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clockender1 wrote:the only one i can't think of is throwing giroud on to make it 442 in the cup last year.
other than that - it is what we have seen for some years, poor preparation, ignoring the oppositions strengths, and tactical inflexibility.
other than injury subs, i have never seen wenger make one let alone two subs at HT.
Wenger has PLAN A, sticks with it for 95 minutes, if it works fine then good, if not there's always something outside his control that he didn't foresee, that he can blame it on.
That doesn't qualify as a tactical change for me - we were losing the game and he threw on an extra striker which was basically throwing caution to the wind imo. What I would class as a tactical change is to change our system to suit the opposition and challenge we are facing - yes it includes changing formations (which might be perceived as a contradiction of my previous sentence), but also includes changes in instructions and philosophy. Yesterday we seen chambers getting raped at will by their no mark winger but we did nothing to counteract it - I don't blame chambers as such cos he is still a rookie (and better equipped for centre back) but we didn't go 4-4-2 to provide him with some help, and nor did we shuffle around our back 4 (personally I would have moved gibbs over to right full and put chambers at centre half at half time). We wouldn't think of targeting a weakness in the opposition team or their set up. We wouldn't dream of going two up front to win a game (as opposed to going two up top when chasing the game v wigan) cos le cock believes that his system will produce that winning goal. We wouldn't consider dropping the ox back in front of chambers for fear it might take away some of our attacking threat. We would NEVER look at players and the system half an hour into the match and make changes if it doesn't appear to be working - the 70th minute substitutes are as much part of our gameplan as the tippy tappy shite we see every single game These to me are all examples of tactical changes as opposed to the throwing all caution to the wind against the mighty hull last may
Herd wrote:Because Pires hated Reyes and wouldn't pass to him !
In fact Reyes was shunned by nearly everyone at Arsenal after he didn't stand up to his coach in the national team who made racist remarks about Henry .
Henry himself shrugged it off but Pires hated Reyes ever since which is a shame because I think he could have done well with us.
The amount of times he got left on his own with the ball and no one showing for a pass was embarrassing and led ultimately to his departure.
Funny you should mention this because I recently read on another Arsenal forum that Reyes was apparently bullied by our French players, I never heard of it at the alleged time.
Looking back, it's a bit of a piss take that Reyes essentially killed Pires' Arsenal career only to then retreat back to Spain after his form dropped and he couldn't recover. Robert was twice the player (even at that age) and Reyes turned out to be a waste of time in the end.
Pires' guile and technical brilliance would've been of so much more use than a mentally shot Reyes.
Side eyed glares from Henry to Reyes were a regular feature of the last couple of seasons at Highbury.
Herd wrote:Because Pires hated Reyes and wouldn't pass to him !
In fact Reyes was shunned by nearly everyone at Arsenal after he didn't stand up to his coach in the national team who made racist remarks about Henry .
Henry himself shrugged it off but Pires hated Reyes ever since which is a shame because I think he could have done well with us.
The amount of times he got left on his own with the ball and no one showing for a pass was embarrassing and led ultimately to his departure.
Funny you should mention this because I recently read on another Arsenal forum that Reyes was apparently bullied by our French players, I never heard of it at the alleged time.
Looking back, it's a bit of a piss take that Reyes essentially killed Pires' Arsenal career only to then retreat back to Spain after his form dropped and he couldn't recover. Robert was twice the player (even at that age) and Reyes turned out to be a waste of time in the end.
Pires' guile and technical brilliance would've been of so much more use than a mentally shot Reyes.
Side eyed glares from Henry to Reyes were a regular feature of the last couple of seasons at Highbury.
Absolutely - henry behaved like a total c.unt to reyes and that tarnishes his so called vanilla persona for me People point to reyes lack of success (on an individual level) since leaving us as a vindication of getting rid of him, but he could have been a real star for us and was taking some of the attention from henry who didn't react well to it
Herd wrote:Because Pires hated Reyes and wouldn't pass to him !
In fact Reyes was shunned by nearly everyone at Arsenal after he didn't stand up to his coach in the national team who made racist remarks about Henry .
i heard the same, though what i was told was that Henry was privately furious with Reyes and all the Spanish senior players, and that was also one of reasons for the delay in TH14's move to Barca - he wanted personal apologies first from Puyol & Iniesta.
