will emerge in the next few seasons hey? Well then why is he saying we can win it this year? Why did he mention super super class?

Oh yes the super spuer class thing! You suggest that Arsene says he is using the money elsewhere now as at the time he didnt know TH was going! He said before TH was going that he wanted to bring in super super class which means he had the money then to do that or at least wanted us to think that! Even if he had to use that super super class cash to replace TH there is still then the odd £23 million and slashed wage bill floating about from the combined TH/FL/AA transfers. So how does your arguement stack up?

Now the strikers! What about two games in and injured? The fact is at the start of the season one of our strikers was proven in the Premier leage and only one of them had scored in the Premier league! To suggest that is strong enough is folly and in fact complete bollocks!

Now you go on about unfair comparisons! Yes I am comparing first team players who featured heavily four years ago with players who are featuring heavily now! If the comparison is unfair that is only to do with the golf in class between the players!

Now please tell me what the fuck Djorou learns which is so valuable by being in a relegation battle? If the a relegation battle is the place to learn why did he send Bentdner to the same club when they was in a promotion chase last season?
I can aee Arsene thinking " Hmm four months loan at Birmingham on loan to learn from a relegation battle even though there is no relegation battle yet as its the first four months of the season will do Djorou good! That relegation experience will come in handy at Arsenal year upon year!" Utter utter made up Dream Team clap trap!


I have given up the ghost with you Magic Hat as even though I am sure your a nice bloke you also come across as one of these people you hear in pubs talking like they are Ron Atkinson! Full of shite and football catchphrases! I fully expect to hear you say "lollipop at the back stick giving it the eyes" in your next reply!

By all means challenge and disagree with what I say but have the decency to back it up with fact and reasonable arguement not the fantasy football you have swimming around in your head!

[donaldo]

So Magic hat

you are not a fan of Ribery.Are you happy that we are playing a failed full back on the wing or Theo who is not ready. Ribery is an out and out winger who can do the job that Eboue and Walcott cant.Ribery has proved himself at European level and at the world cup.You know nothing about football as your comment that Stepanovs was a decent defender proves The man was SHIT. As for your comment about Pires even with one leg he would have played better than Hleb and Rosicky last season.