THAT chant being sold online.

Post by **flash gunner** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:36 pm

Chippy wrote:Just had a chat with Mrs C who is a very bright lady (and a bit of a pundit) who made the point that if we are going to be holier than thou about this we will have to also stop the Cashley chants and abuse. Hope you're all up for that.

I was thinking exactly the same thing yesterday and was wondering if away boys CD's will be banned from now on (personally i hope so but thats nothing to do with Cashley songs)

RoscommonGooner · Post by **RoscommonGooner** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:39 pm

Chippy wrote:Just had a chat with Mrs C who is a very bright lady (and a bit of a pundit) who made the point that if we are going to be holier than thou about this we will have to also stop the Cashley chants and abuse. Hope you're all up for that.

That has been in the back of my mind all week. But moreso the fear that if one of the Dailys did pick up on this it would be in a general way i.e. they would write an article about all clubs and the songs that are sung. In the process slating The Arsenals supporters and briefly mentioning the ManUre, Spuds and Liverpool ones. I hope this isn't the case.

Clueless_In_Dorset · Post by **Clueless_In_Dorset** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 7:41 pm

Chippy wrote:I e mailed the Grauniad. As some of you may have realised I read it a lot. Just had this reply.

Hi John,

It's being covered by Marina Hyde in tomorrow's sport section and obviously is a worrying issue we're aware of and have been following.

Cheers
James
Vive la revolution.

Bloody good news; means i might have to buy an actual physical copy of the guardian tommorow. Also, ive been telling everyone i work with, and all the customers who come into the place i work to boycott the website, reactions been fairly good so far.

Kiki · Post by **Kiki** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:21 pm

Clueless_In_Dorset wrote:
Chippy wrote:I e mailed the Grauniad. As some of you may have realised I read it a lot. Just had this reply.

Hi John,

It's being covered by Marina Hyde in tomorrow's sport section and obviously is a worrying issue we're aware of and have been following.

Cheers
James
Vive la revolution.
Bloody good news; means i might have to buy an actual physical copy of the guardian tommorow. Also, ive been telling everyone i work with, and all the customers who come into the place i work to boycott the website, reactions been fairly good so far.

Well done!

The fact that it was thousands singing that chant to at OT would make you wonder what kind of *word censored* them manure "fans" are.

harrietharmman · Post by **harrietharmman** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:30 pm

People don't seem to appreciate just how severe and offensive the Wenger chant is. The only chats that compare and are as bad or worse than the Wenger one are those that mock people's deaths. Even racist chanting is no worse that whet Wenger has to deal with - it really is that bad.

Falsely accusing someone of sexually abusing children really is incredibly sick.

As a society we're becoming increasing aware of the impact such false allegations have. Many people in such situations lose their jobs, end up committing suicide, or or even get murdered by vigilantes believing the allegations to be true.

People who make such maliciously false allegations and try to destroy people's lives and reputations increasingly end up in jail these days (though not for nearly long enough). Inventing claims of abuse in order to try to harm another person is equally as bad as actual abuse itself given the damage it generally causes.

It really must be awful for your average person being falsely accused of something like this, but Wenger has to deal with a whole crowd of sick people shouting vile and abusive lies at him whilst he's try to do his job!

I can't think of any chants directed at any individual that are so baseless, disgusting and that actually allege such serious, awful and illegal wrongdoing.

harrietharmman · Post by **harrietharmman** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:41 pm

Ok story is really starting to spread now. Really good work everyone:

Found a good article here:

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/2009/09/ ... 3_sto.html

repeated here:

http://www.anorak.co.uk/sports/221459.html

Also starting to spread internationally with a few sites in Poland picking it up already:

http://www.eurosport.pl/pilka-nozna/pre ... tory.shtml

http://www.tvn24.pl/0,1617643,0,1,wyzyw ... omosc.html

I warned the Amazon PR people they might be busy this week!

olgitgooner · Post by **olgitgooner** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:42 pm

Chippy wrote:Just had a chat with Mrs C who is a very bright lady (and a bit of a pundit) who made the point that if we are going to be holier than thou about this we will have to also stop the Cashley chants and abuse. Hope you're all up for that.

Mrs C DOES have a point.

I'd be happy to make a "trade-off".

But there really is no comparison between accusing somebody of homosexuality (which is not a crime) and accusing somebody of molesting children.

If "homophobic" songs can be punished by the football authorities, then why can't slanderous songs be punished?

augie · Post by **augie** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:29 pm

olgitgooner wrote:
Chippy wrote:Just had a chat with Mrs C who is a very bright lady (and a bit of a pundit) who made the point that if we are going to be holier than thou about this we will have to also stop the Cashley chants and abuse. Hope you're all up for that.
Mrs C DOES have a point.

I'd be happy to make a "trade-off".

But there really is no comparison between accusing somebody of homosexuality (which is not a crime) and accusing somebody of molesting children.
If "homophobic" songs can be punished by the football authorities, then why can't slanderous songs be punished?

I am totally with you on that point oldgit - homosexuality is not a crime and as such taking the piss out of cashly *word censored* calling him gay is not a crime (to the best of my knowledge at least). When those chants turn abusive and offensive to the gay community in general then there is a problem but I fail to see how the songs "one man went to bed" or "cashly is a chav batty boy" can be classed as offensive to gays

The manc and the scum chants are actually accusing wenger of a crime and are labelling him as a criminal and that is slanderous beyond belief

harrietharmman · Post by **harrietharmman** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:42 pm

Guardian artilce can be found here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... nt-arsenal

It's a more wide ranging article concerned with the chant itself and all the failings of the police, Manchester United and the FA etc.

Easily the best part of the article is the first paragraph:

"One is always loth to write off a policy before it has been given time to take effect, yet even though the Arsenal manager has only endured this one for 13 years, perhaps it is pertinent to inquire whether the police and the Football Association's strategy of doing precisely nothing can really be said to be making any inroads."

digger · Post by **digger** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:54 am

Decent article. I like this:

What then of the police, who have power vested in them by the 1991 Football Offences Act? Several Spurs fans who abused Sol Campbell at Portsmouth last September have been convicted this year, but Greater Manchester police have no record of any complaint being made by a member of the public on Saturday. Should they wish to act on their own initiative, they may care to start with the online vendors selling a downloadable version of the chant, presumably for people who don't have enough scumbag friends to sing along with them.

Bring Back Pires · Post by **Bring Back Pires** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:20 am

Anyone seen this?

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion ... 41921.html

Yayatoure8 · Post by **Yayatoure8** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:23 am

Yep that Guardian article made it to the back pages of the Sport edition this morning

digger · Post by **digger** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:38 am

Amazing, the media have all ignore this for ten years, then all of a sudden "discovered" it this week. And now they have the audacity to blame the clubs and OB for not taking action?

Vince · Post by **Vince** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:51 am

Great job guys!

Percy Dalton · Post by **Percy Dalton** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:10 am

Would have been nice of the journalist had recognised the people who had done all the work on this!