Chill out - we can't change things. What will be, will be.

[Iceman29]

Nobody's organizing a revolution. Be sure to congratulate the Board for making a killing when they sell us to some hicks/Gillette types who leverage us into administration because that's what this is all about after all.

I definately will! Very good business indeed. Don't know who they'll sell it to but yea, a good profit. I wish I had a few shares.

I wish you cared a bit more about the club than who makes how much from betraying it. I'm sorry but that is exactly how you portray yourself. I'm not the only one to see it either.

I repeat, I dont want some Yankee or for that matter anyone else to tell me as to how I should support Arsenal Football Club.

BTW does it really matter how I come across on a public forum. I mean, its just a forum in the end

[JMascis666]

Nobody's organizing a revolution. Be sure to congratulate the Board for making a killing when they sell us to some hicks/Gillette types who leverage us into administration because that's what this is all about after all.

I definately will! Very good business indeed. Don't know who they'll sell it to but yea, a good profit. I wish I had a few shares.

I wish you cared a bit more about the club than who makes how much from betraying it. I'm sorry but that is exactly how you portray yourself. I'm not the only one to see it either.

I repeat, I dont want some Yankee or for that matter anyone else to tell me as to how I should support Arsenal Football Club.

BTW does it really matter how I come across on a public forum. I mean, its just a forum in the end

To right Iceman, support the club how you see fit mate that guy is full of it.

[QuartzGooner]

Not bothered by nationality, but this equation sums it all up.
I am relaxed with long term picture.



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USMARTIN

[1989]

[quote="USMartin"]Despite my reticence to do so for obvious reasons, I will answer Olgit's question - they have lied about a number of things, most specifically that there would be no and has been no financial impact on the football team because of the new stadium

David Dein said the following in 2001

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 19886.html

But the Arsenal vice-chairman, David Dein, said: "There is no point in having a great stadium if you haven't got a great team to play in it. All the money Arsène Wenger needs for team-building will still be available.

"We have always had a budget for what happens on the pitch. It is entirely separate to the one for what happens off it and that won't change."

"Arsène signed a new four-year contract last week on the back of our ambitions for the future both on and off the field and those aspirations are still the same[/b]."



Keith Edelman said the following in 2004



http://www.arsenal.com/155/unhoused-imp ... nsfer-fund

"We can invest that money in the purchase of new players then the extra revenue from the new stadium can not only repay the debt but also give increased revenues to the Club.
"
"We do spend a lot of money already on a high wage bill but we've never had the big transfers of some other clubs before. Now we will have both of those together."

And Dan Fiszman said in 2008
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 630035.ece


“If Arsène said he needed £30 million for a striker, he would get it, no problem at all,â€

[Iceman29]

I am pretty good with flags quartz but I have got no clue which country the second flag belongs to. Can you please enlighten me? Cheers mate!

[Henry Norris 1913]

I am pretty good with flags quartz but I have got no clue which country the second flag belongs to. Can you please enlighten me? Cheers mate!

uzbekistan

[QuartzGooner]

You can make anything out of quotes.

Wenger said this:

"When the stadium has been paid for the club will be bigger than before, with greater active capital because of it."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z12BSZL41J


Backs up what the Board said, if you wish to interpret it so. (except Dein, who was known to be not in favour of the stadium).

Judge the overall long term picture by what has happened, not quotes and soundbites.

Gazidis said this recently, it is backed up by what we see on the pitch:


"The money we generate goes back into the Club, so no money goes out in the form of dividends. A certain proportion of that goes into the development of our infrastructure, so the development and progression of the training ground is there, the progression and the investment in the stadium. We are also investing in our commercial capability.

But again, most of that goes back into the playing side, whether into player contracts or transfer fees. Now that doesn’t mean we can compete at the level of the Manchester Citys of this world in the transfer market, because those types of fees and those types of salaries are not sustainable for any football business. But it still means, I believe, that we can compete with them on the pitch. We do have a policy of building and not buying, and that’s a difficult path to tread sometimes."

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... al-results

[USMartin]

I'm not sure what being any nationality has to do with the facts Iceman. We're all supporters and while I actually kind of undertaand your point about being told how to support your club by any other supporter as surprisingly enough I have been told much the same sort of thing, I'm not suggesting you support anyone else or stop supporting Arsenal. I just don't understand why you have no problem with our Board putting persoanl greed ahead of the best interests of the club as appears to be happening. I just don't get that,and you don't have be English to get it because I'd bet my life plenty of your mates born and raised in North London all their lives don't get that either.

