Chill out - we can't change things. What will be, will be.

[USMartin]

oh my god

martin, buy a share and then you can have a say

we no longer have any interest in your incessant rants about a group of people who are not answerable to you, or me, or any non-shareholder.

YOU HAVE NO VOICE IN THESE MATTERS SO BUY SOME AND LEAVE US ALONE

Davey you then simply want to blame the manager to simply blame someone, no? Because you are suggesting that if the manager is sacked things will change most of the time - so now you are saying they won't?

Why would you choose to blame someone you know may not be or know is not at fault. Just so you can? Becausse that person might care more? Do you enjot taking the blame for things that aren't your afult? If not why do have no problem doing that to someone else? And what purpose would it serve?

I'd only add we have no voice in antything if we are too lazy or unwilling to use it, Davey. We may not have a voice if we use it either but we can rest easy in the knowledge we tried. That may matter that much more five and ten years on than it does now even. If things go wronng we all will have to look ourselves and each other in the eye. It might be easier for some of us than others. I hope we never have to reach that point.

[olgitgooner]

Martin, you need to accept the fact that you will never have any effect on what happens a board room level.

It will never happen. Ever.

Just enjoy the football as much as you can.

[xDAVEYx]

Martin, you need to accept the fact that you will never have any effect on what happens a board room level.

It will never happen. Ever.

Just enjoy the football as much as you can.

[USMartin]

Martin, you need to accept the fact that you will never have any effect on what happens a board room level.

It will never happen. Ever.

Just enjoy the football as much as you can.

You have accepted that apparently, although I don't think you'd act in any event because I think your belief system prevents you doing so in any event.

As for me alone influencing the events - - of course not. But people can make a difference but that means we as individuals have to be willing to try. Enough of us willing to try might prove you wrong.

I am curious why does some of us trying bother you so profoundly? I mean if we're wrong haven't we simply made fools of ourselves while you have been prove to be right and smarter? Surely it can be some desire to see that not happen can it?

BTW you still haven't picked tohose points apart. Funny that....

[olgitgooner]

"some of you trying to to bother" does NOT affect me profoundly.

Or even UNprofoundly.

Why do you persist in perverting other people's comments to suit your own purposes?

Trolling. Surely?

[USMartin]

"some of you trying to to bother" does NOT affect me profoundly.

Or even UNprofoundly.

Why do you persist in perverting other people's comments to suit your own purposes?

Trolling. Surely?

No - not at all.

But how would you define someone whio lacks the energy to pick apart your views but doesn't have the energy to do so is stilll posting in multiple thread almost four hours later? Bullshitter?

BTW the consequneces of no one trying to bother might just bother you - and the rest of us quite profoundly.

[USMartin]

BTW Quartz you noted some quotes from Mr. Wenger that back the Board's claims except for David Dein which curiously enough(actaully it's hardly curious at all at this point) ignores the fact that while David Dein may or may not have been in favor of the stadium(I suspect he was in favor of it until the decision to re-develop Highbury instead of selling it was taken)he was the first Board member to suggest the New tsadium would have no imapct on investment in the football team.

Isn't that a tiny bit odd then?

[LDB]

You can make anything out of quotes.

Wenger said this:

"When the stadium has been paid for the club will be bigger than before, with greater active capital because of it."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z12BSZL41J


Backs up what the Board said, if you wish to interpret it so. (except Dein, who was not in favour of the stadium).

Judge the overall long term picture by what has happened, not quotes and soundbites.

Gazidis said this recently, it is backed up by what we see on the pitch:


"The money we generate goes back into the Club, so no money goes out in the form of dividends. A certain proportion of that goes into the development of our infrastructure, so the development and progression of the training ground is there, the progression and the investment in the stadium. We are also investing in our commercial capability.

But again, most of that goes back into the playing side, whether into player contracts or transfer fees. Now that doesn’t mean we can compete at the level of the Manchester Citys of this world in the transfer market, because those types of fees and those types of salaries are not sustainable for any football business. But it still means, I believe, that we can compete with them on the pitch. We do have a policy of building and not buying, and that’s a difficult path to tread sometimes."

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... al-results

No Quartz - you can make anything out of quotes when they don't support your religious zealotry about the Board. I cannot I can only let quotes speak for themselves. And if I could I would not because that is not honest and I prefer to be honest.

You can and have consistently made what you wanted about anything - falesly conflating projects, deliberately omitting facts, believing blogs relying on rumors rather than eyewitness accounts, and defending the Board in every instance and never once actually holding it to blame for anything.

To be able to make what I want out of quotes I would have to be like you and how you present things. I am not like you at all except I love Arsenal. But I also have some regard for the truth. You in your failure to be objective at any point about the Board do not show much if any regard for the truth as I said earlier and that is why I no longer view you as credible on these matters.

All you can do is level deliberately false allegations against me because you cannot be honest yourself in your overly passionate defence of every action our Board takes, and we both know that don't we?

Sorry mate but every word you wrote there describing Quartz could easily have been describing you.

