As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Another thought, empty seats at the Emirates might cost the manager their job but it’s nothing more than a nose bleed for wiggy.
Empty seats might be non revenue producing if season ticket holders jump ship, but the reality is matchday revenue is becoming a smaller part of the clubs overall turnover. 80000 and 50000 plus fans in Melbourne and Singapore over the last two pre seasons respectively are testament to that. Add to that the huge cash cow that the tv rights represent these days and Kroenke can run the club into the ground and still make a decent return on his minimal investment.
Empty seats protest is not about money as I already said above re the irrelevance if match day income now. It's about bad publicity. I believe protests, demos and swathes of empty seats could help get rid of him (if all thr negatives come to pass) as bad publicity and negative coverage is an issue for him/KSE
Disagree, the stadium being full or half empty is irrelevant. If a sponsor sees there is a huge market in Asia for selling their products, being advertised in a half empty Emirates won’t bother them in the slightest. Let’s be honest about this in a post Brexit world countries like the U.K. will become more and more insignificant to big brands. The PL isn’t about bums on seats in the U.K. it’s as much as how many £100 shirts they can sell in Asia or the US and how much the media companies can make out if tv rights etc etc. As much as I hate to say this times are changing and Kroenke has his finger right on the pulse.
Disagree. A half empty stadium will devalue the brand and therefore less shirts will be sold abroad and AFC will be less attractive to sponsors.
Another thought, empty seats at the Emirates might cost the manager their job but it’s nothing more than a nose bleed for wiggy.
Empty seats might be non revenue producing if season ticket holders jump ship, but the reality is matchday revenue is becoming a smaller part of the clubs overall turnover. 80000 and 50000 plus fans in Melbourne and Singapore over the last two pre seasons respectively are testament to that. Add to that the huge cash cow that the tv rights represent these days and Kroenke can run the club into the ground and still make a decent return on his minimal investment.
Empty seats protest is not about money as I already said above re the irrelevance if match day income now. It's about bad publicity. I believe protests, demos and swathes of empty seats could help get rid of him (if all thr negatives come to pass) as bad publicity and negative coverage is an issue for him/KSE
Disagree, the stadium being full or half empty is irrelevant. If a sponsor sees there is a huge market in Asia for selling their products, being advertised in a half empty Emirates won’t bother them in the slightest. Let’s be honest about this in a post Brexit world countries like the U.K. will become more and more insignificant to big brands. The PL isn’t about bums on seats in the U.K. it’s as much as how many £100 shirts they can sell in Asia or the US and how much the media companies can make out if tv rights etc etc. As much as I hate to say this times are changing and Kroenke has his finger right on the pulse.
Disagree. A half empty stadium will devalue the brand and therefore less shirts will be sold abroad and AFC will be less attractive to sponsors.
Agreed. Sponsors will be quick to express their concerns if the stadium is half empty. The point that Kroenke has his finger on the pulse is also quite correct but that does depend on everybody, fans included, playing along nicely with his plans. The media will be all over any new empty seat protest at the bowl which starts the adverse publicity that will cause the wiggy cu.nt problems on the commercial front. The big difference this time is that hopefully the vast majority of fans at the games can get behind this issue. I don't think that a bunch of JCLs in Asia would be able to prop up the wiggy cu.nt once we get the ball rolling. But as I said before how do we judge when it's time to go. As reasonable individuals we have to let things unfold this season and we won't get a feel for how things are going until next summer's transfer window and if that is just disappointing rather than a no spend what happens then. How do you judge when the wiggy cu.nt has started to take the piss. Or do we forget about reasonable and just get started on him now - tempting as that is, it would affect Unai's first season and quite possibly split the fanbase which we don't need on this one.
But as I said before how do we judge when it's time to go. As reasonable individuals we have to let things unfold this season and we won't get a feel for how things are going until next summer's transfer window and if that is just disappointing rather than a no spend what happens then. How do you judge when the wiggy cu.nt has started to take the piss. Or do we forget about reasonable and just get started on him now - tempting as that is, it would affect Unai's first season and quite possibly split the fanbase which we don't need on this one.
Personally I be inclined to see how this actually plays out before doing anything. The club could really do with some unity and peace after the last few seasons.