[USMartin]

You can make anything out of quotes.

Wenger said this:

"When the stadium has been paid for the club will be bigger than before, with greater active capital because of it."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z12BSZL41J


Backs up what the Board said, if you wish to interpret it so. (except Dein, who was not in favour of the stadium).

Judge the overall long term picture by what has happened, not quotes and soundbites.

Gazidis said this recently, it is backed up by what we see on the pitch:


"The money we generate goes back into the Club, so no money goes out in the form of dividends. A certain proportion of that goes into the development of our infrastructure, so the development and progression of the training ground is there, the progression and the investment in the stadium. We are also investing in our commercial capability.

But again, most of that goes back into the playing side, whether into player contracts or transfer fees. Now that doesn’t mean we can compete at the level of the Manchester Citys of this world in the transfer market, because those types of fees and those types of salaries are not sustainable for any football business. But it still means, I believe, that we can compete with them on the pitch. We do have a policy of building and not buying, and that’s a difficult path to tread sometimes."

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... al-results

No Quartz - you can make anything out of quotes when they don't support your religious zealotry about the Board. I cannot I can only let quotes speak for themselves. And if I could I would not because that is not honest and I prefer to be honest.

You can and have consistently made what you wanted about anything - falesly conflating projects, deliberately omitting facts, believing blogs relying on rumors rather than eyewitness accounts, and defending the Board in every instance and never once actually holding it to blame for anything.

To be able to make what I want out of quotes I would have to be like you and how you present things. I am not like you at all except I love Arsenal. But I also have some regard for the truth. You in your failure to be objective at any point about the Board do not show much if any regard for the truth as I said earlier and that is why I no longer view you as credible on these matters.

All you can do is level deliberately false allegations against me because you cannot be honest yourself in your overly passionate defence of every action our Board takes, and we both know that don't we?

[Iceman29]

I'm not sure what being any nationality has to do with the facts Iceman. We're all supporters and while I actually kind of undertaand your point about being told how to support your club by any other supporter as surprisingly enough I have been told much the same sort of thing, I'm not suggesting you support anyone else or stop supporting Arsenal. I just don't understand why you have no problem with our Board putting persoanl greed ahead of the best interests of the club as appears to be happening. I just don't get that,and you don't have be English to get it because I'd bet my life plenty of your mates born and raised in North London all their lives don't get that either.

That's a very simple answer. I have no problem with the board because in my opinion they are doing a fantastic job, the results of which may or may not be visible now but will definately be visible in the future. I also believe that the board are not greedy but have a right to make money on their investment otherwise why invest. If I were a major investor I would want the best possible returns, whether in the form of dividends or capital gains.

The only way I will have a problem with the board is that if they saddle us with debt and threaten the existence of the club which is not the case for me at the moment. For me that is more important than winning trophies especially if such winning comes at the cost of sacrificing the viability of the club

[AA23Northbank]

I'm not sure what being any nationality has to do with the facts Iceman. We're all supporters and while I actually kind of undertaand your point about being told how to support your club by any other supporter as surprisingly enough I have been told much the same sort of thing, I'm not suggesting you support anyone else or stop supporting Arsenal. I just don't understand why you have no problem with our Board putting persoanl greed ahead of the best interests of the club as appears to be happening. I just don't get that,and you don't have be English to get it because I'd bet my life plenty of your mates born and raised in North London all their lives don't get that either.

That's a very simple answer. I have no problem with the board because in my opinion they are doing a fantastic job, the results of which may or may not be visible now but will definately be visible in the future. I also believe that the board are not greedy but have a right to make money on their investment otherwise why invest. If I were a major investor I would want the best possible returns, whether in the form of dividends or capital gains.

The only way I will have a problem with the board is that if they saddle us with debt and threaten the existence of the club which is not the case for me at the moment. For me that is more important than winning trophies especially if such winning comes at the cost of sacrificing the viability of the club

Oh God here we go.....

[Iceman29]

I'm not sure what being any nationality has to do with the facts Iceman. We're all supporters and while I actually kind of undertaand your point about being told how to support your club by any other supporter as surprisingly enough I have been told much the same sort of thing, I'm not suggesting you support anyone else or stop supporting Arsenal. I just don't understand why you have no problem with our Board putting persoanl greed ahead of the best interests of the club as appears to be happening. I just don't get that,and you don't have be English to get it because I'd bet my life plenty of your mates born and raised in North London all their lives don't get that either.

