Liam Brady To Step Down/Joncker In

[Top Londoner]

Sounds like Brady is unhappy with something at the club and this has prompted his retirement

ain't you banned?

Yesterday I did not give a fcuk if I was or not - of course I am ruining this forum for the rest of ye so maybe I should be thrown out

Oh no you fucking don't augie.


"augie for mod" thread, Remember that mate????

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Sounds like Brady is unhappy with something at the club and this has prompted his retirement

ain't you banned?

Yesterday I did not give a fcuk if I was or not - of course I am ruining this forum for the rest of ye so maybe I should be thrown out

At fuckin last, we agree on something.....

[mcdowell42]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013 ... CMP=twt_gu

[ThomasMitchell]

Looking at his job as head of youth development i personally think he deserves sacking

^This.

[BournemouthRED]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013 ... CMP=twt_gu

That would be Interesting!

Liam Brady, absolute legend on and off the pitch

[QuartzGooner]

Deserves plaudits.

Took over when Graham had put youth development as a low priority.

Cole, Gibbs and Wilshere all regular first teamers is a fair return in purely football terms considering the position the youth academy was in when Brady took over, if you consider that many others have gone on to make careers in football at Premiership and other levels.

No idea how the finances of the academy are though; transfer fees received have to be offset by development costs which are hard to calculate.

So you are saying that after the Arsenal quality youth team we had in the 80s turned the club into Champions, Graham decided that we would not bother with youth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes.

Graham had good success with the FA Youth Cup in 1988 and 1994 and South East Counties League 1991.
These successes were impressive, but how many players broke through to long term careers with us?

Did anyone outside of Kevin Campbell, Paul Merson and Ray Parlour become regulars?

Andrew Cole, Kwame Ampadu, Gavin McGowan, Mark Flatts, Neil Heaney, Paul Dickov, Ian Selley (injuries ruined him), Scott Marshall, Paul Shaw and others had only brief careers with us.

I believe that the club had to step up it's spend on youth facilities under Wenger, as Graham had placed the youth on low priority from the early 1990's onwards.

Quinn, Merson and Hillier joined under Terry Neill or Don Howe.

Dixon, Bould, Groves and Morrow were some of several players Graham signed from lower and non-league clubs, which was his preferred method rather than youth, of recruiting talent (outside of the bigger money signings he made - Smith, Wright, Schwartz).

Rocastle, Thomas, Caesar, Adams, Keown, Merson, Quinn and Hayes were all developed as youth in large part by Howe, before Graham gave them his "finishing school" (insert Quinn jokes here!).

It is not that Wenger has produced so many more youth players who have been regulars with us than Graham did, but that Wenger has put more effort/money into the youth than Graham did from 1991 onwards, and that many of Graham's successes were actually down to Howe.*

*I stand to be corrected, if someone has greater knowledge than me of the youth set up under Graham please post here, but I am posting what I have read/what I remember.

[OneBardGooner]

Looking at his job as head of youth development i personally think he deserves sacking

It has emerged that Liam Brady has been arguing with wenker for ages...saying that he is bringing through excellent young players and wenker is ruining them with his approach to non-physicality and non-existent tactics....I hope LB blows the lid once he has gone and tells all to the media.......coz if we are to gert shot of the useless myopic *word censored* of a fool...there also has to be unrest shown from within and not just us fans Oooops! I mean 'customers'.

[OneBardGooner]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013 ... CMP=twt_gu

....""Liam has a deep understanding of what it takes to discover and develop a talented youngster into someone who can perform at the highest level," said the club's chief executive, Ivan Gazidis.

"He has made a massive contribution to Arsenal. It will be difficult to find a worthy successor but we will be looking for someone who can build on what Liam and his team have created.""

Gazidis you sneaky lying toerag of a pimp!

Brady is leaving because he can no longer take working for a despot like Wenker - who spoils excellent talent...by insisting they do and play as he commands....

