Man City (H) CC Thread

[Gunnersaurus]

Good strikers dont come cheap Rooney Suarez and Aguero all cost over £25m.Wenger will never pay that for a striker or any player.Chamakh and Park cost £2m between them and that was £2m too much.

But we're not after a first choice, as Van Persie (who cost something like £2-3m) has scored 30-odd goals in 2011.

You can't expect Wenger to sign a top quality striker of that level - and at the price you're quoting - to play backup to Van Persie.... we're not Citeh!

You're being totally unrealistic mate.

There is a middle ground though which Wenger is clearly avoiding.

Don't shoot me down but someone 'like' Zamora would be a much more valuable addition then Chamakh or Park who were both out of the pound shop.

[Barriecuda]

We have too multi-billionares as our two biggest share holders.We could go out and buy quality players and pay them big wages.Yet we buy shite like Chamakh and Park.And thats why are best players leave.

Oh I totally agree mate. More the reason to enjoy Wilshere, Frimpong, etc.

We do not look at all likely to get any valuable players anytime soon, unless they emerge from our own ranks. And the sad truth is, for every Chamakh we get, Wenger & management has a Koscielny to point to - "look, we gave him time and it worked out, didn't it?"

I suppose the ultimate irony that we all have to laugh at, is that in recent times Wenger managed to pick out two good defenders (TV5 and LK6) but his striker buys have not amounted to much (Bendtner, Chamakh).

[augie]

Good strikers dont come cheap Rooney Suarez and Aguero all cost over £25m.Wenger will never pay that for a striker or any player.Chamakh and Park cost £2m between them and that was £2m too much.

But we're not after a first choice, as Van Persie (who cost something like £2-3m) has scored 30-odd goals in 2011.

You can't expect Wenger to sign a top quality striker of that level - and at the price you're quoting - to play backup to Van Persie.... we're not Citeh!

You're being totally unrealistic mate.

There is a middle ground though which Wenger is clearly avoiding.

Don't shoot me down but someone 'like' Zamora would be a much more valuable addition then Chamakh or Park who were both out of the pound shop.

Or buy another quality striker, go back to 4-4-2 and play him alongside rvp It aint rocket science to know that all the opposition team need to focus on is keeping rvp quiet to beat us so he needs help to take some of the attention away from him. Wenger can fcuk right off with his bullshit formation

[Skooner]

Good strikers dont come cheap Rooney Suarez and Aguero all cost over £25m.Wenger will never pay that for a striker or any player.Chamakh and Park cost £2m between them and that was £2m too much.

But we're not after a first choice, as Van Persie (who cost something like £2-3m) has scored 30-odd goals in 2011.

You can't expect Wenger to sign a top quality striker of that level - and at the price you're quoting - to play backup to Van Persie.... we're not Citeh!

You're being totally unrealistic mate.

There is a middle ground though which Wenger is clearly avoiding.

Don't shoot me down but someone 'like' Zamora would be a much more valuable addition then Chamakh or Park who were both out of the pound shop.

Agreed, I'd actually rather have someone like Kevin Phillips on the bench that the current alternatives. Chamakh really confuses me, he isn't even a Wenger type player. I may not rate the likes of Rosicky or Arshavin but it makes sense that Wenger buys them.

Realistically the back up strikers are going to be either right at the start or at the end of their careers, we can't afford to pay a top draw player to sit on the bench so we need to scout around but there are players out there who could easily improve on what we have.

[Barriecuda]

Good strikers dont come cheap Rooney Suarez and Aguero all cost over £25m.Wenger will never pay that for a striker or any player.Chamakh and Park cost £2m between them and that was £2m too much.

But we're not after a first choice, as Van Persie (who cost something like £2-3m) has scored 30-odd goals in 2011.

You can't expect Wenger to sign a top quality striker of that level - and at the price you're quoting - to play backup to Van Persie.... we're not Citeh!

You're being totally unrealistic mate.

There is a middle ground though which Wenger is clearly avoiding.

Don't shoot me down but someone 'like' Zamora would be a much more valuable addition then Chamakh or Park who were both out of the pound shop.

Agreed, I'd actually rather have someone like Kevin Phillips on the bench that the current alternatives. Chamakh really confuses me, he isn't even a Wenger type player. I may not rate the likes of Rosicky or Arshavin but it makes sense that Wenger buys them.

Realistically the back up strikers are going to be either right at the start or at the end of their careers, we can't afford to pay a top draw player to sit on the bench so we need to scout around but there are players out there who could easily improve on what we have.

