FCUK YOU DEIN

Cockerill's chin · Post by **Cockerill's chin** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:50 pm

I was hoping Borat may aim the Kazak catapults at Usmanov's corporate box. Could be an entertaining pre-kick off ritual.

thatgooner · Post by **thatgooner** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:59 pm

Come on Arsenal shareholders. Stand strong!!

Us-Fat Prick-manov can get lost, He couldnt give one of his fat chins for the club, an even has a private box at chelsea!!

Hagbard 23 · Post by **Hagbard 23** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:47 am

I just read on the BBC that the fat Bastard actually considered buying into Spurs first, but decided that 'cos he was an Arsenal 'fan' , decided to invest here!!!

Oh he also says he wants to invest because Wenger is "the best manager in the world"

Make no mistake lads, this guy has a long term agenda.
HE WANTS ARSENAL FC.

TheOne2Smooth · Post by **TheOne2Smooth** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:51 am

I'm planning dress up as borat no to ubekistan!

augie · Post by **augie** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:57 am

Can I just say that to say that DEin sold out to usmanov out of greed or to destroy the club is utter utter bullshit. DD sold out to usmanov cos he wanted to attach himself to somebody/anybody with enough financial clout to pursue his dream of taking over the club again. So while we all can & will all knock him for the choice he made here there is no point talking shite about his motives

Galasso · Post by **Galasso** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:05 am

augie wrote:Can I just say that to say that DEin sold out to usmanov out of greed or to destroy the club is utter utter bullshit. DD sold out to usmanov cos he wanted to attach himself to somebody/anybody with enough financial clout to pursue his dream of taking over the club again. So while we all can & will all knock him for the choice he made here there is no point talking shite about his motives

Thus David Dein is doing what he is very goot at - promoting himself and he wants to have power again at the top level of English and European Football (FA Board, UEFA G14)

If his only motive is as you set out, then he obviously hasn't considered the motives of Usmanov or his past, and the possibility of de-stabilising the club.

Would you accept Arsenal being controlled by this man (Usmanov) regardless of Dein's involvment?

26may1989 · Post by **26may1989** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:34 am

augie wrote:Can I just say that to say that DEin sold out to usmanov out of greed or to destroy the club is utter utter bullshit. DD sold out to usmanov cos he wanted to attach himself to somebody/anybody with enough financial clout to pursue his dream of taking over the club again. So while we all can & will all knock him for the choice he made here there is no point talking shite about his motives

Sorry Augie, the utter bullshit is the naivety of believing that DD banked Â£75million for any reason other than feathering his own nest.

I don't think DD wanted to destroy the club, I just don't think he cared nearly as much about the club or us as much as his own financial interests. Perhaps that's fair enough, it might be silly to say he should sacrifice such an enormous payday for the sake of a football club and its fans, but to say he sold his shares for any other reason than greed isextremely naive.

If his only objective was to get money into the club, there are various things he could have done to achieve that short of selling his shares directly to Usmanov. Eg, he could have sold the shares to a joint venture company in which he and the chosen billionaire would have shares, retaining a high degree of control and preventing the club being open to takeover by someone like Usmanov. The only reason he didn't do that is to achieve the highest sale price. And bugger the club and us.

Cockerill's chin · Post by **Cockerill's chin** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:17 pm

Augie, like you I cannot fail to see the massive positive impact DD made on the club, but his choices since leaving have been worse than misjudged. If he had found Usmanov before Kroenke, we would now have a morally dubious eastern oligarch with 35% of the club's shares.

I cannot readily dismiss the Â£75million DD got for his shares as playing no part in his motive. Money always plays a significant part, but I agree that his place as chairman of RWH would have been a critical clause for him.

I agree, that DD's motivation is probably that he loves Arsenal so much and thinks he could play such a significant role in the future that he would side with the devil to get back involved. This thinking though is fucked up. He must have a very big opinion of himself if he thinks he can tame the Uzbek to the Arsenal tradition. It wont be the Arsenal he loved that he returns to, but an oligarch's toy.

Precedent has shown at Hearts and Chelsea that control over board affairs is retained by close advisers. Worse still, interference is seen at pitch level. Wenger would not stand for that. Whether it is right or wrong, Wenger has a cult following amongst his playing staff and the effect of him leaving Arsenal acrimoniously would be devastating.

DD either misses his Arsenal so much he has become confused, or thinks so much of his ability to control others he is deluded. I have no faith in a deluded or confused man.

augie · Post by **augie** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:28 pm

100% agree with you cocks chin when you say that DD's thinking is totally fucked up on this issue. I know I have long been a defender of DD but nowhere on my previous post have I taken that position cos his choice of "bedmate" here is repulsive to us all. All I said in my posting is that he didnt sell the shares to make a killing or screw the club cos if he did he would not have insisted on being chairman of Red & White Holdings. He has "got into bed" with usmanov in an effort to gain control of our club again and as much as I would like to see his return I would never want to see Usmanov own our club so before some of you quote me in your responses please read my opinions as they stand now not as they were pre usmanov cos I think you will find them quite similar to your own

Cockerill's chin · Post by **Cockerill's chin** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:44 pm

I haven't disagreed with you on the DD issue, its a crying shame all the good work he has done has been drowned by recent calamitous choices.

Can't overstate how dangerous the consequences of those decisions may be. Usmanov scares me shitless. AST needs to rally and stop playing PC.

Galasso · Post by **Galasso** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:45 pm

Augie

Did anyone on the forum, as you suggest, seriously say that Dein sold out to destroy the club?

If they did, then that IS fucked up. But the point is more that people are worried that "destroying the club" will be the indirect consequence of what he has done. More than the money, I see Dein as being interested in the prestige possibilities he sees.

I would have liked to have to have seen Dein back at the club because of the working relationship with AW and his expertise in football admin and his schmoozing skills. But, this was always on the basis, as I posted at least 3 months ago, of what baggage came along with him.

What he is doing and has done in trying to tie himself to anyone who would allow him a way back to the club, without considering the consequences - consequences which are not without foundation - is not putting the best interests of the club at heart.

And as much as you might despise the board, and if they do sell up and the back of huge profits - I say FUCK 'EM - as I posted before. But, we have stability and progress and sometimes it's better the devil you know.

Cus Geezer · Post by **Cus Geezer** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:04 pm

there is no point talking shite about his motives

Augie, you are talking shite about his motives.

David Dein's only interest was the money.

You are like a little mo type battered wife making excuses for her Trevor.

I have warned about Dein since the start, this was exactly the type of shit the greedy little *word censored* is capable of.

I bet if Dein has a beloved pet cat or dog it would be spinning around on one of those things in a kebab shop if the owner made the right offer.

augie · Post by **augie** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:06 pm

Cus you are truely one eyed

Dein's greedy motives are for the greed of power and not the Â£75m he got for his shares. If it was just about the money then why stay involved with red & white holdings ? If you want to have a pop at the man at least do so for the right reasons - it is not as if he hasnt given you a big enough reason

Cus Geezer · Post by **Cus Geezer** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:19 pm

If it was just about the money then why stay involved with red & white holdings ?

Probably because of the lure of carrying on receiving a salary from Arsenal, as he did in his former capacity of Managing Director.

Post by **Belfast Boy** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:29 pm

Augie we at least agree on that point, this is indeed, IMO anyway, largely about control of AFC, but the simple fact is that in pursuing his own personal ambitions he has put the club at risk by selling his only stake in the thing he professes to love to someone like Usmanov and half hoping that the Grove project would fail and that is completely unacceptable!