I was also told that Pires who was born in Spain also allegedly abused Reyes a lot in training in spanish, calling him a hairy monkey.
but thats not the whole story - he was of course a CF at Sevilla and Wenger bought him to be the 'fox in the box' that jeffers failed to be. then wenger played him on the left wing.....
Rob Admin wrote:Genuine question - when did Wenger last make a tactical change in a non-winning situation to win a game?
Genuine answer - NEVER
IMHO - he lost us the champs league final when winning with his tactics even though we went to 10 men - That's how poor he is
Imagine if we played the remainder of the game without a striker and used the 10 to defend, ops see what I did there, I presumed he coached defending my bad!
If he didn't inherit the defence he did after GG he'd have won fuck all in 18 years - FACT
Rob Admin wrote:Genuine question - when did Wenger last make a tactical change in a non-winning situation to win a game?
Genuine answer - NEVER
IMHO - he lost us the champs league final when winning with his tactics even though we went to 10 men - That's how poor he is
Imagine if we played the remainder of the game without a striker and used the 10 to defend, ops see what I did there, I presumed he coached defending my bad!
If he didn't inherit the defence he did after GG he'd have won fuck all in 18 years - FACT
In a final, you don't take off a player of henry's calibre in any circumstance save for injury.
Rob Admin wrote:Genuine question - when did Wenger last make a tactical change in a non-winning situation to win a game?
Genuine answer - NEVER
IMHO - he lost us the champs league final when winning with his tactics even though we went to 10 men - That's how poor he is
Imagine if we played the remainder of the game without a striker and used the 10 to defend, ops see what I did there, I presumed he coached defending my bad!
If he didn't inherit the defence he did after GG he'd have won fuck all in 18 years - FACT
In a final, you don't take off a player of henry's calibre in any circumstance save for injury.
I agree - you go 3 - 5 - 1 with TH14 playing off the shoulder of the last defender.
Rob Admin wrote:Genuine question - when did Wenger last make a tactical change in a non-winning situation to win a game?
Genuine answer - NEVER
IMHO - he lost us the champs league final when winning with his tactics even though we went to 10 men - That's how poor he is
Imagine if we played the remainder of the game without a striker and used the 10 to defend, ops see what I did there, I presumed he coached defending my bad!
If he didn't inherit the defence he did after GG he'd have won fuck all in 18 years - FACT
In a final, you don't take off a player of henry's calibre in any circumstance save for injury.
Ok fella then do remind me from say the 55th minute, after his yellow card please remind me how many times Henry contributed to (a) touching the ball (b) defending cos my memory is still fresh as a daisy as I turned to me mate sat high in stands..... Saying... As good as he is he's fucking knackered for the last 15 mins bring on flamini and defend defend defend all 10 behind the ball.... Instead he took of our most influential player in that final .... 2 mins later the rest is history....
The last straw for reyes was when e got kicked to pieces against manure by the 2 neville *word censored* and swcholes the gingerdaywalker *word censored* - and not one player backed him up....
He was a quality player - both feet and great skills - Pires and Henry must shoulder their share of the blame - I also heard numerous rumours how they ragged him about his basque background etc - Pires is said to have called him names all the time....should be ashamed of himself if true
Reyes was not well educated - basic reading and writing skills even in his own tongue/language were very poor - rumours said they used to rag him about that too.
Pity as he could have been an excellent player for us.
Rob Admin wrote:Genuine question - when did Wenger last make a tactical change in a non-winning situation to win a game?
Genuine answer - NEVER
IMHO - he lost us the champs league final when winning with his tactics even though we went to 10 men - That's how poor he is
Imagine if we played the remainder of the game without a striker and used the 10 to defend, ops see what I did there, I presumed he coached defending my bad!
If he didn't inherit the defence he did after GG he'd have won fuck all in 18 years - FACT
In a final, you don't take off a player of henry's calibre in any circumstance save for injury.
I agree - you go 3 - 5 - 1 with TH14 playing off the shoulder of the last defender.
Rob Admin wrote:Genuine question - when did Wenger last make a tactical change in a non-winning situation to win a game?