You seem incapable of accepting that perhaps the board are not just in this for a quick buck and will not saddle us with debt.

the Board making millions selling shares since 2007 was purely coincidental and that all this money supposedly available to the manager going uspent during the same period was purely coincidental,

YES

In what lunatic world are you living in whereby selling shares amounts to taking money out of the club?!

shit, just broke my USM embargo

[DB10GOONER]

You can make anything out of quotes.

Wenger said this:

"When the stadium has been paid for the club will be bigger than before, with greater active capital because of it."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z12BSZL41J


Backs up what the Board said, if you wish to interpret it so. (except Dein, who was not in favour of the stadium).

Judge the overall long term picture by what has happened, not quotes and soundbites.

Gazidis said this recently, it is backed up by what we see on the pitch:


"The money we generate goes back into the Club, so no money goes out in the form of dividends. A certain proportion of that goes into the development of our infrastructure, so the development and progression of the training ground is there, the progression and the investment in the stadium. We are also investing in our commercial capability.

But again, most of that goes back into the playing side, whether into player contracts or transfer fees. Now that doesn’t mean we can compete at the level of the Manchester Citys of this world in the transfer market, because those types of fees and those types of salaries are not sustainable for any football business. But it still means, I believe, that we can compete with them on the pitch. We do have a policy of building and not buying, and that’s a difficult path to tread sometimes."

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... al-results

No Quartz - you can make anything out of quotes when they don't support your religious zealotry about the Board. I cannot I can only let quotes speak for themselves. And if I could I would not because that is not honest and I prefer to be honest.

You can and have consistently made what you wanted about anything - falesly conflating projects, deliberately omitting facts, believing blogs relying on rumors rather than eyewitness accounts, and defending the Board in every instance and never once actually holding it to blame for anything.

To be able to make what I want out of quotes I would have to be like you and how you present things. I am not like you at all except I love Arsenal. But I also have some regard for the truth. You in your failure to be objective at any point about the Board do not show much if any regard for the truth as I said earlier and that is why I no longer view you as credible on these matters.

All you can do is level deliberately false allegations against me because you cannot be honest yourself in your overly passionate defence of every action our Board takes, and we both know that don't we?

Sorry mate but every word you wrote there describing Quartz could easily have been describing you.

You seem incapable of accepting that perhaps the board are not just in this for a quick buck and will not saddle us with debt.

the Board making millions selling shares since 2007 was purely coincidental and that all this money supposedly available to the manager going uspent during the same period was purely coincidental,

YES

In what lunatic world are you living in whereby selling shares amounts to taking money out of the club?!

shit, just broke my USM embargo

[QuartzGooner]

USM is a troll.
He insults, lies, repeats arguments, repeats threads, twists words and misquotes to "force" others to respond so that their views are not misrepresented.

Force you to respond? You little wuus. Nobody forces you to do anything unless as I said earlier you are mentally and psychologically incapable of controlling your own actions and choices. Stop blaming anyone else for your choices you twit. Yopu are resposible for your own behavior and no one else the same as me. When one of you calls me out pr posts something out order aboout me - its my choice and my alone to address. I'm adulty enough not to blame other people for my actions and choices. Perhpas it should be little surprise you aren't.

You sound someone who blames everyone else for your bad choices really and that's distastteful to say the least.

Haha.

If you actually read what you just posted it would confirm your troll behaviour.

You insult in order to provoke a response, then absolve yourself of responsibility!

I do not know who you support, but I no longer believe you to even be an Arsenal fan.
No way you come on here to just insult others and rant and then claim you are a fan.
You have flooded Arsenal message boards for up to seven years with insults, no wonder they kicked you off other Forums, you are just online to insult. Probably a Spurs/Man Utd fan with a weird sense of humour.

Sooner you get kicked off this one the better.

[USMartin]

And I don't really care because you incapable of any sort of objective discussion of anything that requires criticizing the Board. It is simply too much for you. And that is the bottom line.

I could challange to produce one tangiable example and will butm you will hide behind your belief I am a troll luring you inot this because that would be easier than doing the adult thing and admitiing their is none and maybe I am right about you.

You remind me more and more of a religious fanatic who would turn on his best friends and family if they caused him to doubt his faith for any reason. In your case the religion being the Arsenal Way and its gods our Board.

I don't care if you ever respond to me again frankly but its a shame as a voice for the club and Board is basically eliminated because of its sherer lack of objectivity. Your presentation of facts - full of deliberately ommitted details, deliberate efforts to confuse projects, and deliberate trusting more dubious sources that back your own views has nothing on Fox News overhiere including your shameless conclusion that you somehow are nothing less than completely objective. I can't and wouldn't say I am even though I try to be. You don't even do that little. And just as its your choice to confront me at every opportunity (and sometimes mine to confront you) its your choice to abandon all objectivity and sometimes hionesty where our Board are concerned.

[QuartzGooner]

Blaming me for a "Lack of objectivity???"

HaHaHa.

I am actually laughing.

Just hold a mirror up to yourself.

[olgitgooner]

You can make anything out of quotes.

Wenger said this:

"When the stadium has been paid for the club will be bigger than before, with greater active capital because of it."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z12BSZL41J


Backs up what the Board said, if you wish to interpret it so. (except Dein, who was not in favour of the stadium).

