Dortmund Home Game

[piresistible]

Same old Arsenal would be self destructing and giving 2-3 goals away.. We gave one stupid goal away yes, but the response was way better than last few seasons. Controlled the play for most of the game and with a bit more luck we would have scored a few goals. Think that Lewandowski goal came from their only other chance?.. Sucks to lose the game, but have high hopes for the next games

[augie]

See the same old people popped out of the woodwork tonight waiting for this result to crop up so they could spout their usual tripe.
Marginally losing a game against a top class side after being caught chasing the game; no shame in that. Albeit neither team were great tonight and both created very little. Now asking a lot to see us qualify from the group but it should show whether we are up to the challenge and warrant being labelled a top class side. Only time will tell...

If I was one of the Gooners in a constant orgasmic state over our recent winning run (which clearly I am not ) then the thing that would worry me most is that dortmund beat us last night without playing well themselves Even though I had a feeling we would win last night, it still didnt shock me that we lost - dortmund are a good team and losing to them is no disgrace plus I dont go along with the theory that they are not as good as last year as they only lost gotze and signed sahin and agueymang (sp ? ). The fact is though, that they didnt play well last night and still rarely looked in trouble - yes they didnt threaten our goal much either but, as most of us have already acknowledged, they controlled the game and looked far superior than us for most of the game. Some will point to the amount of players we had missing last night but realistically how many of them would have started last nights game if fit ? They were without 2 of their first choice team and still looked comfortable for most of the game I get that some feel that wally's pace would have been a help last night but history has shown us that he always struggles against a tactically well drilled defence so I would be hesitant about over hyping his absence.

[Theoperator]

I cant help feeling that a manager (not just wenker) who refuses to take off a guy who is playing shit because he is one of the teams best players, is basically a cowardly fcuker and for me ozil should have been subbed first

Spot on comment- they knew just how to play him- thats rather a worry over the next months big games. He may have been tired, cant really see that though, think they just squeezed him out of the game. No doubt opponents will be salivating over the videos. Hope it can be solved- hopefully just a bad day for him.

Looking at the way JWs ankle went over just before he jumped over the keeper makes me think he maybe out for a while.

Hope we get through at least to the last 16 I cant bear the thought of slogging away on Thursdays

[Dan_85]

agueymang

Good try mate.

[DB10GOONER]

agueymang

Good try mate.

He got confused with what his wife calls him; augie-mong.

[piresistible]

agueymang

Good try mate.

Disagree. Ozi is a player that can turn a game with one killer pass, how can he be taken off?

[Bradywasking]

Disappointing result, which came as a result of pouring men forward searching for a win that in reality wasn't necessary. Maybe we showed too much respect in the first half but not enough in the second. Yes the game was there to be won, but it wasn't Norwich it was Dortmund. second best team in Germany (and Europe in theory). The danger of the break was always there but our players got excited in a naive way and chased the win.
Agree that there was a lack of pace especially in the first half. Ozil was dealt with effectively, I thought he may have come infield looking for the ball more often. There was an improvement when Cazorla came on (rather than when Jack went off)..Ramsey wasn't as effective as of late but to a degree credit Dortmund with that, the rest of that equation was he was careless at times. Rosicky was our most energetic player going forward but was guilty of wasting possession.
Thought some of Sagna's decision making on the ball left much to be desired. Gibbs had his usual game, honest but flawed in places. One gripe I have with him is that when the ball is on the opposite side of the pitch to him , he is drawn towards it leaving too much room behind him.
Thought Giroud was probably our best player with Kos also playing well. Anyway on we go , certainly a draw would have done fine last night which makes the manner of defeat harder to accept.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

See the same old people popped out of the woodwork tonight waiting for this result to crop up so they could spout their usual tripe.
Marginally losing a game against a top class side after being caught chasing the game; no shame in that. Albeit neither team were great tonight and both created very little. Now asking a lot to see us qualify from the group but it should show whether we are up to the challenge and warrant being labelled a top class side. Only time will tell...