The best case we can hope for is the status quo continues in that he doesn't put any money in but does allow a decent amount of money to be spent (Lacazette and Aubameyang for example).
If it does turn out worst case scenario then I can't really see why anyone wouldn't protest.
Another thought, empty seats at the Emirates might cost the manager their job but it’s nothing more than a nose bleed for wiggy.
Empty seats might be non revenue producing if season ticket holders jump ship, but the reality is matchday revenue is becoming a smaller part of the clubs overall turnover. 80000 and 50000 plus fans in Melbourne and Singapore over the last two pre seasons respectively are testament to that. Add to that the huge cash cow that the tv rights represent these days and Kroenke can run the club into the ground and still make a decent return on his minimal investment.
Empty seats protest is not about money as I already said above re the irrelevance if match day income now. It's about bad publicity. I believe protests, demos and swathes of empty seats could help get rid of him (if all thr negatives come to pass) as bad publicity and negative coverage is an issue for him/KSE
Disagree, the stadium being full or half empty is irrelevant. If a sponsor sees there is a huge market in Asia for selling their products, being advertised in a half empty Emirates won’t bother them in the slightest. Let’s be honest about this in a post Brexit world countries like the U.K. will become more and more insignificant to big brands. The PL isn’t about bums on seats in the U.K. it’s as much as how many £100 shirts they can sell in Asia or the US and how much the media companies can make out if tv rights etc etc. As much as I hate to say this times are changing and Kroenke has his finger right on the pulse.
Disagree. A half empty stadium will devalue the brand and therefore less shirts will be sold abroad and AFC will be less attractive to sponsors.
So that’s why after our worst season in over 20 years, for a friendly in Singapore out of a 50000+ crowd 95% of them are gooners with the latest replica kits. Plus Singapore is city state with a population less than London’s.
Another thought, empty seats at the Emirates might cost the manager their job but it’s nothing more than a nose bleed for wiggy.
Empty seats might be non revenue producing if season ticket holders jump ship, but the reality is matchday revenue is becoming a smaller part of the clubs overall turnover. 80000 and 50000 plus fans in Melbourne and Singapore over the last two pre seasons respectively are testament to that. Add to that the huge cash cow that the tv rights represent these days and Kroenke can run the club into the ground and still make a decent return on his minimal investment.
Empty seats protest is not about money as I already said above re the irrelevance if match day income now. It's about bad publicity. I believe protests, demos and swathes of empty seats could help get rid of him (if all thr negatives come to pass) as bad publicity and negative coverage is an issue for him/KSE
Disagree, the stadium being full or half empty is irrelevant. If a sponsor sees there is a huge market in Asia for selling their products, being advertised in a half empty Emirates won’t bother them in the slightest. Let’s be honest about this in a post Brexit world countries like the U.K. will become more and more insignificant to big brands. The PL isn’t about bums on seats in the U.K. it’s as much as how many £100 shirts they can sell in Asia or the US and how much the media companies can make out if tv rights etc etc. As much as I hate to say this times are changing and Kroenke has his finger right on the pulse.
Disagree. A half empty stadium will devalue the brand and therefore less shirts will be sold abroad and AFC will be less attractive to sponsors.
So that’s why after our worst season in over 20 years, for a friendly in Singapore out of a 50000+ crowd 95% of them are gooners with the latest replica kits. Plus Singapore is city state with a population less than London’s.
This your reasoning? That Singapore has fewer people than London. Moscow is the ONLY European city with more. That an Asian country, with a population of over 5.5 million, devoid of any decent football would choose to go see a heavily marketted, one-off game between two famous teams, full of famous players is no great surprise.
AFC has done a good job of marketting the club around the world, and the club has a long history, but the vast majority of these fans will only see the club on TV, and half-empty stadiums do not make for good TV.
Even for Manure and Madrid, shirt sales only bring in about 15 million a year. It is TV money that lays the golden eggs.
I don't think there is anything for Stan to worry about in the short-term. The TV money will continue to roll in, whether we are successful or not and fans and sponsors won't disappear overnight, but if the gradual decline of recent years continues, revenue streams will reduce. Depressingly, he'll probably still be happy enough banking them and investing nothing.
Another thought, empty seats at the Emirates might cost the manager their job but it’s nothing more than a nose bleed for wiggy.