[I Hate Hleb]

Looking at his job as head of youth development i personally think he deserves sacking

It has emerged that Liam Brady has been arguing with wenker for ages...saying that he is bringing through excellent young players and wenker is ruining them with his approach to non-physicality and non-existent tactics....I hope LB blows the lid once he has gone and tells all to the media.......coz if we are to gert shot of the useless myopic *word censored* of a fool...there also has to be unrest shown from within and not just us fans Oooops! I mean 'customers'.

If he did come out and criticise Wenger - which if the above is true, I hope he does - then Brady would only get stick and be called bitter by the Arsene FC fans!

[northbank123]

Looking at his job as head of youth development i personally think he deserves sacking

It has emerged that Liam Brady has been arguing with wenker for ages...saying that he is bringing through excellent young players and wenker is ruining them with his approach to non-physicality and non-existent tactics....I hope LB blows the lid once he has gone and tells all to the media.......coz if we are to gert shot of the useless myopic *word censored* of a fool...there also has to be unrest shown from within and not just us fans Oooops! I mean 'customers'.

If he did come out and criticise Wenger - which if the above is true, I hope he does - then Brady would only get stick and be called bitter by the Arsene FC fans!

"Liam Brady would be nobody if it wasn't for Arsene"

[I Hate Hleb]

Quartz,

I think bringing through only 3 players from the youth system in his 16 years here is a really poor return. especially when only one of them (Cole) has to this point actually played more than 100 games for us, and remember Wenger wasn't overly keen on him initially.

As for the other two, Gibbs has yet to fully establish himself as a guaranteed first team regular and only plays as much as he does due to our paucity and lack of a legitimate option in that position, and Jack would have come through any system at any club such is his talent, so I'm not sure Wenger deserves any credit there either.

So even Wenger's reputation for discovering and nurturing youth players, when given more than a cursory examination, is proving to be nothing more than a myth.

[QuartzGooner]

Quartz,

I think bringing through only 3 players from the youth system in his 16 years here is a really poor return. especially when only one of them (Cole) has to this point actually played more than 100 games for us, and remember Wenger wasn't overly keen on him initially.

As for the other two, Gibbs has yet to fully establish himself as a guaranteed first team regular and only plays as much as he does due to our paucity and lack of a legitimate option in that position, and Jack would have come through any system at any club such is his talent, so I'm not sure Wenger deserves any credit there either.

So even Wenger's reputation for discovering and nurturing youth players, when given more than a cursory examination, is proving to be nothing more than a myth.

I argue Gibbs is a regular, he is first choice left back and has played over 50 times for us with two full England caps.

As was once discussed on another thread a couple of years ago, Wenger's reputation for youth development is much more about bringing in foreign players ages 15 - 20 and turning them into the finished product than it is about developing our own players from age 9 onwards, though there has been a large amount of time and money spent on doing that too.

I would argue that Wenger has been very good at bringing in overseas players and bringing them through to the first team, but much more so before 2006 than after 2006.

The "myth" of Wenger as a youth developer is a transparent man argument, it is something propulgated by the media but he himself has never made out he is great at that.

[StuartL]

I think his reputation stems form the young Vieira and Anelka signings that 2 youngsters signed for (relative) peanuts developed into world class players.

Even with Anelka leaving, seeing how much money we made on the deal and then built the training ground with the money, it still left Wenger vindicated at not being able to keep Nic here.

[georgeknows89]

The fact that Brady has announced his departure for the same time that Wengers contract is up does not smack me in the face as being anything to do with any disillusionment with Wenger because if Wenger was to leave of choice or not, then surely this would leave Brady a happier person and no need to leave until the replacement came in, and if the usual clean sweep of backroom staff took place he would sit their and wait to be made redundant with a big pay off

[Top Londoner]

chippy on the radio now.

Says that Jack will get as many caps as Cashley.
He rates the keeeper.
6-8 highly rated prospects still 18 months away from a breaktrhough.
chippy to get another job at the club.