Now is the summer of our discontent

[brazilianGOONER]

Guys, this is what I tried to warn everyone about in April and May. The exact words that came out of Wenger's mouth were virtually identical to those from two and three years ago at the same time of the season.

Go on to the archives on Arsehole.com and look up his post match reaction to the 1-2 at Old Trafford in 2008 and the 1-4 stuffing at home to Chelsea a year later. Laced with the same comments as in 2011.

The season ticket money rolls in, the players report back to pre-season training, they flatten a bunch of part-timers from Austria / Malaysia / Timbuctoo, and all his softness reappears. "We were very close", "one or two additions", "internal options", "'x' is like a new signing", "true to our beliefs", "we have learned a lot", "x,y and z are more mature now" etc etc

Can I ask why anyone would chose to believe the same comments three years later ?

This manager is amongst the most emotionally weak in top class football - he does not know how to bomb out the "never will be's" in a way that Ferguson did with the likes of Kieran Richardson. He can't accept that some players just don't take the next step from the age of 18 & 19 - he lives with the hope that Vela will be a world beater at 28 and that suddenly Fabianski will become a top class keeper, when the watching world knows it simply won't happen. Look how long we 'nurtured' the likes of Randall, Simpson etc before they were eventually sold. How long will we have Mannone kicking around ?

The guy is like a self-harmer - in April & May he'll be at his wits end once more wondering why life is so miserable, but rather than confront the very issues making his life a misery, he'll revert to type time and time again.

Please go back and read his April and May ramblings from 2007 onwards and marry them up against what actually happened in the transfer window that immediately followed.

The guy is incapable of ever turning Arsenal into a trophy winning side again. It's not stubborness either; it's weakness

what a top post, mate.

and sad.

[charliegeorgewhocanhitem]

Guys, this is what I tried to warn everyone about in April and May. The exact words that came out of Wenger's mouth were virtually identical to those from two and three years ago at the same time of the season.

Go on to the archives on Arsehole.com and look up his post match reaction to the 1-2 at Old Trafford in 2008 and the 1-4 stuffing at home to Chelsea a year later. Laced with the same comments as in 2011.

The season ticket money rolls in, the players report back to pre-season training, they flatten a bunch of part-timers from Austria / Malaysia / Timbuctoo, and all his softness reappears. "We were very close", "one or two additions", "internal options", "'x' is like a new signing", "true to our beliefs", "we have learned a lot", "x,y and z are more mature now" etc etc

Can I ask why anyone would chose to believe the same comments three years later ?

This manager is amongst the most emotionally weak in top class football - he does not know how to bomb out the "never will be's" in a way that Ferguson did with the likes of Kieran Richardson. He can't accept that some players just don't take the next step from the age of 18 & 19 - he lives with the hope that Vela will be a world beater at 28 and that suddenly Fabianski will become a top class keeper, when the watching world knows it simply won't happen. Look how long we 'nurtured' the likes of Randall, Simpson etc before they were eventually sold. How long will we have Mannone kicking around ?

The guy is like a self-harmer - in April & May he'll be at his wits end once more wondering why life is so miserable, but rather than confront the very issues making his life a misery, he'll revert to type time and time again.

Please go back and read his April and May ramblings from 2007 onwards and marry them up against what actually happened in the transfer window that immediately followed.

The guy is incapable of ever turning Arsenal into a trophy winning side again. It's not stubborness either; it's weakness

Another top post, my thoughts that I find very hard to type into words (lazy old fucker that I am) exactly sir

[USMartin]

This is Tea Party level know-nothingness at best. What is next - "...he has a deep-seated hatred of White People?"

[USMartin]

Of course the real problem here is that 2005 should have been the summer of our discontent. Or 2006. Or 2007. Or 2008. Or 2009. or 2010.

Couldn't be our being to content in the five previous summers has had anything to do with any of this could it?

[Cockerill's chin]

This is Tea Party level know-nothingness at best. What is next - "...he has a deep-seated hatred of White People?"

What do you means by this? Are you implying that all those who hold Wenger to account for his part in our demise are ignorant? Where the hell does the race analogy fit?

Always the same USM. You are so obsessed with the previous shareholders that you don't want any Arsenal criticism directed away from them.

Your obsession with them has turned you into a Wenger apologist. He is not a teflon don.

Life isn't black or white. Even though part of your argument is right, your obsession to paint everything with the same brush makes you plain wrong most of the time.

