Nasri Contract situation

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:47 pm

Not being facetious Martin but your posts would arouse more interest if you occasionally posted a generous helping of tits instead of The Board.

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:29 pm

Tbf something is amiss at the club. Even the wages thing. Surely a club with Arsenal's money can offer someone 20 grand more? I mean whether he's worth it or not, its a bit of a shit message to send to a player who is certainly talented. Is that Wenger? I don't know. But if a Manager is involved in setting wages at club...I dunno, sits odly with me

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:37 pm

Wenger not only sits in on board meetings but DOES have a say in the financial strategy of the club. The AST brought this to light a little while ago. That's a very strange thing to happen because a manager then has a conflict of interests ie: his job is to be successful and to strengthen the team if necessary but if he is overly concerned with finances then it affects his primary job. There you have one of the main issues at Arsenal - Wenger is far too concerned with things that shouldn't concern him. Arsenal pay finance directors etc to look after our finances, Wenger should concentrate on being a manager!!

rigsby · Post by **rigsby** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:39 pm

I understand him being involved somewhat, good that he's abreast of all situations and not spend us up a blind alley, but being involved with setting wages? I mean why would Nasri want to play for a manager who doesn't think he's worth 20 grand more?

Dan_85 · Post by **Dan_85** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:44 pm

If the wage bill was 20% higher & profits were 20% less who would care apart from the board? It's a pretty common factor, greed on the part of AFC.

They'd do well to shave money off the wages of consistent underperformers like Rosicky, Denilson, Eboue, Bendtner to reward those who have proven themselves. Not that I necessarily think a good 6 months constitutes Nasri having proven himself...

Gunnersaurus · Post by **Gunnersaurus** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:49 pm

Nasri is not worth 110k a week, its only annoying as he may end up at United, good player but hasn't shown it enough to be the highest earner, for once the club are right to hold firm.

Post by **flash gunner** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:52 pm

TeeCee wrote:Wenger not only sits in on board meetings but DOES have a say in the financial strategy of the club. The AST brought this to light a little while ago. That's a very strange thing to happen because a manager then has a conflict of interests ie: his job is to be successful and to strengthen the team if necessary but if he is overly concerned with finances then it affects his primary job. There you have one of the main issues at Arsenal - Wenger is far too concerned with things that shouldn't concern him. Arsenal pay finance directors etc to look after our finances, Wenger should concentrate on being a manager!!

Spot on. Wenger has made himself so intrinsic within the running of the club i think he is untouchable now

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:00 pm

Wages are a difficult one. What appears to be an issue over 20k a week could be a lot more. You often get parity agreements at clubs, where player A has it in his contract that he is always equal with the highest paid player in the club. Then player B, who is one of our top players hears that player A has been given an extra 20k and he wants the same. Then we want to sign world class player C and he wants to be on an equal with the highest paid player at the club......All of a sudden, 20k a week becomes 100k a week, which is over 5m a year. It kind of sounds like Arsenal are actually doing something right ie: they consider Nasri to be worth a certain figure and won't go above it, but if you go down that route you have to be prepared to re-invest any money from sales, not bank it like Arsenal do!!

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:10 pm

Gunnersaurus wrote:Nasri is not worth 110k a week, its only annoying as he may end up at United, good player but hasn't shown it enough to be the highest earner, for once the club are right to hold firm.

Quite frankly he is worth whatever someone is prepared to pay. I'm afraid the moral high ground will be a cold and lonely place, when we start saying that our very best players are not worth the wages that certain others are prepared to pay. This isn't Man City doing a 200k per week with Yaya Toure; this is a club prepared to offer wages lower than star names already at their club (Rooney & Vidic allegedly coin in more than Nasri would)

And before anyone question's United's policy, did you read the Deloitte's report today. Their wages, at 47% of revenue, is amongst the lowest percentage in the land - so they live within their means. If they can afford 110k per week, why can't we. Answer - too many highly paid younger players and a commercial team making a total fucking pigs ear of sponsorships and third party revenues. Ivan Gazidis and his cronies have done nothing but add cost and reward underachievement since they have been here.

Gunnersaurus · Post by **Gunnersaurus** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:25 pm

SteveO 35 wrote:
Gunnersaurus wrote:Nasri is not worth 110k a week, its only annoying as he may end up at United, good player but hasn't shown it enough to be the highest earner, for once the club are right to hold firm.
Quite frankly he is worth whatever someone is prepared to pay. I'm afraid the moral high ground will be a cold and lonely place, when we start saying that our very best players are not worth the wages that certain others are prepared to pay. This isn't Man City doing a 200k per week with Yaya Toure; this is a club prepared to offer wages lower than star names already at their club (Rooney & Vidic allegedly coin in more than Nasri would)

And before anyone question's United's policy, did you read the Deloitte's report today. Their wages, at 47% of revenue, is amongst the lowest percentage in the land - so they live within their means. If they can afford 110k per week, why can't we. Answer - too many highly paid younger players and a commercial team making a total fucking pigs ear of sponsorships and third party revenues. Ivan Gazidis and his cronies have done nothing but add cost and reward underachievement since they have been here.

