Today feels like the beginning of the end.

[Irish Gooner]

Wenger will fail if he just wins the milky way spoon/mug

out vs barca

united unbeatable

leaves the fa cup, which will be sacrificed


Thus Wenger should resign in May by my calculations.


The onus is on the board to research managers NOW, such as great potentials like Coyle,Moyes, Warnock, O'Leary.

Any would be an improvement and an adequete replacement. Wouldnt tolerate no shit and pussying about.

[highburyJD]

classic
I was actually buying that post till the Andy Gray bit
worryingly close to the reality of some posters

[QuartzGooner]

@USMartin

I see before me a club second in the league, in a domestic cup final, still in Europe and the FA Cup, with a new world class stadium, with manageable debt.

What I do not see is adequate defending, and a squad that is three players short of being a strong challenger for the title (Centre back, defensive midfielder, fast powerful striker).

So if you are terrified that the board are up to no good, then investigate them yourself. Do not worry about what I am up to. I am not a director or manager of Arsenal.

I am happy to sit here and just chat about the cub for now, though if by some chance or design I become a multi-millionaire I might try to become a director!

[Irish Gooner]

classic
I was actually buying that post till the Andy Gray bit
worryingly close to the reality of some posters

andy gray knows more about english football than overhyped flash crap like Guardiola who happened to land the greatest player ever.

i'd take gray, a man who knows the game like the back of his hand and will give back the arsenal, over flash tosh like guardiola

[USMartin]

@USMartin

I see before me a club second in the league, in a domestic cup final, still in Europe and the FA Cup, with a new world class stadium, with manageable debt.

What I do not see is adequate defending, and a squad that is three players short of being a strong challenger for the title (Centre back, defensive midfielder, fast powerful striker).

So if you are terrified that the board are up to no good, then investigate them yourself. Do not worry about what I am up to. I am not a director or manager of Arsenal.

I am happy to sit here and just chat about the cub for now, though if by some chance or design I become a multi-millionaire I might try to become a director!

I think that you remind too much of people who ignore problems right infront of them until it is far too late. Do you wait to advise someone you know is dangerously obese to change their diet or get more exercise or see a docot until after their heart attack because you don;'t want to believe things are serious?

As I say you yourself have confirmed the Board have imposed constraints on spendign and will continue to do and that we just have to accept for the foreseeable future, despite the fact that we have as much as 100 million pounds available to invest in the football team if we desire.

As you say our debt is managable now. There is no reason not to be investing in the football club other than a lack of desire to do so. And we all should want to know why that is the case. Because the longer we sit by silently the longer we will suffer for it. and by we I mean you and I as supporters of the club. The supporters and the supporters alone will suffer. We all will suffer and suffer that much longer because some supporters would rather delude themselves that this is the same Board as forty years or eighty years ago and incapable of behaving any differently from those Boards. They are more frightened of the possible truth than its consequences even.

The truth only matters because of its consequences, and if you wait until its too late to face up to the truth its cretainly too late to alter the consequences, and history may indeed remeber that the supporers allowed the club to be abused by ots owners oin this era. Indeed if I am right about what is happening down the line we may be reduced to quotiing Shakespeare and admitting the fault lines in ourselves then. But it won;'t be all of us who have to say that.

[USMartin]

Wenger will fail if he just wins the milky way spoon/mug

out vs barca

united unbeatable

leaves the fa cup, which will be sacrificed


Thus Wenger should resign in May by my calculations.


The onus is on the board to research managers NOW, such as great potentials like Coyle,Moyes, Warnock, O'Leary.

Any would be an improvement and an adequete replacement. Wouldnt tolerate no shit and pussying about.

And what more will any other manager achieve on the current budget in place at Arsenal? Seriously from 1998-2005 we finished first or second. Since then we have finished third or fourth. So surely we should expect a new manager to take Arsenal back to first or second straight away no?

And if they cannot recruit better players to come to Arsenal or pay our best players more to stay because of the existing financial policies how can any new manager achieve better than third or fourth now?

It's bad enough that would prove that the current manager unfairly paid the price for his employers policies but most people would be unwilling to see it right away because of the change in manager. In other words they would be able to continue conning us that much longer if that is what they are doing.

[MutleyGooner]

The truth only matters because of its consequences, and if you wait until its too late to face up to the truth its cretainly too late to alter the consequences, and history may indeed remeber that the supporers allowed the club to be abused by ots owners oin this era. Indeed if I am right about what is happening down the line we may be reduced to quotiing Shakespeare and admitting the fault lines in ourselves then. But it won;'t be all of us who have to say that.

Fucking hell mate you are starting to sound like Billy Graham, do you ever stop trying to preach?

[USMartin]

The truth only matters because of its consequences, and if you wait until its too late to face up to the truth its cretainly too late to alter the consequences, and history may indeed remeber that the supporers allowed the club to be abused by ots owners oin this era. Indeed if I am right about what is happening down the line we may be reduced to quotiing Shakespeare and admitting the fault lines in ourselves then. But it won;'t be all of us who have to say that.

Fucking hell mate you are starting to sound like Billy Graham, do you ever stop trying to preach?

I would love to stop, I would love to have reason to stop. Unfortunately I do not at this time.

[MutleyGooner]

The truth only matters because of its consequences, and if you wait until its too late to face up to the truth its cretainly too late to alter the consequences, and history may indeed remeber that the supporers allowed the club to be abused by ots owners oin this era. Indeed if I am right about what is happening down the line we may be reduced to quotiing Shakespeare and admitting the fault lines in ourselves then. But it won;'t be all of us who have to say that.

