Ticket Pricing, Empty Seats, Box & Club Level Empties

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Re: Ticket Pricing and Empty Seats - Fans have had enough!

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MK Gould wrote:Just noticed that our category A game against Bayern Munich has sold out - a month in advance.... :shock: !

Would expect Liverpool to sell out now too, following the West Ham result and the rose jardin d' Arsene.

Shame really as a blatently not full ground v the "glamour" of the bin dippers would be a real wake up call.

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MK Gould wrote:
flash gunner wrote:Just heard on the radio that from next season when the new TV deal starts every club could reduce the price of each ticket by £32 per game and for every game and still have the same amount of cash they have earned this season :shock: :shock: :shock:
The emphasis on "could"..... Anyway, I think we've already spent ours on Theo....:
£32 x 19 games x 35,741 average PL attendance = £21.7m

We'll be lucky if they hold prices as they are.....not a chance they will go down!!! But I hope I'm proved wrong....
You won't be. And the sad thing is that nowadays so many people in this country seem to just accept it. The amount of times I have heard "but they're a business, of course they should be trying to maximise revenue" is sickening. Yes, they are now businesses but they fucking shouldn't be and the fans should have done something about it a long time ago. Sorry to mention SAFC but I'm not as sure about Arsenal's origins but Sunderland were initially the "Sunderland and District Teachers' Association Football Club", it was a club for teachers in the area in much the same way that a working man's club was a club to provide education and recreation for working class men in an area. These kind of clubs do not seek to "maximise revenue" they exist for their members.

As football became more popular, clubs extended their membership so SAFC stopped being purely for teachers and ended up representing the town as a whole in matches against other towns. This is what football should be, it should be clubs representing the people of their local area and it should be ran, as it was initially, by people who share the passion and not ran for profit.

Alas somewhere along the way we forgot that, the clubs stopped being like working mens/ social clubs and became companies, then they started chasing profits with shareholders who cared a lot more for their dividends than they did for their teams FA Cup quarter final result, then they stopped giving a fuck about people from the local area (often not very well off areas, the posher areas often preferring to have a rugby or cricket club) and cared more about well off "customers" regardless of where they're from, they'd happily price out a working class North London lad and his kid from Arsenal if they had an Asian lad or an executive from Manchester or an alien from Mars who could pay 5 times as much.

Somewhere along the line we lost sight of why clubs exist and why football became popular in the first place, largely because it was an escape for the working class man and a good chance for them to forget about work and money troubles and to bond with mates. We lost sight of it so much that now people say "why should they make it affordable, if they can still sell out they should maximise revenue, they're a company not a charity". At some point they took our game from us, lads were priced out and replaced by plastic, middle class families (middle class being the wrong word, I'm middle class meself but you know what I mean). And for some utterly stupid reason we let it happen. Fuck modern football.

PS I might have had a few to drink mind, for whatever reason despite the sanitised, plastic, overpriced shite played by prima donnas and watched largely by wankers I still get a season ticket every season and go home and away, we all do, must be fucking suckers.

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safcftm wrote:
MK Gould wrote:
flash gunner wrote:Just heard on the radio that from next season when the new TV deal starts every club could reduce the price of each ticket by £32 per game and for every game and still have the same amount of cash they have earned this season :shock: :shock: :shock:
The emphasis on "could"..... Anyway, I think we've already spent ours on Theo....:
£32 x 19 games x 35,741 average PL attendance = £21.7m

We'll be lucky if they hold prices as they are.....not a chance they will go down!!! But I hope I'm proved wrong....
You won't be. And the sad thing is that nowadays so many people in this country seem to just accept it. The amount of times I have heard "but they're a business, of course they should be trying to maximise revenue" is sickening. Yes, they are now businesses but they fucking shouldn't be and the fans should have done something about it a long time ago. Sorry to mention SAFC but I'm not as sure about Arsenal's origins but Sunderland were initially the "Sunderland and District Teachers' Association Football Club", it was a club for teachers in the area in much the same way that a working man's club was a club to provide education and recreation for working class men in an area. These kind of clubs do not seek to "maximise revenue" they exist for their members.

As football became more popular, clubs extended their membership so SAFC stopped being purely for teachers and ended up representing the town as a whole in matches against other towns. This is what football should be, it should be clubs representing the people of their local area and it should be ran, as it was initially, by people who share the passion and not ran for profit.

Alas somewhere along the way we forgot that, the clubs stopped being like working mens/ social clubs and became companies, then they started chasing profits with shareholders who cared a lot more for their dividends than they did for their teams FA Cup quarter final result, then they stopped giving a fuck about people from the local area (often not very well off areas, the posher areas often preferring to have a rugby or cricket club) and cared more about well off "customers" regardless of where they're from, they'd happily price out a working class North London lad and his kid from Arsenal if they had an Asian lad or an executive from Manchester or an alien from Mars who could pay 5 times as much.