If I was one of the Gooners in a constant orgasmic state over our recent winning run (which clearly I am not ) then the thing that would worry me most is that dortmund beat us last night without playing well themselves Even though I had a feeling we would win last night, it still didnt shock me that we lost - dortmund are a good team and losing to them is no disgrace plus I dont go along with the theory that they are not as good as last year as they only lost gotze and signed sahin and agueymang (sp ? ). The fact is though, that they didnt play well last night and still rarely looked in trouble - yes they didnt threaten our goal much either but, as most of us have already acknowledged, they controlled the game and looked far superior than us for most of the game. Some will point to the amount of players we had missing last night but realistically how many of them would have started last nights game if fit ? They were without 2 of their first choice team and still looked comfortable for most of the game I get that some feel that wally's pace would have been a help last night but history has shown us that he always struggles against a tactically well drilled defence so I would be hesitant about over hyping his absence.

Got to pull you up on those mate (even though I hate to do it ), how can you possibly prove that is a fact

Each and every one of their players could have been playing at their Best level but we nullified them to the point that they looked pretty ordinary

You cannot and I repeat cannot substantiate those remarks, carry on

[augie]

See the same old people popped out of the woodwork tonight waiting for this result to crop up so they could spout their usual tripe.
Marginally losing a game against a top class side after being caught chasing the game; no shame in that. Albeit neither team were great tonight and both created very little. Now asking a lot to see us qualify from the group but it should show whether we are up to the challenge and warrant being labelled a top class side. Only time will tell...

If I was one of the Gooners in a constant orgasmic state over our recent winning run (which clearly I am not ) then the thing that would worry me most is that dortmund beat us last night without playing well themselves Even though I had a feeling we would win last night, it still didnt shock me that we lost - dortmund are a good team and losing to them is no disgrace plus I dont go along with the theory that they are not as good as last year as they only lost gotze and signed sahin and agueymang (sp ? ). The fact is though, that they didnt play well last night and still rarely looked in trouble - yes they didnt threaten our goal much either but, as most of us have already acknowledged, they controlled the game and looked far superior than us for most of the game. Some will point to the amount of players we had missing last night but realistically how many of them would have started last nights game if fit ? They were without 2 of their first choice team and still looked comfortable for most of the game I get that some feel that wally's pace would have been a help last night but history has shown us that he always struggles against a tactically well drilled defence so I would be hesitant about over hyping his absence.

Got to pull you up on those mate (even though I hate to do it ), how can you possibly prove that is a fact

Each and every one of their players could have been playing at their Best level but we nullified them to the point that they looked pretty ordinary

You cannot and I repeat cannot substantiate those remarks, carry on

Reus and our next big buy lewandowski ( ) were largely anonymous - if we acknowledge that we didn't play well and substantiate that by citing the performances of ozil and jack, then shouldn't the same logic apply to them ? By and large they are a very attacking team but last night we didn't see much of that so why was that then ? It wasn't as if we strangled a grip on the game in midfield cos we didn't and it wasn't as though our backline was magnificent cos with the exception of kos we weren't - for me they just didn't get going at all in an attacking sense and that was typified by their right back who ballsed up a few great chances before crossing for the winner. Maybe they didn't shine offensively because that wasn't part of their tactical gameplan but I am certainly expecting our defence to be under a lot more pressure in the return game

[markyp]

I don't get the 'Dortmund didn't play well argument'.we incase you hadn't noticed are a very hard team to beat and break down,the last 20 odd games prove this,dortmund had a lot of the ball,controlled the first half and at least half the second half,although they only managed a couple of shots they still outplayed us.remember the marseiille game,we were run off the pitch but we won,we came through,this is what Dortmund did last night,it was a controlled and measured performance by Dortmund and away from home,we aren't that shoite that Dortmund can come here play crap and beat us,like I said we are very hard to break down these days but Dortmund managed it twice on our turf.a truly crap performance was napolis,they didn't trouble at all for 90 minutes

[QuartzGooner]

Thought Dortmund played well because they played as a team.

Not brilliantly because we managed to keep Lewandowski fairly quiet until his goal.

They set themselves out on the pitch very astutely, well spaced and with good communication between their players.
This cut off many of our usual passing angles and they pressed us well.

It also pressed Ramsey deeper than usual, and kept Ozil peripheral.

Dortmund of course had their moment of error, our goal, where there was a defensive mix up.
Plus three moments of luck, they let Rosicky shoot first half but cleared off the line, and Cazorla get off that shot in the second half, and Lewandowski might have been sent off rather than cautioned.