Genuine answer - NEVER
IMHO - he lost us the champs league final when winning with his tactics even though we went to 10 men - That's how poor he is
Imagine if we played the remainder of the game without a striker and used the 10 to defend, ops see what I did there, I presumed he coached defending my bad!
If he didn't inherit the defence he did after GG he'd have won fuck all in 18 years - FACT
In a final, you don't take off a player of henry's calibre in any circumstance save for injury.
I agree - you go 3 - 5 - 1 with TH14 playing off the shoulder of the last defender.
LoL ....... I'm sure that's what wanker did .....
even a stopped clock is right twice a day mate.
though i would NEVER have left Hleb on, nor would I have taken Cesc off - a midfield of Pires, Silva, Cesc and Freddie was pretty much perfect.
Hleb offered nothing. no service to TH14 whereas Bobby may of scored on his own.
as the game got stretched, pires would have done them imho.
its sad now looking back how wenger took off Cesc for flamini to protect the 1-0 lead, then waited til 2-1 down to switch hleb for Reyes when it was too late.
had he let Pires and Cesc stay on, and switched Reyes or RVP for Pires in at 1-0, i think that was our cup.
GG with that remaining 10 would never have lost that 1-0 lead. in fact i think we would have sucker punched them on teh break at 2-0.
clockender1 wrote:
Hleb offered nothing. no service to TH14 whereas Bobby may of scored on his own.
Hleb put Henry through 1 on 1 - he created our best chance of the game.
Wenger probably thought a 33 year old Pires wouldn't be able to cope with all the running players have to do when they're down to 10 men - I would've left him on anyway, though. It's Robert Pires FFS!
Rob Admin wrote:Genuine question - when did Wenger last make a tactical change in a non-winning situation to win a game?
Genuine answer - NEVER
IMHO - he lost us the champs league final when winning with his tactics even though we went to 10 men - That's how poor he is
Imagine if we played the remainder of the game without a striker and used the 10 to defend, ops see what I did there, I presumed he coached defending my bad!
If he didn't inherit the defence he did after GG he'd have won fuck all in 18 years - FACT
In a final, you don't take off a player of henry's calibre in any circumstance save for injury.
Ok fella then do remind me from say the 55th minute, after his yellow card please remind me how many times Henry contributed to (a) touching the ball (b) defending cos my memory is still fresh as a daisy as I turned to me mate sat high in stands..... Saying... As good as he is he's fucking knackered for the last 15 mins bring on flamini and defend defend defend all 10 behind the ball.... Instead he took of our most influential player in that final .... 2 mins later the rest is history....
Crack away ....
Surely you're not forgetting his chance to seal it in the 70th minute when Hleb put him clean through.
Rob Admin wrote:Genuine question - when did Wenger last make a tactical change in a non-winning situation to win a game?
Genuine answer - NEVER
IMHO - he lost us the champs league final when winning with his tactics even though we went to 10 men - That's how poor he is
Imagine if we played the remainder of the game without a striker and used the 10 to defend, ops see what I did there, I presumed he coached defending my bad!
If he didn't inherit the defence he did after GG he'd have won fuck all in 18 years - FACT
In a final, you don't take off a player of henry's calibre in any circumstance save for injury.
Ok fella then do remind me from say the 55th minute, after his yellow card please remind me how many times Henry contributed to (a) touching the ball (b) defending cos my memory is still fresh as a daisy as I turned to me mate sat high in stands..... Saying... As good as he is he's fucking knackered for the last 15 mins bring on flamini and defend defend defend all 10 behind the ball.... Instead he took of our most influential player in that final .... 2 mins later the rest is history....
Crack away ....
I too can recall Henry blowing out of his arse, down on his haunches, before taking a corner. He was a passenger for the last 15 mins and should have been subbed for the good of the team but as we all know Wenker doesn't make those decisions.
These to me are all examples of tactical changes as opposed to the throwing all caution to the wind against the mighty hull last may 
People point to reyes lack of success (on an individual level) since leaving us as a vindication of getting rid of him, but he could have been a real star for us and was taking some of the attention from henry who didn't react well to it
I'm sure that's what wanker did ..... 
