Will Ingerland Ever Win Anything Ever Again?

[goonersid]

There have been various comments in recent weeks as to how Ingerland can move forward and when the nation can expect to see a major tournament win
Hoddle has said they should target the Euros rather than the World cup (cunning plan) and some other arsehole from the FA has said there will be a major triumph in the 2020s, which given the recent humiliation for both the under 21s and yesterday the under 20s seems an incredulous statement.
Do these deluded fools actually believe that Ingerland can win a major tournament and do you the English football supporter think they can?
Lets face it Ingerland are pretty shite, even their qualification for the world cup is far from guaranteed, from a pretty average group, in which they have thus far failed to beat any of their rivals.
So will Ingerland ever win anything again without the intervention of a blind Russian linesman?

[cardinal2011]

God Bless blind Russian linesmen everywhere

[LDB]

Unfortunately my gifts of foresight do not stretch as far as the end of civilisation as we know it so saying "no" is quite difficult to do.

You need a 'probably not' option but without one of those I'll say maybe.

[highburyJD]

not whilst our game is run for millionaires.
a start to changing that (and improving the NT) would be the FA asserting authority over the Prem
In general we need to see some democracy in football, some accountability.
Season ticket holders, other fans and grassroots players - the stakeholders, deciding how the game is run.
I think it could happen... as a wise (ill) old man said, "It always seems impossible till it's done"

[GranadaJoe]

At a time when our 'next generation' are getting beaten by Israel and Egypt. it's hard to be confident we'll regularly qualify for tournaments, let alone win them.

[1989]

I'm sure there were a few people asking the same question about Spain, who before their Euro 2008 truimph, had only ever won one title: the European Cup in 1982.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we're going to be as good as Spain or achieve anything close to what they have done in recent years, but who's to say we won't have a period of sustained glory/golden era just like the one they're enjoying at the moment? England is a massive football country, even more so than Spain, and whilst we aren't producing the same level of talent as they're doing currently, again who's to say that won't change in the future? Prior to this era, Spain had few globally known, legendary players. I can only think of Raul, Di Stefano and Hierro. We on the other hand can boast the likes of Moore, Gazza, Hurst, Greaves, Charlton, Barnes, Adams, Shearer, Hoddle, Robson, Beckham and Owen.

Football is a cyclical game and nothing stays forever. We won't be shit forever, just like Spain won't be brilliant forever.

[highburyJD]

Prior to this era, Spain had few globally known, legendary players. I can only think of Raul, Di Stefano and Hierro.

Pichichi and Zamora have LaLiga's individual trophies named after them so we've all heard of them
and Butragueno, the Vulture, had an unforgettable nickname

I think of Di Stefano as Argentinian

[1989]

Prior to this era, Spain had few globally known, legendary players. I can only think of Raul, Di Stefano and Hierro.

Pichichi and Zamora have LaLiga's individual trophies named after them so we've all heard of them
and Butragueno, the Vulture, had an unforgettable nickname

I think of Di Stefano as Argentinian

Pichichi and Zamora are from Olgit's time for fuck's sake , I give you Butragueno though.

Di Stefano was born in Argentina but played for Spain.

[donaldo]

Prior to this era, Spain had few globally known, legendary players. I can only think of Raul, Di Stefano and Hierro. We on the other hand can boast the likes of Moore, Gazza, Hurst, Greaves, Charlton, Barnes, Adams, Shearer, Hoddle, Robson, Beckham and Owen.

You sound like the English media who tell us Gerrard Giggs and Rooney are world class.Out of the players you list only Moore and Charlton would be called legendary around the world.England havent produced a truly world class player in 40 years.And by world class i mean the likes of Maradona Platini Zidane Maldini Van Basten Messi and Ronaldo.

[highburyJD]

Prior to this era, Spain had few globally known, legendary players. I can only think of Raul, Di Stefano and Hierro.

Pichichi and Zamora have LaLiga's individual trophies named after them so we've all heard of them
and Butragueno, the Vulture, had an unforgettable nickname

I think of Di Stefano as Argentinian

Pichichi and Zamora are from Olgit's time for fuck's sake , I give you Butragueno though.

Di Stefano was born in Argentina but played for Spain.

only cause in those days players playing abroad never played for their country of origin
don't think he even played for Arg when he was in Colombia let alone Spain

[1989]

Prior to this era, Spain had few globally known, legendary players. I can only think of Raul, Di Stefano and Hierro.

Pichichi and Zamora have LaLiga's individual trophies named after them so we've all heard of them
and Butragueno, the Vulture, had an unforgettable nickname

I think of Di Stefano as Argentinian

Pichichi and Zamora are from Olgit's time for fuck's sake , I give you Butragueno though.

Di Stefano was born in Argentina but played for Spain.

only cause in those days players playing abroad never played for their country of origin
don't think he even played for Arg when he was in Colombia let alone Spain

True, but since he racked up 31 caps for Spain (25 more than his Argentina caps tally), he'd be most remembered as a Spanish player I'm sure.

[greengooner]

Hopefully not

[SteveO 35]

I can't see it within the next 10-12 years simply because there are far superior teams throughout the world down to u-17 level

The junior game needs a fundamental overhaul. If that happens then maybe in 15-20 years+ time.....but all the while oversized pitches, win at all costs, kick and rush shite is allowed to rule the roost between the age of 11-16 then never in a million years

[I Hate Hleb]

Yes - and sooner than most people think!!!

[augie]

Where is the coffee spit emoticon when a man needs it ?

Tbf I think jd summed it up best......English football will never progress as long as it is being run for the benefit of millionaires and as long as the fa's authority is usurped by the clubs. People quite rightly slate the English fa but at least you know that their intentions/ambitions are correct even if they are too stupid to know how to facilitate change but the clubs priorities begin and end with money

People cite spain as reason to be hopeful but those doing so are just looking at things at face value - spain may not have been collecting prizes galore but at the same time you could see that they were developing proper footballers in the background (cannot believe that nobody mentioned michel ). For me a fact that is frequently overlooked in these situations is the experience or lack thereof that the players possess - for me it is no coincidence that france and spain started winning trophies when their players started moving abroad in greater numbers than ever before. I look at people like PV4, petit, pires, xabi Alonso etc and see players who have garnered the mental and physical toughness that is a necessity in England and merged that with the technical and tactical skills developed in their homelands and transformed themselves into winners. English players are polar opposites and are so insular it is embarrassing - England have had so many potential top quality players over the last few decades but have only developed so far before running into a proverbial brick wall. How can they take their abilities up to the very top level in a league that values hard work over technique and tactical acumen and british and Irish players also could do with lessens learned from their European counterparts in what it means to be a dedicated athlete. Until all those changes are implemented structures, mindset and attitudes then nothing will change on this side of europe

Btw it might kill all of us to admit it but players like Glenda hoddle, cuntbag sheringham, digger barnes were all players with the technical ability to play at any level