Empty seats might be non revenue producing if season ticket holders jump ship, but the reality is matchday revenue is becoming a smaller part of the clubs overall turnover. 80000 and 50000 plus fans in Melbourne and Singapore over the last two pre seasons respectively are testament to that. Add to that the huge cash cow that the tv rights represent these days and Kroenke can run the club into the ground and still make a decent return on his minimal investment.
Empty seats protest is not about money as I already said above re the irrelevance if match day income now. It's about bad publicity. I believe protests, demos and swathes of empty seats could help get rid of him (if all thr negatives come to pass) as bad publicity and negative coverage is an issue for him/KSE
Disagree, the stadium being full or half empty is irrelevant. If a sponsor sees there is a huge market in Asia for selling their products, being advertised in a half empty Emirates won’t bother them in the slightest. Let’s be honest about this in a post Brexit world countries like the U.K. will become more and more insignificant to big brands. The PL isn’t about bums on seats in the U.K. it’s as much as how many £100 shirts they can sell in Asia or the US and how much the media companies can make out if tv rights etc etc. As much as I hate to say this times are changing and Kroenke has his finger right on the pulse.
wtf has brexit got to do with it! 70m people with amssive spending power, insignificant...
Empty seats protest is not about money as I already said above re the irrelevance if match day income now. It's about bad publicity. I believe protests, demos and swathes of empty seats could help get rid of him (if all thr negatives come to pass) as bad publicity and negative coverage is an issue for him/KSE
Disagree, the stadium being full or half empty is irrelevant. If a sponsor sees there is a huge market in Asia for selling their products, being advertised in a half empty Emirates won’t bother them in the slightest. Let’s be honest about this in a post Brexit world countries like the U.K. will become more and more insignificant to big brands. The PL isn’t about bums on seats in the U.K. it’s as much as how many £100 shirts they can sell in Asia or the US and how much the media companies can make out if tv rights etc etc. As much as I hate to say this times are changing and Kroenke has his finger right on the pulse.
Disagree. A half empty stadium will devalue the brand and therefore less shirts will be sold abroad and AFC will be less attractive to sponsors.
So that’s why after our worst season in over 20 years, for a friendly in Singapore out of a 50000+ crowd 95% of them are gooners with the latest replica kits. Plus Singapore is city state with a population less than London’s.
This your reasoning? That Singapore has fewer people than London. Moscow is the ONLY European city with more. That an Asian country, with a population of over 5.5 million, devoid of any decent football would choose to go see a heavily marketted, one-off game between two famous teams, full of famous players is no great surprise.
AFC has done a good job of marketting the club around the world, and the club has a long history, but the vast majority of these fans will only see the club on TV, and half-empty stadiums do not make for good TV.
Even for Manure and Madrid, shirt sales only bring in about 15 million a year. It is TV money that lays the golden eggs.
I don't think there is anything for Stan to worry about in the short-term. The TV money will continue to roll in, whether we are successful or not and fans and sponsors won't disappear overnight, but if the gradual decline of recent years continues, revenue streams will reduce. Depressingly, he'll probably still be happy enough banking them and investing nothing.
You are missing the point. I went to Singapore in 2007 and watched an Arsenal home game on tv. There where no other gooners in the bar. I believe there where only a handful of gooners that supported the club in the whole city. If you watch AFTVs coverage of the tour, the regs ie Troopz and DT are now celebrities in their own right before you even look at the team. Social Media has taken football (and Arsenal) to the next level. These where real fans not plastics turning up to one game in Arsenal tops. Translate this across Asia and you have millions of gooners following the club. A sponsor pulling the plug because the stadium is half empty when the audience is so big away from the Emirates, is doing nothing but shooting itself in the foot.
What have Arsenal warranted over the last 10 years to attract such support? Yes shirt sales are small compared with tv rights but tv money is much more attributed to global audiences these days than domestic ones. That’s why the income has gone through the roof.
Boring mediocrity is the KSE brand, we will remain profitable as long as he keeps restricting our budget, £70M this season on 5 players, plus a few should have gone that are still here and we should end up somewhere close to £50M net, that says it all really, our rivals spend more than that on one player.
