Chill out - we can't change things. What will be, will be.

[USMartin]

Why are you unwilling to actually say anything to our Board then? Are we really just happy to just accept things. Are we that hopeless?

I have no opinions on the board. I'm not willing to start a debate with you about it. I just honestly don't know why you are trying to convert everyone with your feelings. You've made over 2,000 posts now, and have expressed your points in great detail. Either people agree with you or they don't. Why waste our time, and your time, trying to preach?

You may be in a minority on your feelings, but maybe not. But even if every single Arsenal fan in existance did agree with you, it probably wouldn't change anything.

It may not. But saying nothing won't for sure.

[OnlyGotOneSong]

The Board won't sack him. They are reliant on him for their financial position.

Fixed that for you.

See what their lack of passion for Arsenal has done. It's not just killing the passion of those inside the team but those who live to support the team.

This si the real leagcy of what the Board has done in our time.

You've made your point. Everybody understands how you feel. So why do you feel the need to repeat yourself over and over again? Even Wenger would say that there's "deja vu" in your posts.

Thanks for the 'fixing' Martin, but my point is clear - the Board are reliant on Wenger, not the other way round. That is why Wenger can do what he wants and answers to no-one. I thought you would have understood the subtlety of the argument.

I think you more than anyone on here should chill out. I happen to make you right on most points about Wenger and the Board, but you seem to like re-stating the point over and over.

Just chill out!

I understood your point - I just believe that it's wrong. The Board aren't complete incompetents. In fact they very compeotent about running their buisiness. That may be part of the problem. They are almost too competent for the club's good. I just don't believe that the sole difference between how we ran this club fron 1998-2005 came down to David Dein imposing his will over the Board..

I feel very badly Frank at how we all - myself included - have chosen to turn on each other over the past several years over this. But reading how this has just destroyed your passion for Arsenal to the extent it has just angers me that much more. You and supporters like you deserve better from Arsenal than this.

Haha, brilliant!

[USMartin]

Im now at a point, where I no longer care about how well/shit Arsenal play at the weekend. The usual footy banter just goes in one ear and out the other because our lack of ambition has lessened my interest in football. Last year, half time at home to Chelsea, I packed my bags and went to stay at a friends house for a couple of days (Spud fan, don't know what I was thinking) because I knew i'd start an argument because we'd have lost. Now, I just don't care.

I don't know who is to blame (Wenger/the Board) or what the solution is but something needs to change. We can argue and moan on here all day long but it won't change anything for our football club. Contrary to many people's beliefs, I dont think we are one or two players away from winning a trophy. We're a board and a new manager away from one.

That is something we all should be outarged by what they are doing to US. What have we ever dione to Arsenal but support it absolutely faithfully with our money and our hearts. What did we do to deserve this?

[Bring Back Pires]

Why are you unwilling to actually say anything to our Board then? Are we really just happy to just accept things. Are we that hopeless?

I have no opinions on the board. I'm not willing to start a debate with you about it. I just honestly don't know why you are trying to convert everyone with your feelings. You've made over 2,000 posts now, and have expressed your points in great detail. Either people agree with you or they don't. Why waste our time, and your time, trying to preach?

You may be in a minority on your feelings, but maybe not. But even if every single Arsenal fan in existance did agree with you, it probably wouldn't change anything.

It may not. But saying nothing won't for sure.

Fair enough. But you've told us now. There's no need to keep telling us. Maybe find some other fans who aren't aware of your views.

[Irish Gooner]

I echo the OP, I've never been so disheartened about the team as I am now.
I used to be pro-Wenger ffs, look at me now. I can barely deal with any praise for the bloke and as for listening to him...

Even if we were shite, why can't we go down with pride, dignity and fight. Wenger talks bullshit about these buzz words in his players, if anything we have none.

Our team and club are bullied and laughed at. Nothing is done. I dont take well to that shite.

