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g88ner wrote:
flash gunner wrote:
USMartin wrote:And I don't really care because you incapable of any sort of objective discussion of anything that requires criticizing the Board. It is simply too much for you. And that is the bottom line.

I could challange to produce one tangiable example and will butm you will hide behind your belief I am a troll luring you inot this because that would be easier than doing the adult thing and admitiing their is none and maybe I am right about you.

You remind me more and more of a religious fanatic who would turn on his best friends and family if they caused him to doubt his faith for any reason. In your case the religion being the Arsenal Way and its gods our Board.

I don't care if you ever respond to me again frankly but its a shame as a

OIvoice for the club and Board is basically eliminated because of its sherer lack of objectivity. Your presentation of facts - full of deliberately ommitted details, deliberate efforts to confuse projects, and deliberate trusting more dubious sources that back your own views has nothing on Fox News overhiere including your shameless conclusion that you somehow are nothing less than completely objective. I can't and wouldn't say I am even though I try to be. You don't even do that little. And just as its your choice to confront me at every opportunity (and sometimes mine to confront you) its your choice to abandon all objectivity and sometimes hionesty where our Board are concerned.
Dont you get bored writing the same stuff over and over Martin?
I'm guessing not, Flash! - in fact, I reckon he finds it a turn on, and gets him as a stiff as a board! :oops:

I mean, if you think of his board 'fetish' as just that... a sexual perversion or a turn on, in the same way that I think of girls and you think of tennis :wink: , then it all starts making sense... and despite our objections, Martin's board fetish is nothing more peverse than sucking off a donkey, or even being fisted by a dwarf, and there's nothing wrong with that!

So go easy on the lad - because if he didn't have Fiszman and Hill-Wood to jack off to, he'd have balls the size of melons, and would probably be running around New York state abusing puppies and sniffing old ladies underwear! - actually, he'd be a little like Wayno, I'd imagine?! :shock: :?
:lol:

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:lol:

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LDB wrote:
USMartin wrote:
JMascis666 wrote:
USMartin wrote:
QuartzGooner wrote:You can make anything out of quotes.

Wenger said this:

"When the stadium has been paid for the club will be bigger than before, with greater active capital because of it."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z12BSZL41J


Backs up what the Board said, if you wish to interpret it so. (except Dein, who was not in favour of the stadium).

Judge the overall long term picture by what has happened, not quotes and soundbites.

Gazidis said this recently, it is backed up by what we see on the pitch:


"The money we generate goes back into the Club, so no money goes out in the form of dividends. A certain proportion of that goes into the development of our infrastructure, so the development and progression of the training ground is there, the progression and the investment in the stadium. We are also investing in our commercial capability.

But again, most of that goes back into the playing side, whether into player contracts or transfer fees. Now that doesn’t mean we can compete at the level of the Manchester Citys of this world in the transfer market, because those types of fees and those types of salaries are not sustainable for any football business. But it still means, I believe, that we can compete with them on the pitch. We do have a policy of building and not buying, and that’s a difficult path to tread sometimes."

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... al-results
No Quartz - you can make anything out of quotes when they don't support your religious zealotry about the Board. I cannot I can only let quotes speak for themselves. And if I could I would not because that is not honest and I prefer to be honest.

You can and have consistently made what you wanted about anything - falesly conflating projects, deliberately omitting facts, believing blogs relying on rumors rather than eyewitness accounts, and defending the Board in every instance and never once actually holding it to blame for anything.

To be able to make what I want out of quotes I would have to be like you and how you present things. I am not like you at all except I love Arsenal. But I also have some regard for the truth. You in your failure to be objective at any point about the Board do not show much if any regard for the truth as I said earlier and that is why I no longer view you as credible on these matters.

All you can do is level deliberately false allegations against me because you cannot be honest yourself in your overly passionate defence of every action our Board takes, and we both know that don't we?
Sorry mate but every word you wrote there describing Quartz could easily have been describing you.

You seem incapable of accepting that perhaps the board are not just in this for a quick buck and will not saddle us with debt.
the Board making millions selling shares since 2007 was purely coincidental and that all this money supposedly available to the manager going uspent during the same period was purely coincidental,
YES

In what lunatic world are you living in whereby selling shares amounts to taking money out of the club?!

shit, just broke my USM embargo :oops:
In what will fully naive world are you living in where there is no connection between cutting investment in the football club which helps increase profitability which then in turn increses the value of their shares and them making money selling them?