Even a well-aged goalpoacher would be a huge improvement. Guys like Raul or Filippo Inzaghi, smart players who know where to be to grab a goal. I think those two are maybe a little too old now, but the idea is right.

That or just a hard-worker who throws everything he has towards the ball in hopes to score. Usually you get that from the younger players looking to make a name for themselves.

So in other words... I totally agree.

[g88ner]

Good strikers dont come cheap Rooney Suarez and Aguero all cost over £25m.Wenger will never pay that for a striker or any player.Chamakh and Park cost £2m between them and that was £2m too much.

But we're not after a first choice, as Van Persie (who cost something like £2-3m) has scored 30-odd goals in 2011.

You can't expect Wenger to sign a top quality striker of that level - and at the price you're quoting - to play backup to Van Persie.... we're not Citeh!

You're being totally unrealistic mate.

There is a middle ground though which Wenger is clearly avoiding.

My only point above was that it's unrealistic to expect us to sign a £25m striker to sit on the bench.

But yes, I totally agree, there is a middle ground.

[Skooner]

Good strikers dont come cheap Rooney Suarez and Aguero all cost over £25m.Wenger will never pay that for a striker or any player.Chamakh and Park cost £2m between them and that was £2m too much.

But we're not after a first choice, as Van Persie (who cost something like £2-3m) has scored 30-odd goals in 2011.

You can't expect Wenger to sign a top quality striker of that level - and at the price you're quoting - to play backup to Van Persie.... we're not Citeh!

You're being totally unrealistic mate.

There is a middle ground though which Wenger is clearly avoiding.

Don't shoot me down but someone 'like' Zamora would be a much more valuable addition then Chamakh or Park who were both out of the pound shop.

Agreed, I'd actually rather have someone like Kevin Phillips on the bench that the current alternatives. Chamakh really confuses me, he isn't even a Wenger type player. I may not rate the likes of Rosicky or Arshavin but it makes sense that Wenger buys them.

Realistically the back up strikers are going to be either right at the start or at the end of their careers, we can't afford to pay a top draw player to sit on the bench so we need to scout around but there are players out there who could easily improve on what we have.

Even a well-aged goalpoacher would be a huge improvement. Guys like Raul or Filippo Inzaghi, smart players who know where to be to grab a goal. I think those two are maybe a little too old now, but the idea is right.

That or just a hard-worker who throws everything he has towards the ball in hopes to score. Usually you get that from the younger players looking to make a name for themselves.

So in other words... I totally agree.

All in all its very frustrating, as with a number of issues with Wenger, its actually not really about the money (not that I am saying that isn't an issue). Perhaps more than any other premier league manager he seems too quick to dismiss the idea of certain players and certain types of player. Owen hasn't been a massive success at United but I understand the logic behind the signing, and he still seems to score when he actually plays.

Also, some players simply have to play week in week out to perform, or at least get plenty of game time. You can't play some of them once a month and expect them to turn it on straight away, these guys don't even play reserve football any more so all they do is train, no competitive action. I guess its chicken and the egg, Chamakh and Park don't look up to it, so we don't risk them, but if they don't play they'll never find form. Benayoun is another one, he's best spells in England are when he played week in week out. As soon as he comes off the bench he does very little.

[Bring Back Pires]

The guys next to me tonight were fucking wankers. Toffs insisting on commentating throughout the entire game - was like listening to Tim Nice-But-Dim. They really thought they were superfans too, which was pretty sad.

A woman in the row in front looked appalled at the Nasri '*word censored*' chants, and kept looking around at us (like we were they only ones) everytime it started up. Stupid fucking bitch. I'm not a massive fan of excessive swearing at games, but everytime a swear word went up, she'd react as if she'd just been raped. Oh, and what a surprise - she left early. Get out, and never come back.

As for the match, it was to be expected. Without even a Championship level striker on the pitch, we were never going to score a goal. Chamakh's goal record is dire (is it about 1 in 25 appearances?) and I've no idea why AW perseveres with him.

The 'One AW chants' would have been laughable, if they weren't so depressing.

Finally, I picked up the Gooner, and one article claimed that Stuart Taylor was one of the worst two Arsenal goalkeepers of all time? What a load of bollocks. He was a decent 'keeper (involved in a title-winning campaign) and a good bloke too. Miles better than Alumunia, or Fabianski for that matter.