[cardinal2011]

This is Tea Party level know-nothingness at best. What is next - "...he has a deep-seated hatred of White People?"

WTF????????


Can you at least try and explain what you are trying to get at?

[USMartin]

This is Tea Party level know-nothingness at best. What is next - "...he has a deep-seated hatred of White People?"

What do you means by this? Are you implying that all those who hold Wenger to account for his part in our demise are ignorant? Where the hell does the race analogy fit?

I was simply comparing that to remarks that were driven by political extremism such as the GlennBeck remark I quoted here. Some of the comments on here were at best pure psychobabble.I

'm expecting people here to be endoring the opposition songs about Mr. Wenger soon if this sort of bizarreness based on unfounded claims and false psychanalysis is acceptable now.

[USMartin]

Always the same USM. You are so obsessed with the previous shareholders that you don't want any Arsenal criticism directed away from them.

Actually the problem is we are letting "The New Board" do the very same thing, and again the millionaires will benefit while the supporters suffer for it.

Stan Kroenke's mis-leading promise about not financing his purchase of the Club with leveraged debt(since by rule if not law he doesn't own enough of the club to even consider that choice) while deliberately refusing to rule out dividend leveraging the the takeover(something that Hicks and Gillette did at Liverpool)which he only needs the Arsenal Board now to vote in favor of no matter how the supporters might view this or how much less money that leaves to invest in the football team.
We are making the very same mistake now we made since 2005 when we were too wedded to trusting the Arsenal Board to simply show some genuine concern thta could have influenced just how much money was actually invested in the football team during thoose years and thus how much more successful we could have been. Many people seem more concerned about not acknowledging that in fact we might have made that mistake at that time and several times after that than learning from it and not making it again now.

I have spoken to AST Members who have confirmed that Mr. Kroenke and other Club representatives continue to insist there is no reason to worry about the clyb being debt-leveraged as though they have made some selfless decision not to do so when no such thing happened (he owns 61% of the club, not the required 75% - period) yet they have not once ruled out dividend leveraging the financing or even answered the question, a painfully familiar bit of bait-and-switch strategy perhaps.

Certainly if we are unwilling to press them on this how long before the announcement that the club is paying out anywhere from 18-72 million GBP in shareholder dividends. After all if we won't ever question how they run the club or why should they consider how we might feel about this decision ahead of time? And if Mr. Kroenke is familiar with one thing about Arsenal it is how closely the supporters seem to pay attention to what is actually haoppening inside the club. You think he hasn't noticed how our layalty to the Board can be used to his advantage?

[USMartin]

] Your obsession with them has turned you into a Wenger apologist. He is not a teflon don.

No he's not and he never has been. If anything Arsene Wenger is an irrelvancy now , and any Arsenal manager will continue to be so long as the club puts investing in increasing its owners's - whoever they may be -personal wealth ahead of investing in the team's success

Life isn't black or white. Even though part of your argument is right, your obsession to paint everything with the same brush makes you plain wrong most of the time.

Agreed completely. I think the problem if anything is that back in 2005 and even six years on there are too many people who are so wedded to their belief in their vision of Arsenal and what makes Arsenal unique and special that protecting their vision was more important than the truth about what might actually be happening in side the club and why it might be happening and how it would affect the Club and the Football team. I think the idea of simply questioning the possibility they might be acting in their own interests rather than the club's was impossible for them in 2005 and in many cases reamains the case right to this evening.

I think a recent blog that was titled "Don't Believe the Truth" sums up everything about the last six years really and how we have ignored what was happening inside the club and in affact allowed it to happen by doing so. We have to stop this at some point for the club's sake.

[TeeCee]

US Retard loves Wenger the Economist!!

[Babu]

This is Tea Party level know-nothingness at best. What is next - "...he has a deep-seated hatred of White People?"

No, it is more than that, Martin.

He hates the British. It must be that. He has been sent to destroy the greatest symbol of Britishness the Isles have ever had.

Founded by Scots, in London, with a Yorkshireman as it's greatest manager, and with a long history of great Irish players at the Club, a Symbol for all that was great about Britain and the Empire, and now he has infiltrated this bastion of all that was once Honourable, and wants to destroy 'The Arsenal Way' from inside.

It was a very cunning plan, almost perfect! But...there is hope...

We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I will say: It is to wage war, by sea, land, and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be.

Victory shall be ours! Destroy the Dictator!

[storrmin571]

This is Tea Party level know-nothingness at best. What is next - "...he has a deep-seated hatred of White People?"