I love how in the end it's all pure coincidence and dumb luck seemingly.

I mean really why wasn't there an orgy of selling shares back in 2003 or 2004 ?

It actually could be a coincidence but the odds are that in fact it simply isn't. I simply believe we ought to want to know whehther it actually is or not. I'm willing to be proven wrong. You seem afraid to be proven right - oh wait - you're really afriad to be proven wrong - EURE - fucking - KA...

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Again g88ner save the amatuer psycho-analysis for someone who needs that.

To answer the question you were replying to - I ABSOLUTELY DO get tired of it and all the crap that goes with it.

But unlike some of you who would never own up if you were wrong or if damaged the club in any way ever acknolwedge you didn't do enough because you didn't care enough I'm not going to stop. until I have genuine reason to, which is this chapeter at Arsenal is over. Guess that's really bad news for ol' Quartz since he insists we can't decide that for fifty years so you know who to blame then :lol:

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USMartin wrote:Again g88ner save the amatuer psycho-analysis for someone who needs that.
It was a joke and 100% tongue in cheek! :wink:

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g88ner wrote:
It was 100% tongue in cheek!
I'd rather not know what you and SAFCFTM get up to!

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g88ner wrote:
USMartin wrote:Again g88ner save the amatuer psycho-analysis for someone who needs that.
It was a joke and 100% tongue in cheek! :wink:

Maybe I just take all those accusations of supporting other clubs and being a troll and calls for my banning from some on here too seriously and can't see good sarcasm from you for what it is by that time?

Not having a go g88ner being serious. Maybe sarcasm gets missed when there's so much genuine animosity surrounding it. Not your fault that's the case but the usual suspects

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USMartin wrote:In what will fully naive world are you living in where there is no connection between cutting investment in the football club which helps increase profitability which then in turn increses the value of their shares and them making money selling them?
This really is a dubious link to make and requires a pretty big leap of faith.

1) Obviously, selling or buying shares does not remove a single penny from the clubs coffers
2) If you're moaning about a lack of direct investment from board members, never going to happen with a plurality of ownership anywhere, anyhow, anytime.
3) The board cutting funds to the playing side of the club purely to increase their share price is just insane on their part. Im dubious that intentionally weakening the playing side of a football club does much for their investment anyway.

Oh wait lets look at another possible factor. Its crazy i know but bear with me.

I seem to remember a few years ago we committed 300 MILLION POUNDS TO BUILDING A NEW STADIUM

Maybe that had something to do with it? Its a bit coincidental i know but there you have it.[/b]

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LDB wrote:
USMartin wrote:In what will fully naive world are you living in where there is no connection between cutting investment in the football club which helps increase profitability which then in turn increses the value of their shares and them making money selling them?
This really is a dubious link to make and requires a pretty big leap of faith.

1) Obviously, selling or buying shares does not remove a single penny from the clubs coffers
2) If you're moaning about a lack of direct investment from board members, never going to happen with a plurality of ownership anywhere, anyhow, anytime.
3) The board cutting funds to the playing side of the club purely to increase their share price is just insane on their part. Im dubious that intentionally weakening the playing side of a football club does much for their investment anyway.

Oh wait lets look at another possible factor. Its crazy i know but bear with me.

I seem to remember a few years ago we committed 300 MILLION POUNDS TO BUILDING A NEW STADIUM

Maybe that had something to do with it? Its a bit coincidental i know but there you have it.[/b]
The problem isn't the money committed to the new stadium though. It's the cash flow problems that were created by not selling hIghbury. The fact is had we sold Highbury as was origianlly planned much of the early repayment of debt would have been taken care of with the proceeds from that sale, and that would have allowed the footballing side(the supposedly ring-fenced footballing side) to continue to operate without financial disruption throughout the next several years..

The re-development of Highbury alone created the financial problems that led to the coincidentally-at-best-timed break-up of the Invincibles and introduction of the our gorundbreaking new "youth system", and the apparently coincidental decline which resulted. as yo your specific points

on 1) Agreed and no one has suggested that id the case. By the same token it proves little or nothing in the way of what I am comncerned has been and is happening

on 2) No one has said that either. The problem with what they have done is they have done that while cliaming that their sole concern is the club's long-term financial viability. Which given the again coincidental spike upward in share values and their cashing in on this spiket and not re-investing some of that because of that very concern they continue to refer to, it now looks like increasingly questionable if not out right dubious reasoning.