[Nos89]

I thought it was a good performance but we lost because of the very poor substitution wenger made by disrupting the defensive unit who had played really well. When the back four and dm's play well you do not change it unless there is an absolute need. Miquel had the measure of johnson in the 2nd half and bringing on TV5 ruined it. As wenger said we lost when we looked like winning it, because he broke up a well organised defence. Then why take chamberlain on when going for an equaliser???
Wenger cost us the match not because of his transfer policy but by his poor decision making on the night

[k.lertpisitkul]

I thought it was a good performance but we lost because of the very poor substitution wenger made by disrupting the defensive unit who had played really well. When the back four and dm's play well you do not change it unless there is an absolute need. Miquel had the measure of johnson in the 2nd half and bringing on TV5 ruined it. As wenger said we lost when we looked like winning it, because he broke up a well organised defence. Then why take chamberlain on when going for an equaliser???
Wenger cost us the match not because of his transfer policy but by his poor decision making on the night

Agreed, Did not have a single clue why miguel was subbed off for vermaelen

[Wengerball]

I see we're talking about a decent striking option- I know this might not be met with a great response but what about Michael Owen.

He gets no games at Utd, is still a decentish age and more importantly can finish- got to be better than Park or Chamakh

[QuartzGooner]

Owen for six months would be worth a gamble, but I doubt he would sign.
My hunch is he wants to live in the North West to be close to his horse racing interests, and a London commute would not suit him.

Zamora would be worth a punt.

[Babatunde]

Hmmmm.
I have read the names 'Bobby Zamora' and 'Kevin Phillips' as serious striker alternatives up front for what is, according to Forbes and Deloitte, the third most valuable club in world footballl and the fifth richest. A club that makes £3 mil a home game and the most expensive STs in the world, and some fans are pleading for a Zamora even. Desperate times. Remember, Zamore was booted out of Spuds for not being good enough.
Real sad times when I can see a piece of shit Spud like Jermain Defoe would waltz into this side and shit on those two wankers from France and Korea.
Why are ppl surprised Chamakh plays? HE IS FRENCH FFS! Like Diaby! And Song is from France too (though he represents Cameroon)!!!

Arsenal, ever the gallant losers.
'The future's bright'.

Seriously what the fuck has happened to this club? Wenger, that c**** has hoodwinked far too many folk and it's beyond ridiculous.

Two billionaires on our board and some are slating Citeh for 'buying all those players'. At least Citeh give their fans quality. Arsenal are cowards as they steal from their fans and give them shit on a stick like Park. And charge more than a Citeh ticket for it.

Also, what is this absolute blinding stuff I'm reading about 'a £20 mil striker would not come to sit on the bench'??!

This ain't Barca we are talking about, it's fucking Arsene Wanker FC. A £20 mil striker with quality would walk straight into this side. He wouldn't be RVP's understudy. Under a proper manager, knowing we struggle to even beat Fulham at home with RVP alone up top, a proper striker would play alongside RVP. And that would mean we could drop any of a number of useless mugs from our midfield. Take your pick from Arteta, Song, Diaby,etc....

Gervinho is the Ivorian Alex Hleb. Does a lot leading up to the nets but does fuck all in the end. £11 mil for that shit but guess what? Yup guessed it. He is also from the French league, so leave him alone!!!

[Deise Gooner]

Chamakh is possiby the worst forward i have seen play in quite a while and i cant see how he continues to play i the team. His first touch, passing and movement are all absolutely awful which showed when he squandered what looked like good chances to play a ball through or latch onto a pass both tonight and on saturday. I was very impressed by Chamberlain tonight he seems to have it all, pace, strength and an eye for goal id love to see him more often in the PL.

[Bedford Gunner]

I reiterate what has already been said so far. I thought that Chamberlain, Frimpong and Coquelin were all excellent and hopefully look forward to seeing the likes of Wilshere and Frimpong playing week in week out for Arsenal and actually knowing what the club stands for.

But as for Chamakh and Park, they were awful. I really wish that we had made an attempt to sign Sturridge before Chelski got him. He is young, English, always looks a threat whenever I have seen him play and has already bagged 7 goals this year being an understudy to Torres and Drogba.

Another option that I know would be better than the two lumps up front tonight would be Shane Long. A great record in the Championship with pace to burn. Already got as many goals this season as Park, Chamakh and Gervinho put together despite being out for a number of weeks injured.

I know I'll still be expecting the January transfer window to pass us by.