Nasri Contract situation

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g88ner wrote:
SWLGooner wrote:
g88ner wrote: We're allowed to question the direction of the club, but players aren't?
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Basically, YES.
Oh, well that's a bit fucked up, isn't it? :shock: :?

If I wasn't convinced the company I worked for was capable of helping me achieve my goals, I'd question my future at the company...

If I was paid less than what I could earn elsewhere, I'd also question my future at the company...

BUT if I felt I couldn't achieve my goals with the company AND I could earn more elsewhere then I'd seriously be questioning whether I should stay or not!

It's completely natural for players to be concerned - in the same way, it's only natural for the fans to be concerned. After all, we all have a vested interest in the success of the club, don't we? - to think otherwise is very closed minded, even if you don't agree with the way he's gone about it.
If i had been productive for only 3 months of a 3 year stay at that company im not sure id have much right to complain about its direction. More a responsibility to help change that direction.

This is about money and money alone.

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LDB wrote: This is about money and money alone.
Okay, lets say you're right and that Nasri won't sign a new contract because he's not happy with the money on offer...

What's so wrong about that exactly? - the majority of people on this planet would happily trade jobs for a better wage. Why should footballers be any different? - after all, footballers are only human beings like the rest of us, and their moral code should be no different to ours!

They're just employees... nothing more. What possible connection could an Algerian Frenchman have with a North London football club, that would make him sign a new contract for less money than he could get elsewhere AND almost certainly win fuck all? - he would get offers from top top clubs who weigh success in trophies won, and pay top dollar to their employees.... really, it's not that hard to understand, is it? - especially when the club looks certain to sell their best player, Cesc Fabregas. Hardly going to make him feel better about staying! :oops: :lol:

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g88ner wrote:
LDB wrote: This is about money and money alone.
Okay, lets say you're right and that Nasri won't sign a new contract because he's not happy with the money on offer...

What's so wrong about that exactly? - the majority of people on this planet would happily trade jobs for a better wage. Why should footballers be any different? - after all, footballers are only human beings like the rest of us, and their moral code should be no different to ours!

They're just employees... nothing more. What possible connection could an Algerian Frenchman have with a North London football club, that would make him sign a new contract for less money than he could get elsewhere AND almost certainly win fuck all? - he would get offers from top top clubs who weigh success in trophies won, and pay top dollar to their employees.... really, it's not that hard to understand, is it? - especially when the club looks certain to sell their best player, Cesc Fabregas. Hardly going to make him feel better about staying! :oops: :lol:
spot on, g88ner.

we need to realise that WE are the supporters, we are the fools who support arsenal whatever happens, whoever is in charge etcetera.

being a footballer is his job, and what you can expect from a professional man is that he will give 100% during the time he has a contract with us. even though nasri's form had a dip in the second half of the season, i think he was working hard.

if he received offers where he'll have better conditions (higher wages, better coleagues and a bigger chance to win things) how can we blame him for accepting it? don't forget that WE are the supporters, he is the professional who rightfully sees the clubs as companies that hire him... and what he wants, just like everyone of us, is a life that is as comfortable as possible.

now that i've been reasonable and fair, i'm getting back to being a football fan:

fuck off nasri you *word censored*, we don't need your sort here :evil:

there, now i'm better 8)

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we're not fools we're loyal. I don't see any different way. we have passion and if hopping around from club to club , just to earn more money is what he thinks football is about he can't share any passion we have can he? otherwise he would have stayed at his beloved marseille . mercenaries. :banghead:

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I think the complaint lies with the fact that these people have (seemingly) no loyalty to any particular organization. Even employees should have some fondness for an employer who pays them well and takes good care of them, especially when that company gave you a chance when you were a relative unknown in a much smaller market (ie Nasri in Ligue 1). You'd think you'd be grateful to that organization and try to help them succeed, instead of saying "fuck you, I can make a little bit more over there, so good bye." Especially before you even complete the task you were assigned to do (win a title).