That's a very simple answer. I have no problem with the board because in my opinion they are doing a fantastic job, the results of which may or may not be visible now but will definately be visible in the future. I also believe that the board are not greedy but have a right to make money on their investment otherwise why invest. If I were a major investor I would want the best possible returns, whether in the form of dividends or capital gains.

The only way I will have a problem with the board is that if they saddle us with debt and threaten the existence of the club which is not the case for me at the moment. For me that is more important than winning trophies especially if such winning comes at the cost of sacrificing the viability of the club

Oh God here we go.....

Sorry! He asked me a question and it would be rude of me not to answer.

I do apologise!

[JMascis666]

You can make anything out of quotes.

Wenger said this:

"When the stadium has been paid for the club will be bigger than before, with greater active capital because of it."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z12BSZL41J


Backs up what the Board said, if you wish to interpret it so. (except Dein, who was not in favour of the stadium).

Judge the overall long term picture by what has happened, not quotes and soundbites.

Gazidis said this recently, it is backed up by what we see on the pitch:


"The money we generate goes back into the Club, so no money goes out in the form of dividends. A certain proportion of that goes into the development of our infrastructure, so the development and progression of the training ground is there, the progression and the investment in the stadium. We are also investing in our commercial capability.

But again, most of that goes back into the playing side, whether into player contracts or transfer fees. Now that doesn’t mean we can compete at the level of the Manchester Citys of this world in the transfer market, because those types of fees and those types of salaries are not sustainable for any football business. But it still means, I believe, that we can compete with them on the pitch. We do have a policy of building and not buying, and that’s a difficult path to tread sometimes."

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... al-results

No Quartz - you can make anything out of quotes when they don't support your religious zealotry about the Board. I cannot I can only let quotes speak for themselves. And if I could I would not because that is not honest and I prefer to be honest.

You can and have consistently made what you wanted about anything - falesly conflating projects, deliberately omitting facts, believing blogs relying on rumors rather than eyewitness accounts, and defending the Board in every instance and never once actually holding it to blame for anything.

To be able to make what I want out of quotes I would have to be like you and how you present things. I am not like you at all except I love Arsenal. But I also have some regard for the truth. You in your failure to be objective at any point about the Board do not show much if any regard for the truth as I said earlier and that is why I no longer view you as credible on these matters.

All you can do is level deliberately false allegations against me because you cannot be honest yourself in your overly passionate defence of every action our Board takes, and we both know that don't we?

Sorry mate but every word you wrote there describing Quartz could easily have been describing you.

You seem incapable of accepting that perhaps the board are not just in this for a quick buck and will not saddle us with debt.

[mcdowell42]

Kinda grows on you after awhile doesnt it

[USMartin]

That's a very simple answer. I have no problem with the board because in my opinion they are doing a fantastic job, the results of which may or may not be visible now but will definately be visible in the future. I also believe that the board are not greedy but have a right to make money on their investment otherwise why invest. If I were a major investor I would want the best possible returns, whether in the form of dividends or capital gains.

I don't disagree at all, except for the belief that that Board have deliberately mis-led supporters about the motives behind their actions and denibeertalely undertaken actions they knew would weaken to football team to enrich themselves even fruther than they could have been had they taken actions that did not weaken the football team.

It is no different than a car maker knowing using defective car parts to save money increase profits and further enrich shareholders. It is cheating the customer lying to the customer, and albeit on a much more serious scale than in Arsena's case haming the customer and hurting them deeply.

This not in fact a case of psend more and Arsenal ends up like Leeds but spend less and the Board gets richer by the looks of it. And the whole idea that the Board even suggest the former scenario shows how far they will go to frighten supporters into not questioning them.

To me this is about the Board's greed rather than Arsenal's long-term survival. The latter is basically assured whether a spend a bit more or not.

The only way I will have a problem with the board is that if they saddle us with debt and threaten the existence of the club which is not the case for me at the moment. For me that is more important than winning trophies especially if such winning comes at the cost of sacrificing the viability of the club

Keep that in mind because it may well happen. The problem is it will be too late to have a problem then, won't it? At the very least no one will care that you care then, will they? And it won't even help you a whole lot then. Read what Brian Moore told the socusers - he's dead right, adn my signature suggests he telll us - and you - the same if we end up facing the same fate. Something to ponder I'd imagine.