As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Willshire he looked a good prospect 2 seasons ago, then misses an entire season and comes back the finished article get a grip lads,he was nowhere near the level Cesc was at his age, and I doubt he ever will be.
The british media have him hyped to the fucking gills, it's ridiculous. I'm not saying he won't become a very good player, but whether he would make the line up in a great Arsenal side I'm not convinced.
Wilshere still has it all to prove. A great great prospect but name one game that he has seized by the bollocks and dominated. He is very far from the finished article, but of all of our young players he's probably the only one with a realistic chance of getting to the highest levels - but there's no guarantee...
I've warmed to Neville over the last couple of years. For me he is the best pundit out there and he is 100% right about us. The criticism never gets to you=know-who though does it?!
Agree with those saying Sagna would get into the Invincibles side. He is the standout player from now that is better than his equivalent from a decade ago.
I do wonder how the likes of Arshavin would have got on in that side though. Surrounded by better players and more demanding players. Guys who wouldnt tolerate lack of workrate etc. I dont think Arshavin would have been another Pires but he might have had an Overmars type season maybe?
DB10GOONER wrote:Wilshere still has it all to prove. A great great prospect but name one game that he has seized by the bollocks and dominated. He is very far from the finished article, but of all of our young players he's probably the only one with a realistic chance of getting to the highest levels - but there's no guarantee...
It's funny but I was thinking something similar about cazorla on saturday night - santi is a very good player no doubt but earlier in the season some (fools) were suggesting that the guy is better than cesc and I feel saturday showed that up for the bullshit that it is. Saturday was the type of game that would see cesc everywhere, covering every blade of grass -I am not saying that he would be the stand out player on the pitch but he most certainly would have been our driving force as we tried to take control of the game. Cazorla by comparison was virtually anonymous for large parts of the game and that is not good in a team that has virtually no creativity elsewhere. People understandibly question giroud's impact (or lack thereof) but in a team that has fcuk all creativity it is damn hard to properly judge him. I have little doubt that cazorla will not be at our club in 12 months time - this is his peak years and he needs to be playing in a top side if he is to have any chance of breaking into the spanish national team and by his body language right now it does suggest that he can already see that we are not a top team Of course when he goes next summer it will be suggested by inside club sources that he hasnt settled in england and that is the reason why we have sold him rather than admit the truth about where the club now stands in world football
DB10GOONER wrote:Wilshere still has it all to prove. A great great prospect but name one game that he has seized by the bollocks and dominated. He is very far from the finished article, but of all of our young players he's probably the only one with a realistic chance of getting to the highest levels - but there's no guarantee...
It's funny but I was thinking something similar about cazorla on saturday night - santi is a very good player no doubt but earlier in the season some (fools) were suggesting that the guy is better than cesc and I feel saturday showed that up for the bullshit that it is. Saturday was the type of game that would see cesc everywhere, covering every blade of grass -I am not saying that he would be the stand out player on the pitch but he most certainly would have been our driving force as we tried to take control of the game. Cazorla by comparison was virtually anonymous for large parts of the game and that is not good in a team that has virtually no creativity elsewhere. People understandibly question giroud's impact (or lack thereof) but in a team that has fcuk all creativity it is damn hard to properly judge him. I have little doubt that cazorla will not be at our club in 12 months time - this is his peak years and he needs to be playing in a top side if he is to have any chance of breaking into the spanish national team and by his body language right now it does suggest that he can already see that we are not a top team Of course when he goes next summer it will be suggested by inside club sources that he hasnt settled in england and that is the reason why we have sold him rather than admit the truth about where the club now stands in world football
Me too. But I would qualify that by saying Cazorla is very different from Cesc. Cazorla was negated on Saturday by Fergie very cleverly using Rooney to snuff out Arteta. Cazorla needs to pick up good passes from Arteta when in the hole between the oppo midfield and defence where he does his best work. No quality passes from Arteta and Santi looked a bit lost tbh. Norwich dealt with him by compressing the space between the back 4 and midfield. Cazorla is a quality player agreed, but he is a bit limited in his effective role and a good tactician can negate him at times...
How long before he gets frustrated playing with poor performers like AA23, Forehead, Ramsey, Santos etc and wants a move?
highburyJD wrote:VanStaplecunt was for his one injury free season
Absolutely!
Sorry donaldo, but RvP was (and is) clearly world class. I don't see how anyone can think otherwise, to be honest
RVP had one good season FFS Cesc had 7
You don't think RvP is world class? really?
Fair enough, each to their own - although I think you're letting your heart rule your head on this one, because I honestly didn't think that was even remotely controversial. I bet most players and managers would rate him as world class, but perhaps I'm wrong...
