Will Ingerland Ever Win Anything Ever Again?

[Rosie_titters]

things have got so bad at international level, that the fans and media don't mind Roy Hodgson being the boss, the expection of the country has deminished in the past Taylor, Keegan, Hoddle, McClaren all got so much abuse.

we really lack creative midfielders, our experience players have had there day and are in decline and we still rely on Rooney too much up front.

any national team that has Shawcross, Milner & Welback says it all.

[GranadaJoe]

While football may have been cyclical in the past it isn't today. Spain, France and Germany have developed because they took a long hard look at themselves and made fundamental changes throughout their game, not least being the recruitment and training of thousands of coaches and the realisation that 9 year olds playing with full-size footballs on full-sized pitches only breeds the type of footballer that Stoke love to buy.
Could it happen in England? Maybe, the FA certainly have the money, but the billionaires who own the clubs only want success and young English talent may struggle.

[wilko49er]

Not a hope in hell.

[safcftm]

You never know. Personally I doubt we will ever have the best team at a tournament in my life time (and I'm only 28) but Denmark and Greece have shown in the relatively recent past that sometimes all you need is a bit of luck, if they can win a European Championship then so could England, its just very unlikely. Until we radically change our approach to youth football and coaching we've got no chance of producing a team with enough top class players to give us a realistic shot at winning a tournament though, we'll be relying on luck.

[manninger]

Yes - and sooner than most people think!!!

no-just look at germany...miles ahead -spain also.....their youth is just brílliant...get real, please...oh, get us a anager form the uk...it makes me laugh!!!!

we dont have quality managers from the uk....but hey...we don't have quality players either...so who cares

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Yes - and sooner than most people think!!!

no-just look at germany...miles ahead -spain also.....their youth is just brílliant...get real, please...oh, get us a anager form the uk...it makes me laugh!!!!

we dont have quality managers from the uk....but hey...we don't have quality players either...so who cares

Does that include Fergie

[QuartzGooner]

With a football mad population of about 48 - 50M, a reasonable number of training pitches and a lot of professional clubs training players from ages of eight upwards, it can happen.

But outside of the clubs, we need to have more balanced youth coaching with emphasis on technique, more five and six-a-side games for players under age 16, more schools having their playing fields returned and less reliance on junk food.

[DB10GOONER]

While football may have been cyclical in the past it isn't today. Spain, France and Germany have developed because they took a long hard look at themselves and made fundamental changes throughout their game, not least being the recruitment and training of thousands of coaches and the realisation that 9 year olds playing with full-size footballs on full-sized pitches only breeds the type of footballer that Stoke love to buy.
Could it happen in England? Maybe, the FA certainly have the money, but the billionaires who own the clubs only want success and young English talent may struggle.

^^ This sums it up for me.

Would also add that Ingerland need to teach players (from childhood) better technique and teach coaches/managers proper tactical awareness. If you watch Spain and Germany they do two of the key things needed in interlull football - they retain posession and they are tactically patient. They are technically able to pass it around effectively and they are patient in their build up when required. When I watch Ingerland I'm shocked by how easy they lose posession. Everything is panic panic, get the ball forward, lump it into the box, zip it about. That may be entertaining in the PL but to be successful at Interlull level you have to be able to retain the ball effectively and be tactically and strategically astute.

[safcftm]

While football may have been cyclical in the past it isn't today. Spain, France and Germany have developed because they took a long hard look at themselves and made fundamental changes throughout their game, not least being the recruitment and training of thousands of coaches and the realisation that 9 year olds playing with full-size footballs on full-sized pitches only breeds the type of footballer that Stoke love to buy.
Could it happen in England? Maybe, the FA certainly have the money, but the billionaires who own the clubs only want success and young English talent may struggle.

Just noticed this post and its spot on. The FA like to come out and make grand statements about a "root and branch" review every time we fail but the fact is they are still an organisation that is largely resistant to change, they say the right things in the weeks following a tournament and then, by and large, nothing changes. Look at Stuart Pearce, an awful manager who got a job by being a yes man, did an awful job in the last 2 tournaments at under 21 level and even when they let him go they say they'll "find him a job somewhere in the FA", why? What has he done to deserve another FA job? Basically his face fits, he's one of the boys now, same as fucking Trevor Brooking who still hangs around.