While I agree with you on the wage structure you got to look at each case separately, Nasri has been here for 3 years, in that time he has looked quality and imposed himself in games for half a season, its not taking the moral highground its bucking the trend of rewarding failure.

He is not after just a pay rise, he is looking to be the top earner at the club, Lampard, Tevez or Terry can get away with it, at our club only Fabregas can, Nasri for all his potential hasn't proved he is worth that, had he won the footballer of the year then the club may have buckled, now I think they are right to stand firm.

20k a week extra don't sound a lot when someone is on 40k a week, it does when 90k is on the table.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:47 pm

flash gunner wrote:
TeeCee wrote:Wenger not only sits in on board meetings but DOES have a say in the financial strategy of the club. The AST brought this to light a little while ago. That's a very strange thing to happen because a manager then has a conflict of interests ie: his job is to be successful and to strengthen the team if necessary but if he is overly concerned with finances then it affects his primary job. There you have one of the main issues at Arsenal - Wenger is far too concerned with things that shouldn't concern him. Arsenal pay finance directors etc to look after our finances, Wenger should concentrate on being a manager!!
Spot on. Wenger has made himself so intrinsic within the running of the club i think he is untouchable now

Thuis is irrastional. frankly and delusional. If this is true Arsenal Football Club will cease to exist of function at all the day Arsene Wenger leaves or dies.

It's pure bullshit.

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:52 pm

Martin if theres one person here who is delusional its you. Honest to god I think you need help. All these board conspiricies are entertaining to read but your grasping at straws.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:55 pm

Gunnersaurus wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:
Gunnersaurus wrote:Nasri is not worth 110k a week, its only annoying as he may end up at United, good player but hasn't shown it enough to be the highest earner, for once the club are right to hold firm.
Quite frankly he is worth whatever someone is prepared to pay. I'm afraid the moral high ground will be a cold and lonely place, when we start saying that our very best players are not worth the wages that certain others are prepared to pay. This isn't Man City doing a 200k per week with Yaya Toure; this is a club prepared to offer wages lower than star names already at their club (Rooney & Vidic allegedly coin in more than Nasri would)

And before anyone question's United's policy, did you read the Deloitte's report today. Their wages, at 47% of revenue, is amongst the lowest percentage in the land - so they live within their means. If they can afford 110k per week, why can't we. Answer - too many highly paid younger players and a commercial team making a total fucking pigs ear of sponsorships and third party revenues. Ivan Gazidis and his cronies have done nothing but add cost and reward underachievement since they have been here.
While I agree with you on the wage structure you got to look at each case separately, Nasri has been here for 3 years, in that time he has looked quality and imposed himself in games for half a season, its not taking the moral highground its bucking the trend of rewarding failure.

He is not after just a pay rise, he is looking to be the top earner at the club, Lampard, Tevez or Terry can get away with it, at our club only Fabregas can, Nasri for all his potential hasn't proved he is worth that, had he won the footballer of the year then the club may have buckled, now I think they are right to stand firm.

20k a week extra don't sound a lot when someone is on 40k a week, it does when 90k is on the table.

The problem is this - no one club sets the market for players' wages unless they are willing to pay every single player on their team more than any other club will, and there is no club no matter how much they spend or have to spend that does that.

The result being that there are clubs willing to pay players like Nasri far more than they are getting at Arsenal who would rather drink their own piss than pay the wages we give (literally for me) the likes of Denilson, Bendtner, Almunia , Squillaci, and Eboue - among others.

The wage structure is designed to minimize the amount we invest in transfer fees as most players who would earn 100k a week command transfer fees of 20-25 million and up which this club is completely unwilling to spend. But so long as they make it seem like there simply unwilling to overpay players they can get away with this lack of ambition and the quite apparently deliberate deceptions about it.

USMartin · Post by **USMartin** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:06 pm

Henry Norris 1913 wrote:Martin if theres one person here who is delusional its you. Honest to god I think you need help. All these board conspiricies are entertaining to read but your grasping at straws.

Am I - I was warning that much of what has happened would happen and no one believed it than but there's no denying it has happened now is there.

Like the saying goes "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you." Even a crazy man(your opinion, not mine but I'm biased to be fair

) can be dead right. In fact I can say with a clean conscience there is far more actual varifiable objective evidence supporting my contnetions than any evidence supporting anyone else's and that was true in 2005 and 2006 and 2007 and 2008 and 2009 and 2010 too.

Go ahead show me all the real objective evidence there is to disprove my allegations there should be six years worth of it so it should easy to find and post. Funny thing is no one seems willing to try and accept that -well since there is so much proof I am wrong - it's not even a challange for you guys really...yet not one person has done so successfully really. Some have offered some sincere by highly dubious and flawed arguments or tried simply to re-frame the deabte to suit their views.

But no one has accepted the opportunity to present their six years worth of proof that my views are pure conspiracy theory and nothing else that you simply must have since it must be there.

mcdowell42 · Post by **mcdowell42** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:12 pm