Somewhere along the line we lost sight of why clubs exist and why football became popular in the first place, largely because it was an escape for the working class man and a good chance for them to forget about work and money troubles and to bond with mates. We lost sight of it so much that now people say "why should they make it affordable, if they can still sell out they should maximise revenue, they're a company not a charity". At some point they took our game from us, lads were priced out and replaced by plastic, middle class families (middle class being the wrong word, I'm middle class meself but you know what I mean). And for some utterly stupid reason we let it happen. Fuck modern football.

PS I might have had a few to drink mind, for whatever reason despite the sanitised, plastic, overpriced shite played by prima donnas and watched largely by wankers I still get a season ticket every season and go home and away, we all do, must be fucking suckers.
There are plenty of working class North London Asian lads who are genuine gooners. I'm going with one to Munich :shock: :wink: :D !

I'm sure that clubs have been run as businesses for longer than we think. When Arsenal won the league 3 times in a row in the 1930's did the Board not line their own pockets? Did the Hill-Woods never make any money out of their involvement in the club...? I guess it's only in recent times though that they have been attractive enough that people would buy shares for pure investment purposes.

But the biggest problem has to be players wages. That's the one thing that has driven up ticket cost more than anything. Until we find some way of capping that then the current situation will continue. Don't forget as well that Financial Fair Play puts even more pressure on the clubs to keep admission prices high!!!

I'm sure that Chav fans were delighted to see Cashley sign a one year deal. But at £200k a week they have to shift 10,000 x £1,000 season tickets just to cover the cost of one player.... Guess it's a similar story with RVP at Utd.... and us with Theo. No wonder the clubs would be reluctant to reduce ticket prices :banghead: !!

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Just noticed that Spuds are charging us £48 for the NLD, whereas we charged them (& us!) £62 at the Grove.... :oops: !

Also - very sad to see so many empty seats at the weekends FAC games. Particularly at the local(ish) derbies Stoke v Citeh (about 8000 below their league average!), and Bolton v Everton. Strange, given all the recent publicity, that there was no shortage of away fans - it seemed to be the home fans who didn't show....

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Paying more than say 50/60 quid for a ticket is daylight robbery, never mind your 90/100 quid for upper tier at category A games. Astonishing how much some people will pay, do they even have a limit I wonder?

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MPs' report tells football to reform or face government intervention.

English football has been told it must introduce reforms within a year or the government may impose changes.

"The involvement of fans is essential for the future vitality of the game and there is a worrying trend as financial interests take hold that the game is becoming remote from the communities from which the clubs originated," said Labour's shadow minister for sport, Clive Efford MP.

With many clubs facing perilous financial predicaments in recent years the committee also says measures to safeguard their future have not gone far enough.

"The financial proposals were hugely disappointing: the financial risk-taking by clubs is a threat to the sustainability of football as a family and community orientated game, which it should be."

link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21238173

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http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... 4-campaign


Highest prices in the country frozen :roll: only next season it'll include Europa thursdays :barscarf:

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If they rearranged the categories it would be fine.

Stoke/Wigan/Aston Villa/QPR and probably many more are deserving of a category C pricing at the very most.

Liverpool\City - Category B

Can't wait for the £35 tickets for Arsenal plc vs Valletta FC next season, of course they couldn't possibly make the cup game lower, as it would be unfair to the season ticket holders. :banghead:

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falkirk goon wrote:http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... 4-campaign


Highest prices in the country frozen :roll: only next season it'll include Europa thursdays :barscarf:
It really is the blind leading that blind at that place. Are they seriously planning to stick with this structure even without CL football? £35 (£38 after fees) minimum to watch us play FC Gomel on a Thursday? Good luck with that. :lol: I honestly think they've got a set of Year 7 business studies students running things over The Arsenal.

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MK Gould wrote:Just noticed that our category A game against Bayern Munich has sold out - a month in advance.... :shock: !
Reading your comment I just realised that I didn't even bother looking to see when they go on sale to buy them. Says it all when a couple of season back I'd have jumped at the chance to see Bayern at home but no way in hell i'm paying £63! Come to think about it all games i've been to this season have been away games. Think it's going to stay that way for a while...

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http://www.arsenal.com/match-menu/35942 ... ab=tickets

Blackburn game cat B we all knew it would be though :roll: robbing fuckers :banghead:

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falkirk goon wrote:http://www.arsenal.com/match-menu/35942 ... ab=tickets

Blackburn game cat B we all knew it would be though :roll: robbing fuckers :banghead:
It is really. Season ticket holders wouldn't have minded if this were cat C as it balances out with bayern being cat A....

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falkirk goon wrote:http://www.arsenal.com/match-menu/35942 ... ab=tickets

Blackburn game cat B we all knew it would be though :roll: robbing fuckers :banghead:
It is really. Season ticket holders wouldn't have minded if this were cat C as it balances out with bayern being cat A....


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FSF launches ‘Twenty’s Plenty’ campaign
http://www.standamf.com/2013/01/18/fsf- ... -campaign/
Good to see!

Cheers,
Thomas

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