Judge the overall long term picture by what has happened, not quotes and soundbites.

Gazidis said this recently, it is backed up by what we see on the pitch:


"The money we generate goes back into the Club, so no money goes out in the form of dividends. A certain proportion of that goes into the development of our infrastructure, so the development and progression of the training ground is there, the progression and the investment in the stadium. We are also investing in our commercial capability.

But again, most of that goes back into the playing side, whether into player contracts or transfer fees. Now that doesn’t mean we can compete at the level of the Manchester Citys of this world in the transfer market, because those types of fees and those types of salaries are not sustainable for any football business. But it still means, I believe, that we can compete with them on the pitch. We do have a policy of building and not buying, and that’s a difficult path to tread sometimes."

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... al-results

No Quartz - you can make anything out of quotes when they don't support your religious zealotry about the Board. I cannot I can only let quotes speak for themselves. And if I could I would not because that is not honest and I prefer to be honest.

You can and have consistently made what you wanted about anything - falesly conflating projects, deliberately omitting facts, believing blogs relying on rumors rather than eyewitness accounts, and defending the Board in every instance and never once actually holding it to blame for anything.

To be able to make what I want out of quotes I would have to be like you and how you present things. I am not like you at all except I love Arsenal. But I also have some regard for the truth. You in your failure to be objective at any point about the Board do not show much if any regard for the truth as I said earlier and that is why I no longer view you as credible on these matters.

All you can do is level deliberately false allegations against me because you cannot be honest yourself in your overly passionate defence of every action our Board takes, and we both know that don't we?

Sorry mate but every word you wrote there describing Quartz could easily have been describing you.

You seem incapable of accepting that perhaps the board are not just in this for a quick buck and will not saddle us with debt.

the Board making millions selling shares since 2007 was purely coincidental and that all this money supposedly available to the manager going uspent during the same period was purely coincidental,

YES

In what lunatic world are you living in whereby selling shares amounts to taking money out of the club?!

shit, just broke my USM embargo

Same here!

I've been trying really hard to ignore USM.

It's a bit like having a pesky mosquito buzzing around the room. Try to ignore it, but it drones on and on and on.

[flash gunner]

And I don't really care because you incapable of any sort of objective discussion of anything that requires criticizing the Board. It is simply too much for you. And that is the bottom line.

I could challange to produce one tangiable example and will butm you will hide behind your belief I am a troll luring you inot this because that would be easier than doing the adult thing and admitiing their is none and maybe I am right about you.

You remind me more and more of a religious fanatic who would turn on his best friends and family if they caused him to doubt his faith for any reason. In your case the religion being the Arsenal Way and its gods our Board.

I don't care if you ever respond to me again frankly but its a shame as a voice for the club and Board is basically eliminated because of its sherer lack of objectivity. Your presentation of facts - full of deliberately ommitted details, deliberate efforts to confuse projects, and deliberate trusting more dubious sources that back your own views has nothing on Fox News overhiere including your shameless conclusion that you somehow are nothing less than completely objective. I can't and wouldn't say I am even though I try to be. You don't even do that little. And just as its your choice to confront me at every opportunity (and sometimes mine to confront you) its your choice to abandon all objectivity and sometimes hionesty where our Board are concerned.

Dont you get bored writing the same stuff over and over Martin?

[g88ner]

And I don't really care because you incapable of any sort of objective discussion of anything that requires criticizing the Board. It is simply too much for you. And that is the bottom line.

I could challange to produce one tangiable example and will butm you will hide behind your belief I am a troll luring you inot this because that would be easier than doing the adult thing and admitiing their is none and maybe I am right about you.

You remind me more and more of a religious fanatic who would turn on his best friends and family if they caused him to doubt his faith for any reason. In your case the religion being the Arsenal Way and its gods our Board.

I don't care if you ever respond to me again frankly but its a shame as a

OIvoice for the club and Board is basically eliminated because of its sherer lack of objectivity. Your presentation of facts - full of deliberately ommitted details, deliberate efforts to confuse projects, and deliberate trusting more dubious sources that back your own views has nothing on Fox News overhiere including your shameless conclusion that you somehow are nothing less than completely objective. I can't and wouldn't say I am even though I try to be. You don't even do that little. And just as its your choice to confront me at every opportunity (and sometimes mine to confront you) its your choice to abandon all objectivity and sometimes hionesty where our Board are concerned.

Dont you get bored writing the same stuff over and over Martin?

I'm guessing not, Flash! - in fact, I reckon he finds it a turn on, and gets him as a stiff as a board!

I mean, if you think of his board 'fetish' as just that... a sexual perversion or a turn on, in the same way that I think of girls and you think of tennis , then it all starts making sense... and despite our objections, Martin's board fetish is nothing more peverse than sucking off a donkey, or even being fisted by a dwarf, and there's nothing wrong with that!

So go easy on the lad - because if he didn't have Fiszman and Hill-Wood to jack off to, he'd have balls the size of melons, and would probably be running around New York state abusing puppies and sniffing old ladies underwear! - actually, he'd be a little like Wayno, I'd imagine?!