[Herd]

I was pissed of and tired at work today but as so often happens a person made my day .
As in some places theres always a spurs fan ready to give it,they cant help themselves they are that dumb.
This one works in the same group of companies but never would he have a reason to walk into my orifice.
So he comes in and starts waffling to my bemused staff about vors sprung dor technic and german efficiency,
not having the aristotle to say anything to me personally .
I shout out to him oi dave do u know whats the similarity is between a J arthur rank and a spurs fan ???
No he says

well theres fuck all similarity but it doesn't hurt to knock one out now and again,does it ?

he wasnt down the pub after ,probably the prices

[clockender1]

Cannot believe anyone is slating Arteta for last night. .

i'm not slating him - just pointing out that he was being played out of position and doesn't have the engine at his age to not only tackle and cover, but anticipate and break up the play like Flamini does.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

See the same old people popped out of the woodwork tonight waiting for this result to crop up so they could spout their usual tripe.
Marginally losing a game against a top class side after being caught chasing the game; no shame in that. Albeit neither team were great tonight and both created very little. Now asking a lot to see us qualify from the group but it should show whether we are up to the challenge and warrant being labelled a top class side. Only time will tell...

If I was one of the Gooners in a constant orgasmic state over our recent winning run (which clearly I am not ) then the thing that would worry me most is that dortmund beat us last night without playing well themselves Even though I had a feeling we would win last night, it still didnt shock me that we lost - dortmund are a good team and losing to them is no disgrace plus I dont go along with the theory that they are not as good as last year as they only lost gotze and signed sahin and agueymang (sp ? ). The fact is though, that they didnt play well last night and still rarely looked in trouble - yes they didnt threaten our goal much either but, as most of us have already acknowledged, they controlled the game and looked far superior than us for most of the game. Some will point to the amount of players we had missing last night but realistically how many of them would have started last nights game if fit ? They were without 2 of their first choice team and still looked comfortable for most of the game I get that some feel that wally's pace would have been a help last night but history has shown us that he always struggles against a tactically well drilled defence so I would be hesitant about over hyping his absence.

Got to pull you up on those mate (even though I hate to do it ), how can you possibly prove that is a fact

Each and every one of their players could have been playing at their Best level but we nullified them to the point that they looked pretty ordinary

You cannot and I repeat cannot substantiate those remarks, carry on

Reus and our next big buy lewandowski ( ) were largely anonymous - if we acknowledge that we didn't play well and substantiate that by citing the performances of ozil and jack, then shouldn't the same logic apply to them ? By and large they are a very attacking team but last night we didn't see much of that so why was that then ? It wasn't as if we strangled a grip on the game in midfield cos we didn't and it wasn't as though our backline was magnificent cos with the exception of kos we weren't - for me they just didn't get going at all in an attacking sense and that was typified by their right back who ballsed up a few great chances before crossing for the winner. Maybe they didn't shine offensively because that wasn't part of their tactical gameplan but I am certainly expecting our defence to be under a lot more pressure in the return game

WTF are you on Augie

You should be a politician mate cos nothing you say makes sense and you answer everything with a non-answer

You move more goal posts than the council on hackney marshes mate.

Go back to what I said and what you said and none of this above because you CANNOT substantiate it even with your fuzzy logic

[LDB]

I might be seeing this game all wrong but I thought there was a dearth of clear cut chances because both teams played quite well rather then being shit. Dortmund pressed us so high and worked really hard first half there are very few teams in the world who could have lived with it. I thought we did quite well to have as much of the ball as we did, every other team in England would have been completely overrun imo. A manc mate of mine piped up this morning, Dortmund would have had them for breakfast.

Second half I felt we shaded it and controlled the game, Ozil began to get half a second longer on the ball (although he seemed to be wide on the right for most of the half with 3 Dortmund defenders for company). Calling for Ozil to be subbed is just about as mental as it gets around here. The combination play between him and sagna looked the most likely thing to create a chance for us second half.

I thought it was a high quality game of football played at a fast tempo, draw would have been the fair result but hey ho. I will just say it was also evidence that Walcott should be in the starting 11 when fit.