They sound like the right-wingers who wrry intensely about national debts and buudget deficits and want to eliminate all sorts wasteful programms(programs not for wealthy people) and their concern sounds rather genuine until it's suggested that increasing taxes to the weathiest citizens could help cut the debt, at which point they look at you like someone has stuck a thumb up their arse without warning them first..

I find it odd how they have managed to profit siginificantly the past few years while maintaining we are in too precarious a financial position to risk investing more in the football team now. Surely unless you believe its purely coinciodental or dumb luck the projects have worked out so well you must find this a bit odd too at the very least, no?

On 3) so long as the team's finish doesn't undermine ticket sales or the club's profits form the footballing portion of the company why would that be? If a company chooses to sell a defective product and people buy it and no one returns it or reports it will that company's share price be hurt? Why wouldn't they risk further decline so long as they thought they could get away with it without losing matchday and season tacket revenues? That will drive the sahre price more than mere positions in the Premiership table on their own.

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Debt leveraged buy outs are really bad....check

Under investment in playing staff....check

Selling Highbury straight to a property developer might have been a good idea....check

Board members have seen a massive increase in the value of their shares...check.

These points have been done to death.

How many different ways are there to make the same statements?

Why is at all necessary to do so?

How many people have been drawn into prolonged and pointless arguments which they would rather not have?

How many people have suffered from unnecessary and extreme rudeness and abuse?

Who thinks it is in any way possible to exert influence on the board by writing on these pages?

Who needs to get a life?

:roll:

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olgitgooner wrote:Debt leveraged buy outs are really bad....check

Under investment in playing staff....check

Selling Highbury straight to a property developer might have been a good idea....check

Board members have seen a massive increase in the value of their shares...check.

These points have been done to death.

How many different ways are there to make the same statements?

Why is at all necessary to do so?

How many people have been drawn into prolonged and pointless arguments which they would rather not have?

How many people have suffered from unnecessary and extreme rudeness and abuse?

Who thinks it is in any way possible to exert influence on the board by writing on these pages?

Who needs to get a life?

:roll:
Apparently you do since you seem incapable of ignoring something you obviously want to ignore.

Unless of course what you want is for everyone else to ignore it which is easier to achieve when no one else is talking about it.

Your just out to censor this discussioin and because you can't be man enough to just say that you have to be the victim - hence all this drawn into crap as though someone is forcing you to do any of this, which is childish bullshit. You're an adult and you and you alone control your behavior and the choices you exercise, unless of course you are in fact someone with some mental illness or psychological issue and are not competent to control your own choices or actions.

If that is not the case then stop whining you're the victim here because you aren't. You're the idiot that chooses to waste your time playing at being the Inspecttor Javert to my Valjean. You are solely responsible for all the time you waste. Be a grown up and accept that responsibility or just shut up and stop your whining.

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USMartin wrote:...you seem incapable of ignoring something you obviously want to ignore.

Unless of course what you want is for everyone else to ignore it which is easier to achieve when no one else is talking about it.
:lol: :lol:

Your sentences make my head hurt sometimes, Martin! :-P :lol: :wink:

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g88ner wrote:
USMartin wrote:...you seem incapable of ignoring something you obviously want to ignore.

Unless of course what you want is for everyone else to ignore it which is easier to achieve when no one else is talking about it.
:lol: :lol:

Your sentences make my head hurt sometimes, Martin! :-P :lol: :wink:

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Get a Frank Gorshin as the Riddler Pic to post or I will be deeply offended

Of course to answer your point - the reason Olgit continues to battle on instead of ignoring as LDB to his credit has largely done is either that he can't help himself, or that he can't ignore the fact that anyone is discussing this. I don't see wht's so hard to understand there.

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USMartin wrote:I don't see wht's so hard to understand there.
Well, to be fair, it was a interesting way of writing it. I think I did understand your point really... I just couldn't stop laughing as I read it though, that's all. 8) :lol: and, in a rather serious thread, it was just what I needed! :barscarf:

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g88ner wrote:
USMartin wrote:I don't see wht's so hard to understand there.
Well, to be fair, it was a interesting way of writing it. I think I did understand your point really... I just couldn't stop laughing as I read it though, that's all. 8) :lol: and, in a rather serious thread, it was just what I needed! :barscarf:
Then I have done my job and deserve my Frank Gorshin as Riddler pic, no?

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