No, it is more than that, Martin.

He hates the British. It must be that. He has been sent to destroy the greatest symbol of Britishness the Isles have ever had.

Founded by Scots, in London, with a Yorkshireman as it's greatest manager, and with a long history of great Irish players at the Club, a Symbol for all that was great about Britain and the Empire, and now he has infiltrated this bastion of all that was once Honourable, and wants to destroy 'The Arsenal Way' from inside.


It was a very cunning plan, almost perfect! But...there is hope...

We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our policy? I will say: It is to wage war, by sea, land, and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: It is victory, victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be.

Victory shall be ours! Destroy the Dictator!

You forgot the Welsh - Racist (joke just in case someone over reacts)

[Babu]

You forgot the Welsh - Racist (joke just in case someone over reacts)

I always do that!

One Aaron Ramsey, there's only one Aaron Ramsey!!!

And of course Bob John and Charlie Jones from our 30s sides, and Derek Tapscott, Dave Bowen and keeper Jack Kelsey from our 50s teams.

The only Welsher who was a bit of a traitor for us was Dan Lewis, the keeper who infamously gave the FA Cup to the Welsh in 1927.

[Cockerill's chin]

That's what gets me about you USM. You voice a crucial concern about Kroenke's potential to cripple the club financially.

This is enough. It is an important enough message that you don't have to attempt to persuade forum after forum that one of the most influential managers in world football (in terms of influence over their club) is an irrelevance.

You also don't need to justify your obsession with dragging up the now irrelevant previous shareholders with the weak excuse that Kroenke sees a precedent for an unquestioning sheep fanbase.

If Kroenke takes out dividends to fund the debt then there will be a reaction that will try to force him out of the club. In terms of pitchside, we can only judge Kroenke if he has the motivation to sack AW if we don't genuinely challenge for the title but achieve top four.

[USMartin]

That's what gets me about you USM. You voice a crucial concern about Kroenke's potential to cripple the club financially.

This is enough. It is an important enough message that you don't have to attempt to persuade forum after forum that one of the most influential managers in world football (in terms of influence over their club) is an irrelevance.

Is it though? I mean it wasn't enough to get anyone concerned to enough to question whether the Board was protecting the club's best interest or just their own the past six years. You'll have to forgive me but I don't beieve had i just metioned once anyone wouild have given it then or now anymore serious thought then we can see most gooners gave it or rather didn't give it then. Say it once it just gets ignored.

And its not simply Arsene Wneger being reduced to an irrelevance any manager working at Arsenal under these conditions would be unless they already were an irrelevance.

You also don't need to justify your obsession with dragging up the now irrelevant previous shareholders with the weak excuse that Kroenke sees a precedent for an unquestioning sheep fanbase.

Complete rubbish. Frankly the sole reason we even face these concerns is that Board and its actions, and frankly that Board is still the Arsenal Board of the past three seasons with one noteworthy absance If in fact this does happen it will prove that the Board not only put its self0-interest first but frankly was so selflishly motivated they willing to put us in the same jeopardy that Liverpool was put iin by Hicks and Gillett when their former owners sold to those rats. I would say that is a pretty relevant concern and makes the past board and its actions still rather relevant now whether the people who looked away or assumed they were simply incapable of such acts or motives would like to thiink.

Here 's little test - list the current board members then just check and see who was on the Arsenal Board oh in December of 2008, even November of that year. I'll save you the trouble - with the exepttion of Dan Fiszman's departure it is the very same Board to a man. Think about that.

If Kroenke takes out dividends to fund the debt then there will be a reaction that will try to force him out of the club. In terms of pitchside, we can only judge Kroenke if he has the motivation to sack AW if we don't genuinely challenge for the title but achieve top four.

I would hopre your right although the reaction to the idea even if simply not accepting what we knew were mistatements and lies from out Board for several years with virtually no response at all give me pause here, especially when you offer that we must wait to see kind of statement as well. Just as many have said let's wait and see what the Board does then we'll question it if we need to. How's that working out anyway?

I couldn't give a toss about our Board or whether their greedy bastards or at the head of the chaitable lists. I couldn't care if they were really nice blokes or utter bastards. I couldn't care if they were actually Gooners like us or detested us to the last man. I care whter they cheated me - and you - and every other gooner - out of happiness and celebration for no other reason than simply to make themselves even richer because that is just wrong and inexcusable if that is the case and what we know suggests it possibly even probably was.