You can be a profit-maximizing employee all you want, but that still doesn't make you less of a c*nt.

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Henry Norris 1913 wrote:we're not fools we're loyal. I don't see any different way. we have passion and if hopping around from club to club , just to earn more money is what he thinks football is about he can't share any passion we have can he? otherwise he would have stayed at his beloved marseille . mercenaries. :banghead:
don't get me wrong, mate. of course we are not fools, i was being sarcastic. what i mean is that we see arsenal with VERY different eyes to those who work for arsenal.

we see it with passion, we see the club as a hugely important part of our lifes. professional footballers see a club as a company, as the place where they'll earn their living. it's worlds apart. and to be honest, are they wrong?

do you 'support' the company you work for, and would say no to a better offer from a different company where you would win more money and achieve higher goals? i think 99% percent of people would say no, and footballers are not different.

i loved the first company i worked in. loved the people, loved the atmosphere, it was a very nice place to work. in fact, the best place i worked in so far. however, i got older, my life became more expensive, and my old job would not allow me to travel to the grove once a year as i wanted to. when i told my ex-boss i was leaving, he was very sad and frustrated and asked me to stay, just like supporters do to the good players about to leave the club... and i had to play 'nasri', saying 'well, i'm sorry, but i need something this company cannot offer me. raise my wages or i'm leaving'. he didn't, and i left.

i still think of that company and my ex-coleagues with high regards and really hope they destroy their opposition. see? am i a mercenary? and i did exactly what samir and cesc are doing. moving on to better things. just like you would (and probably already have, in some moment of your professional career)

EDIT: just to add one more thing: i think the right way to do this in our heads is this: the player who is really committed to the club, like dennis was for example, should be seen as a legend and that commitment should be praised whenever possible. normal players on the other hand should be treated like normal people. who do normal stuff. simple as that.

that's the problem, you know. we tend to turn people who are good at kicking the ball into gods or something like that. they're not. nasri's poo is as stinky as mine.

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Nasri's beef isn't with the fans, it's with the club. Maybe Arsenal will convince him to stay, maybe they won't. But if he fell out of favour then the club would fuck him over royally and any talk of loyalty would go out the window. Players get left out. Players get forcibly sold. Ambitious players want trophies.....

Denis Bergkamp is really loyal isn't he. A one club man. Well no. If he was one club then that would be Ajax. But he left them for Inter (a good deal for player and club) before coming to Arsenal (another good deal for players and club.

Lee Dixon, a Citeh fan, was at Burnley, Chester City, Bury and Stoke City before becoming our loyal player....

I truly hope he stays. And of course I'll call him a *word censored* if he goes to the mancs. But footballers aren't fans..... Who could really blame him!

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g88ner wrote:
LDB wrote: This is about money and money alone.
Okay, lets say you're right and that Nasri won't sign a new contract because he's not happy with the money on offer...

What's so wrong about that exactly? - the majority of people on this planet would happily trade jobs for a better wage. Why should footballers be any different? - after all, footballers are only human beings like the rest of us, and their moral code should be no different to ours!

They're just employees... nothing more. What possible connection could an Algerian Frenchman have with a North London football club, that would make him sign a new contract for less money than he could get elsewhere AND almost certainly win fuck all? - he would get offers from top top clubs who weigh success in trophies won, and pay top dollar to their employees.... really, it's not that hard to understand, is it? - especially when the club looks certain to sell their best player, Cesc Fabregas. Hardly going to make him feel better about staying! :oops: :lol:
Fine, but dont pretend its about anything else then a higher wage. Be honest and I'll respect the lad alot more. I'll still hate the *word censored* for fucking over my club but at least I'll still have a bit of respect left for him.

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LDB wrote:
g88ner wrote:
LDB wrote: This is about money and money alone.
Okay, lets say you're right and that Nasri won't sign a new contract because he's not happy with the money on offer...

What's so wrong about that exactly? - the majority of people on this planet would happily trade jobs for a better wage. Why should footballers be any different? - after all, footballers are only human beings like the rest of us, and their moral code should be no different to ours!