Fucking hell mate you are starting to sound like Billy Graham, do you ever stop trying to preach?

I would love to stop, I would love to have reason to stop. Unfortunately I do not at this time.

Heres a good reason, your boring the fuck out of me and ruining countless threads by banging on about the same old shit, albeit shit that you find interesting, but still shit nevertheless. Whilst your views and opinions on the board maybe close to your heart, they are not to mine or many others on here. I love watching Arsenal play football and couldn't give a flying fuck who is on the board, be it a fat russian gangster or some plank from your side of the pond.

[USMartin]

The truth only matters because of its consequences, and if you wait until its too late to face up to the truth its cretainly too late to alter the consequences, and history may indeed remeber that the supporers allowed the club to be abused by ots owners oin this era. Indeed if I am right about what is happening down the line we may be reduced to quotiing Shakespeare and admitting the fault lines in ourselves then. But it won;'t be all of us who have to say that.

Fucking hell mate you are starting to sound like Billy Graham, do you ever stop trying to preach?

I would love to stop, I would love to have reason to stop. Unfortunately I do not at this time.

Heres a good reason, your boring the fuck out of me and ruining countless threads by banging on about the same old shit, albeit shit that you find interesting, but still shit nevertheless. Whilst your views and opinions on the board maybe close to your heart, they are not to mine or many others on here. I love watching Arsenal play football and couldn't give a flying fuck who is on the board, be it a fat russian gangster or some plank from your side of the pond.

That is wonderful - so then if we win nothing it shouldn't bother you one bit should it? You justy love watching us play football - silverware is something meaningless then, no?

And if it does than why we may not be winning anything should concern you

[Madd Mark]

Today feels like the beginning of the end.

The beginning of the end of the trophy drought.....
No reason not to keep the inertia going on all fronts...
Would like to see Song and Fabs get Sat. off just to keep the exhaustion to a minimum.

[MutleyGooner]

The truth only matters because of its consequences, and if you wait until its too late to face up to the truth its cretainly too late to alter the consequences, and history may indeed remeber that the supporers allowed the club to be abused by ots owners oin this era. Indeed if I am right about what is happening down the line we may be reduced to quotiing Shakespeare and admitting the fault lines in ourselves then. But it won;'t be all of us who have to say that.

Fucking hell mate you are starting to sound like Billy Graham, do you ever stop trying to preach?

I would love to stop, I would love to have reason to stop. Unfortunately I do not at this time.

Heres a good reason, your boring the fuck out of me and ruining countless threads by banging on about the same old shit, albeit shit that you find interesting, but still shit nevertheless. Whilst your views and opinions on the board maybe close to your heart, they are not to mine or many others on here. I love watching Arsenal play football and couldn't give a flying fuck who is on the board, be it a fat russian gangster or some plank from your side of the pond.

That is wonderful - so then if we win nothing it shouldn't bother you one bit should it? You justy love watching us play football - silverware is something meaningless then, no?

And if it does than why we may not be winning anything should concern you

We are not chelsea, Wenger picks the team not the board. Unfortunately that is the bit that you seem unable to grasp. Did you start following Arsenal because you liked the way in which they were financed? Most fans support a team either because they are local to that area, were born into Arsenal supporting families or liked the players and style of play.

[USMartin]

We are not chelsea, Wenger picks the team not the board. Unfortunately that is the bit that you seem unable to grasp. Did you start following Arsenal because you liked the way in which they were financed? Most fans support a team either because they are local to that area, were born into Arsenal supporting families or liked the players and style of play.

I see you avoid my questions here.

The point is this is not amateur sport where you can pick the very best players and if they want to play for you that is it. The truth is our lack of investment in terms of transfer fees and wages to our current players shares who the manager actually can recruit to play at Arsenal and thus impacts who he has to pick from. That is thre reason we had the teams we did from 1998-2005 and the reason we have had the teams we have had since then. Or do you genuinely think he judged Denilson was genuinely better than Essien, Bendtner better than Drogba, Rosicky better than Cristaino Ronaldo, and Vela better than Messi?

And if you believe that than why has the Board,which must able to see this if you or I could see it, not only chosen not to sack the manager but offered multiple extended and improved contracts?

[USMartin]

By the way I became a supporter entirely on my own a long time ago - In the first Sports Illustrated I ever read was an article about Arsenal winning the Double from May of 71. I was fascinated from then and when Public TV began airing English football years later I naturally recognized the name and the cannons on the shirts and became fascinated even more and became a Gooner all alone in a small town before the internet or even cable TV, over a decade before the dramatic night at Anfield.

I remember than wondering why we wore red-and-white at home since we wore blue-and-yellow away, and thought the FA Cup was more important than winning the League back then, and marvelling at how Highbury was like a castle surrounded by a town.

[MutleyGooner]

Yes silverware is always nice to win, but based on there only being 4 league winners & 2 domestic cups to play for each season and 92 league clubs, there will always be at least 86 teams who fail each season. We all want to see our team do well but traditionally fans will go along and support their team regardless of league position, just look at Leeds.

This is why I have a problem with you, you seem to think that we have a divine right to pick up silverware and that the board are purposely trying to prevent this from happening. That is a ridiculous thing to suggest but you are too blinkered to see otherwise.

I am sure that the board have their own views on which players they would like to see playing for Arsenal, fortunately they stick to balancing the books and leave Wenger to name his transfer targets and pick the team. Admittedly he doesn't always get it right but I think he is doing a better job than Kroenke or Usmanov would, just as I wouldn't want Wenger doing the company accounts.