You're right Frank, we just have to throw any expectations out the window now as long as Wenger is here. If it's Uefa Cup, so be it. At least we can play different sides and maybe win something.

[QuartzGooner]

To paraphrase my post from Frankbutcher's similar thread a few days ago:

We are far from going down the pan.
Many envy us both on and off the pitch.

A new goalkeeper and defensive midfielder would work wonders, both are obvious weaknesses, add too a defensive coach and it would be great.

Without these we will likely finish 3rd/4th in League and reach last 16 of Champions League.
Not enough for many, but far from disaster or humiliation.

[Bring Back Pires]

Many envy us both on and off the pitch.

Ignorance is bliss.

It's not for others to judge whether or not our house is in order.

[QuartzGooner]

Many envy us both on and off the pitch.

Ignorance is bliss.

It's not for others to judge whether or not our house is in order.

Certainly is.
We can judge, so can others.

Anyone would think we had got relegated the way some people go on.

We are not competitive for the title this season, it frustrates, but we are well placed to compete over the long term.

[I Hate Hleb]

To paraphrase my post from Frankbutcher's similar thread a few days ago:

We are far from going down the pan.
Many envy us both on and off the pitch.

A new goalkeeper and defensive midfielder would work wonders, both are obvious weaknesses, add too a defensive coach and it would be great.

Without these we will likely finish 3rd/4th in League and reach last 16 of Champions League.
Not enough for many, but far from disaster or humiliation.

Is that what it's going to need to take before people wake up?

[QuartzGooner]

Wake up to what?

The world and his wife can see what is right and what is wrong at our club.


Wenger is around for another four seasons, including this one.

Either

Szczesney grows into the keeper we want, and Frimpong and Coquelin become the defensive midfielders we need, and Aneke, Afobe and Wellington Silva take care of attack, and we finish second or third, with a couple of cups, and with a helping of luck we win the league.

Or

We stay as we are and cling on to fourth.


Then Wenger retires and we see what happens.

[mrgnu1958]

EXACTLY!!!!

[I Hate Hleb]

Many envy us both on and off the pitch.

Ignorance is bliss.

It's not for others to judge whether or not our house is in order.

Certainly is.
We can judge, so can others.

Anyone would think we had got relegated the way some people go on.

We are not competitive for the title this season, it frustrates, but we are well placed to compete over the long term.

Providing, of course, that the other clubs ahead of us themselves deteriorate or self-combust, and that those chasing us don't also get a rich owner and improve.

So effectively what a once great and successful club is reduced to is taking the 'Annie' approach and proclaiming:

The Sun will come out
Tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar
That tomorrow
There'll be sun!

[1989]

Whoever says they don't care anymore are having a laugh; you might say that on here, but deep down you know you do care.

Lost passion yes, but I'll always follow the team and look for our results.

[Exiled-Gooner]

Firstly,i like to state i'm Arsenal through and through.I followed our great club for over 40yrs over land and sea (and Leicester)and in no way will i ever divert from that path!!!now that's done.....

I admit i haven't had any expectations of us winning the league since Chelsea was taken over and threw money about while we tightened our purse strings and now Shitty have money the likeliness of us winning the title has lessened.Don't get me wrong i was in 2007/08 praying to God that we win but bottled it when we had games in hand and points also and again last season when twice given the chance of snatching it we played like a mid/table on the last day instead of a team in with a chance!!!.

I'm a realist and while Wenger holds the reins i expect possibly a domestic cup(if we get the luck of the draw) but always a top 4 finish as it's the new ''title'' but that doesn't make me less of a gooner but what i've seen over the last 5 yrs.It seems to me Wenger is banking on UEFA imposing the new financial ruling so to prove is theory right.

[Its Up 4 Grabs Now]

At least once in each of the last couple of seasons there’s been a moment (or twenty) when I’ve said fuck it just enjoy the ride and what will be will be. And each time I’ve lasted until the next game & then gone straight back into getting worked up & pissed off again. I've given up giving up now.