Tbh if he's conquered his injury problems then who gives a fuck what he's done in the 7 seasons before last? Makes no difference to United how many goals he scored in 2006, fact is he's one of the best strikers in the world right now and unless his injury problems return (please please please please please) he's world class.
northbank123 wrote:Tbh if he's conquered his injury problems then who gives a fuck what he's done in the 7 seasons before last? Makes no difference to United how many goals he scored in 2006, fact is he's one of the best strikers in the world right now and unless his injury problems return (please please please please please) he's world class.
DB10GOONER wrote:Wilshere still has it all to prove. A great great prospect but name one game that he has seized by the bollocks and dominated. He is very far from the finished article, but of all of our young players he's probably the only one with a realistic chance of getting to the highest levels - but there's no guarantee...
I would say Barca at home in 2011...There were very many great midfielders and Alex Song on the pitch but that night Jack was head and shoulders above the rest. I accept he has a lot to do and learn and it's a sign of how desperate we have become that we look to a young player coming back from over a year out with injuries to be our saviour.
DB10GOONER wrote:Wilshere still has it all to prove. A great great prospect but name one game that he has seized by the bollocks and dominated. He is very far from the finished article, but of all of our young players he's probably the only one with a realistic chance of getting to the highest levels - but there's no guarantee...
I would say Barca at home in 2011...There were very many great midfielders and Alex Song on the pitch but that night Jack was head and shoulders above the rest. I accept he has a lot to do and learn and it's a sign of how desperate we have become that we look to a young player coming back from over a year out with injuries to be our saviour.
Agree he was our man of the match in that game and it showed how much he'd matured that year but are you seriously saying he dominated the match? Might have got confused in the subsequent blizzard of piss-poor performances from us but as I recall we weren't even in the game for 70 minutes, Xavi and co pissed all over us again.
Fabregas was a brilliant player for us but it feels like history is being slightly rewritten because unless my memory is fading, I cannot honestly remember him dominating the games against the big opposition in the league.
maybe i've forgotten a game or 2 but I really cannot remember him dominating ever against Manure or the Chavs. The only period Isaw him dominate the league was the first 6 months of the 07/08 season...the one we should've won the league in. Beyond that he was injured lots or inconsistent against the really big teams.
highburyJD wrote:VanStaplecunt was for his one injury free season
Absolutely!
Sorry donaldo, but RvP was (and is) clearly world class. I don't see how anyone can think otherwise, to be honest
RVP had one good season FFS Cesc had 7
You don't think RvP is world class? really?
Fair enough, each to their own - although I think you're letting your heart rule your head on this one, because I honestly didn't think that was even remotely controversial. I bet most players and managers would rate him as world class, but perhaps I'm wrong...
To be world class you have to perform at the highest level over a period of years not on one good seaon.Messi Ronaldo and Henry achieved that.Between 2004 and 2010 RVP spent half of every season on the treatment table.Good player yes but not world class the same as Rooney is not world class
The problem santi has is that he is in a far worse team than Cesc ever was so it's even harder for him to be dominant imo......it's all a mute point really comptaring players who played with different groups of players, anyhow we are getting worse and worse with every transfer window.
We will sell theo and like it or not we will be a worse team for losing him, then sagna off on a bosman in 18 months (there or there abouts I think), Arshavin off too.
Going to give up on this lot if it continues to decline like this, I could accept a mediocre team (as long as they put the effort in) if the team, manager, directors etc etc are on mediocre wages........
EDIT: Sorry that was a bit off topic so would like to add gary neville is still a c unt
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:The problem santi has is that he is in a far worse team than Cesc ever was so it's even harder for him to be dominant imo......it's all a mute point really comptaring players who played with different groups of players, anyhow we are getting worse and worse with every transfer window.
We will sell theo and like it or not we will be a worse team for losing him, then sagna off on a bosman in 18 months (there or there abouts I think), Arshavin off too.
Going to give up on this lot if it continues to decline like this, I could accept a mediocre team (as long as they put the effort in) if the team, manager, directors etc etc are on mediocre wages........
EDIT: Sorry that was a bit off topic so would like to add gary neville is still a c unt
topgoon wrote:Fabregas was a brilliant player for us but it feels like history is being slightly rewritten because unless my memory is fading, I cannot honestly remember him dominating the games against the big opposition in the league
maybe i've forgotten a game or 2 but I really cannot remember him dominating ever against Manure or the Chavs. The only period Isaw him dominate the league was the first 6 months of the 07/08 season...the one we should've won the league in. Beyond that he was injured lots or inconsistent against the really big teams.
So tell me who carried the team from 2005 to 2011? Oh Helb Rosicky Diaby Denilson and RVP
he looked a good prospect 2 seasons ago, then misses an entire season and comes back the finished article 
Of course when he goes next summer it will be suggested by inside club sources that he hasnt settled in england and that is the reason why we have sold him rather than admit the truth about where the club now stands in world football 