We don't have anywhere near enough quality coaches in this country, there is too much emphasis placed on winning at ages when really the kids should be developing their technique and they are moved onto full sized pitches too quickly. England could win something, anyone can with a bit of luck, but we'll never start producing genuinely world class players on anything like a "regular" basis until kids start learning the basics from a young age, you can coach the rest but if a kid gets to 12 and he doesn't have a good touch and can't pass a ball properly there's fuck all chance for him. Typically in England if he's that shit but happens to be able to run quick as fuck he'll probably end up in the prem on 20k a week for a few years until he's found out.

[flash gunner]

Answer to the thread title . . . . No

[Nos89]

Yes- the Sir Stanley Rous cup is being re-introduced to the football calender.

We can't keep blaming the FA as is there a more corrupt football association in football than the Brazilian FA? We have the quality in this country what they lack is the desire/ passion to push themselves to the very top. But, and this is the most important aspect, have we got an English coach that can get the players to sing their national anthem as proudly and as passionately as Scolari got the Brazilian players doing???

There are some great out of work English coaches, if they are talking about quotas for English players in the premier league, shouldn't there be quotas for English coaches/managers in the premier league?

[Red Gunner]

We have the quality in this country what they lack is the desire/passion to push themselves to the very top. But, and this is the most important aspect, have we got an English coach that can get the players to sing their national anthem as proudly and as passionately as Scolari got the Brazilian players doing???

The Spanish anthem doesn't even have words and they've won three major competitions in four years. External passion doesn't mean that much in football, you have to have technique and tactical knowledge. The "England, ROAR" attitude won't win anything. The likes of Messi, Iniesta, Riquelme and Pirlo never show much external passion yet they are some of the best football players I've ever seen. For England, Scholes, Owen, Cashley and Rooney have never been passionate "singers" but they were/are England's best and most consistent performers.

[safcftm]

Yes- the Sir Stanley Rous cup is being re-introduced to the football calender.

We can't keep blaming the FA as is there a more corrupt football association in football than the Brazilian FA? We have the quality in this country what they lack is the desire/ passion to push themselves to the very top. But, and this is the most important aspect, have we got an English coach that can get the players to sing their national anthem as proudly and as passionately as Scolari got the Brazilian players doing???

There are some great out of work English coaches, if they are talking about quotas for English players in the premier league, shouldn't there be quotas for English coaches/managers in the premier league?

I don't actually think we do have the quality. Look at the best players in the world at present, where would you put the highest Englishman? Our "best" player is probably still Rooney but I'd have him quite far down the list of Premier League players nevermind the list of best in the world- would he actually get a game for Spain, Brazil, Germany or Argentina? He might get a game for Italy I suppose but even then its far from certain. Gerrard and Lampard at their peak weren't even challenging for the best midfielder in the world at the time, we have a lot of players who look good in the PL and then look horribly limited when tested in international competition against the worlds best when they don't have Ronaldo/ Yaya Toure etc to carry them, England haven't played really well in a tournament match for fucking ages (actually the last one I can really remember was that Holland game in 96 although I must be forgetting one or two good performances, I hope!)

As for the English coaches, I'm not convinced there either, we've got very few qualified coaches compared to other european countries and this lack of competition doesn't help push the standard up, just look at the shitty bunch of managers we produce, by and large talentless twats that keep doing mediocre jobs everywhere they go but somehow staying on the merry-go-round. We need a massive overhaul of football in this country but I can't see the FA ever going for it.

[Red Gunner]

Our "best" player is probably still Rooney but I'd have him quite far down the list of Premier League players nevermind the list of best in the world- would he actually get a game for Spain, Brazil, Germany or Argentina? He might get a game for Italy I suppose but even then its far from certain.

This Spain team have got the best collection of midfielders ever but it is the same side that started Torres in the Confederations Cup final. I'm pretty sure they (and any other team in the world) would take Rooney ahead of Torres. I think people can be a bit too harsh on Rooney, it's probably because he isn't as good for England as he is for Man Utd. The guy is no white Pele but when on form, he is one of the best strikers in the world.

[highburyJD]

Prior to this era, Spain had few globally known, legendary players. I can only think of Raul, Di Stefano and Hierro.

Pichichi and Zamora have LaLiga's individual trophies named after them so we've all heard of them
and Butragueno, the Vulture, had an unforgettable nickname

I think of Di Stefano as Argentinian

Pichichi and Zamora are from Olgit's time for fuck's sake , I give you Butragueno though.

Di Stefano was born in Argentina but played for Spain.

only cause in those days players playing abroad never played for their country of origin
don't think he even played for Arg when he was in Colombia let alone Spain

True, but since he racked up 31 caps for Spain (25 more than his Argentina caps tally), he'd be most remembered as a Spanish player I'm sure.

not by the Spanish, or the Argentinians
so no...