They're just employees... nothing more. What possible connection could an Algerian Frenchman have with a North London football club, that would make him sign a new contract for less money than he could get elsewhere AND almost certainly win fuck all? - he would get offers from top top clubs who weigh success in trophies won, and pay top dollar to their employees.... really, it's not that hard to understand, is it? - especially when the club looks certain to sell their best player, Cesc Fabregas. Hardly going to make him feel better about staying! :oops: :lol:
Fine, but dont pretend its about anything else then a higher wage. Be honest and I'll respect the lad alot more. I'll still hate the c**t for fucking over my club but at least I'll still have a bit of respect left for him.

This is exactly my point - tbh I really admire players that want to leave us in their quest for trophies cos it shows a level of driving ambition that is badly missing throughout our club. That being said if that is the case then be up front, tell wenger and the board that this aint about money and you wont be signing a new contract at the club regardless of what is on offer and you might be surprised at the level of acceptance from the fans for your decision. Demanding huge money only paints you as another mercenary in a profession that is overloaded with them :roll: :(

Of course the thing about nasri is that you cant help feeling that if he is to win medals then his team-mates will have to win them for him - you cannot show the level of inconsistancy and the lack of drive nasri does over a season and still expect to succeed

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radford is very tired of the bloke nasri. he took two years to deliver 4 & 1/2 of form then disappeared when the going got tough. goodbye

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Lets forget all the stuff about whether he's going for money or trophies, and get back to the important bit i.e. who is the GIC and the board going to sign in his place that will improve us ?

Oxlade-Chamberlain - is that it ?

Do me a fucking favour. Young was available but we weren't interested, so where do we turn now.

Like Nasri or not we'd have been a worse side without him last year. So come on - who is going to come in and be better than him ?

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SteveO 35 wrote: Like Nasri or not we'd have been a worse side without him last year. So come on - who is going to come in and be better than him ?
Patience m8, in the 15 years Wenger's been here his world-class, and envy of the world, youth system has produced Jack and Ashley.

So, by reckoning, in 2018 we'll have a ready-made replacement for Nasri.

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SteveO 35 wrote:Lets forget all the stuff about whether he's going for money or trophies, and get back to the important bit i.e. who is the GIC and the board going to sign in his place that will improve us ?

Oxlade-Chamberlain - is that it ?

Do me a fucking favour. Young was available but we weren't interested, so where do we turn now.

Like Nasri or not we'd have been a worse side without him last year. So come on - who is going to come in and be better than him ?

My gripe exactly - if ashley young with one year left on his contract is worth 15m then nasri should be worth at least that given the difference in experience between them. We could have sold nasri, bought young and probably still made a small profit and have a better balance to the team 8)

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The longer the silence continues from club manager and player, after his United comments, the worse this will get.

Hes basically doing an Adebayor, lets not kid ourselves. The only difference is he isnt quite as dumb and was already universally like by our fans, unlike Mr Adebayor.

If he stays and a certain section boo him next season I wouldnt be surprised. The last few days I've heard him get an awful lot of stick from talking to fans. And his twitter is filled with abuse.

If he wants to act like a greedy *word censored*, he will be treated accordingly.

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augie wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:Lets forget all the stuff about whether he's going for money or trophies, and get back to the important bit i.e. who is the GIC and the board going to sign in his place that will improve us ?

Oxlade-Chamberlain - is that it ?

Do me a fucking favour. Young was available but we weren't interested, so where do we turn now.

Like Nasri or not we'd have been a worse side without him last year. So come on - who is going to come in and be better than him ?

My gripe exactly - if ashley young with one year left on his contract is worth 15m then nasri should be worth at least that given the difference in experience between them. We could have sold nasri, bought young and probably still made a small profit and have a better balance to the team 8)
If Cahill is valued at 17 and Young 15 then the club would not sell him for 10, I've read we've turned down Liverpools offer so the club ain't in a giving mood.

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