Kroenke has no ambition, he hopes Emery can do what he did at Sevilla/Valencia and get a CL spot on the cheap, not because he wants to win the CL of course but because that means CL cash and better "brand exposure". If Emery doesn't do that, either via EL or top 4 then I think he'll be out after two or three seasons, of course our rivals would sack him after one, rightly or wrongly, because they have higher levels of ambition.
I pity any poor fool who wastes their hard earned (in some cases) cash to go and see this nonsense. I will be sticking to free streams or free highlights if I can be bothered, that is about my level of passion now, about the same as Kroenke's..
Another thought, empty seats at the Emirates might cost the manager their job but it’s nothing more than a nose bleed for wiggy.
Empty seats might be non revenue producing if season ticket holders jump ship, but the reality is matchday revenue is becoming a smaller part of the clubs overall turnover. 80000 and 50000 plus fans in Melbourne and Singapore over the last two pre seasons respectively are testament to that. Add to that the huge cash cow that the tv rights represent these days and Kroenke can run the club into the ground and still make a decent return on his minimal investment.
Empty seats protest is not about money as I already said above re the irrelevance if match day income now. It's about bad publicity. I believe protests, demos and swathes of empty seats could help get rid of him (if all thr negatives come to pass) as bad publicity and negative coverage is an issue for him/KSE
Disagree, the stadium being full or half empty is irrelevant. If a sponsor sees there is a huge market in Asia for selling their products, being advertised in a half empty Emirates won’t bother them in the slightest. Let’s be honest about this in a post Brexit world countries like the U.K. will become more and more insignificant to big brands. The PL isn’t about bums on seats in the U.K. it’s as much as how many £100 shirts they can sell in Asia or the US and how much the media companies can make out if tv rights etc etc. As much as I hate to say this times are changing and Kroenke has his finger right on the pulse.
wtf has brexit got to do with it! 70m people with amssive spending power, insignificant...
Brexit has EVERYTHING to do with it
70m people isnot that many when you put them it a global context - seen how may Asians there are in comparison?
Also massive spending power? Hmmm I think not. The pound continues to fall and that means British people are going to be able afford less and less.
How does that work post Brexit?
well if British people can afford less then Kroenke will just reduce the number of season tickets and let more foreign tourists in. They of course can afford it as the Euro exchange rate is so strong against the pound. Perfect for Kroenke as they of course will also spend more in the club shop.The Emirates will just be a cheap venue for Kroenke to stage the matches.
Another thought, empty seats at the Emirates might cost the manager their job but it’s nothing more than a nose bleed for wiggy.
Empty seats might be non revenue producing if season ticket holders jump ship, but the reality is matchday revenue is becoming a smaller part of the clubs overall turnover. 80000 and 50000 plus fans in Melbourne and Singapore over the last two pre seasons respectively are testament to that. Add to that the huge cash cow that the tv rights represent these days and Kroenke can run the club into the ground and still make a decent return on his minimal investment.
Empty seats protest is not about money as I already said above re the irrelevance if match day income now. It's about bad publicity. I believe protests, demos and swathes of empty seats could help get rid of him (if all thr negatives come to pass) as bad publicity and negative coverage is an issue for him/KSE
Disagree, the stadium being full or half empty is irrelevant. If a sponsor sees there is a huge market in Asia for selling their products, being advertised in a half empty Emirates won’t bother them in the slightest. Let’s be honest about this in a post Brexit world countries like the U.K. will become more and more insignificant to big brands. The PL isn’t about bums on seats in the U.K. it’s as much as how many £100 shirts they can sell in Asia or the US and how much the media companies can make out if tv rights etc etc. As much as I hate to say this times are changing and Kroenke has his finger right on the pulse.
wtf has brexit got to do with it! 70m people with amssive spending power, insignificant...
Brexit has EVERYTHING to do with it
70m people isnot that many when you put them it a global context - seen how may Asians there are in comparison?
Also massive spending power? Hmmm I think not. The pound continues to fall and that means British people are going to be able afford less and less.
How does that work post Brexit?
well if British people can afford less then Kroenke will just reduce the number of season tickets and let more foreign tourists in. They of course can afford it as the Euro exchange rate is so strong against the pound. Perfect for Kroenke as they of course will also spend more in the club shop.The Emirates will just be a cheap venue for Kroenke to stage the matches.
Oh for fucks sake take your fucking Brexit bullshit back to the fucking Brexit thread so I don't have to fucking read it - fucking please
Another thought, empty seats at the Emirates might cost the manager their job but it’s nothing more than a nose bleed for wiggy.
Empty seats might be non revenue producing if season ticket holders jump ship, but the reality is matchday revenue is becoming a smaller part of the clubs overall turnover. 80000 and 50000 plus fans in Melbourne and Singapore over the last two pre seasons respectively are testament to that. Add to that the huge cash cow that the tv rights represent these days and Kroenke can run the club into the ground and still make a decent return on his minimal investment.
Empty seats protest is not about money as I already said above re the irrelevance if match day income now. It's about bad publicity. I believe protests, demos and swathes of empty seats could help get rid of him (if all thr negatives come to pass) as bad publicity and negative coverage is an issue for him/KSE
Disagree, the stadium being full or half empty is irrelevant. If a sponsor sees there is a huge market in Asia for selling their products, being advertised in a half empty Emirates won’t bother them in the slightest. Let’s be honest about this in a post Brexit world countries like the U.K. will become more and more insignificant to big brands. The PL isn’t about bums on seats in the U.K. it’s as much as how many £100 shirts they can sell in Asia or the US and how much the media companies can make out if tv rights etc etc. As much as I hate to say this times are changing and Kroenke has his finger right on the pulse.
wtf has brexit got to do with it! 70m people with amssive spending power, insignificant...
So that’s why after our worst season in over 20 years, for a friendly in Singapore out of a 50000+ crowd 95% of them are gooners with the latest replica kits. Plus Singapore is city state with a population less than London’s.
Thats because the person who founded the Singapore Supporters Club in 2004 (official in 2007) was a top lad who drummed loyalty into them ,modest too ,and very good looking !
So that’s why after our worst season in over 20 years, for a friendly in Singapore out of a 50000+ crowd 95% of them are gooners with the latest replica kits. Plus Singapore is city state with a population less than London’s.
Thats because the person who founded the Singapore Supporters Club in 2004 (official in 2007) was a top lad who drummed loyalty into them ,modest too ,and very good looking !
I'm looking for to the meeja's reaction to the manure fans plan to hold a protest (including the plane flying overhead of course ) next week at the burnley game - their board has refused to give any more money to a pri.ck who has already pished away over £400m on average players (in just over 2 years ), and some of the fans are up in arms over it Of course they should have given him more money to spend on centre halves like bailly and lindelof - who could deny that £80m for (the average) maguire would be a bargain ?
That board has backed successive manure managers since they took over (with the exception of moyes) with big transfer money - their fans are welcome to swap our wanky yank owners with theirs if they think life is harsh now
Personally I am shocked that their loyalty seems to be with a manager who plays negative football (not the manure way apparently ), and who has had public fall outs with several of his players (fatboy shaw, pogba, martial etc) - they sacked van gaal for his style of football, and moaninho is the same style of football but with a bigger mouthier pri.ck
The CB issue is ludicrous. They have 5 first team senior squad CBs - Jones, Smalling, Rojo, Bailly and Lindelof. Two of them cost 70m last summer. Hasn’t sold any, why would the board give more?
Likewise they’ve got two international keepers, Young and Shaw at LB and Valencia and Darmian at RB. They’re similarly overstocked everywhere else.
Their issue is they have a massive squad packed with average players. Whenever they have a poor result, Mourinho buckles under the pressure to drop 2-4 players because there are so many others waiting in the wings. No consistency, no style of play and it’s been the same since van Gaal.
Work colleague is a big United fan and he says to be fair Glazers have never been scared of putting their hand in their pocket for quality. That said they are understandably not a bottomless money pit for Mourinho to burn through and waste more money on more dross, and neither can they make players like Bale want to come there no matter how much Mourinho kicks and screams.
Would you give a bloke who spent 90m on that man-child Pogba and 70m on flat track bully Lukaku another 70m to blow on a 6th CB Harry fucking Maguire??
we have to let things unfold this season and we won't get a feel for how things are going until next summer's transfer window and if that is just disappointing rather than a no spend what happens then. How do you judge when the wiggy cu.nt has started to take the piss. Or do we forget about reasonable and just get started on him now - tempting as that is, it would affect Unai's first season and quite possibly split the fanbase which we don't need on this one.
