MANURE AWAY THREAD

Tallest gooner · Post by **Tallest gooner** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:30 am

EC3 wrote:DB10 - If you want to ban me fine, my post probably was a bit out of order.

This is a message board so of course people are entitled to post there opinions, that is the exact reason such boards exist.

Augie and some others are constantly negative (really don't know why people actually go if things are so bad)

Some of his posts maybe just to get a reaction, but people will disagree with him and as such will post.

I very rarely read anything he posts, because i know what his comments are likely to be.

He seems to throw around comments like me being and embarrassment or knob head...........if someone is going to post such comments then they should fully expect a reaction.

Fair point EC3, but you dont need to start telling people to 'meet before the game' to sort something so silly as a post on a internet forum out. If you dont like or agree with augie's post dont read them or flick past them when you are reading threads.

Next thing you will be snogging girls behind the bike sheds, before you wait for someone outside the school gates! grow up!

Post by **DB10GOONER** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:38 am

EC3 wrote:DB10 - If you want to ban me fine, my post probably was a bit out of order.

This is a message board so of course people are entitled to post there opinions, that is the exact reason such boards exist.

Augie and some others are constantly negative (really don't know why people actually go if things are so bad)

Some of his posts maybe just to get a reaction, but people will disagree with him and as such will post.

I very rarely read anything he posts, because i know what his comments are likely to be.

He seems to throw around comments like me being and embarrassment or knob head...........if someone is going to post such comments then they should fully expect a reaction.

EC3,

I don't want to ban anyone, mate. People have arguments on here all the time. And in reality I cannot ban anyone; I'm just a mod, that would be a decision for Gooner Ed or Mike Francis - but if a member threatens another member I would not hesitate to bring it to their attention.

You still haven't clarified if you were challenging augie to a fight or just a frank discussion. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt at the moment and am hoping this can be settled in an adult fashion with no one getting banned.

Tallest gooner · Post by **Tallest gooner** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:41 am

Bergkamp-Genius wrote:
Tallest gooner wrote:
> I was disapointed with AA23 performance apart from his goal, i read 'quotes' in the paper on the train going up saying he is still unfit and can only play 20 mins at the moment...... what the fuck!!! or am i missing something??
TG, i have my own thoughts on AA, i believe that the work rate required from him in the Barca style 4-3-3 system we are playing is stunting his explosiveness and creativity. I don't think he is unfit i just don't think he's the type of player (like most creative players) that likes grafting for 90 minutes and in the system we are playing that is expected of him, i think normally he would prefer to float around waiting to get the ball and then explode into the game, at the moment he is having to run around like a blue arse fly when we don't have the ball so when we get it half the time he's too f*cked to want the ball or to do much with it when he gets it.

I like the system and i think positionally it suits the types of players we have but i don't think we will see the best of AA while we are playing it and the same with but to a lesser extent Rvp, for the same reasons.
The way we play this system suits the Tevez's of this world, guys who are used to grafting and being creative, but for your normal flare players, running around like a blue arsed fly when we haven't got the ball is there worst nightmare and although it's best for the system and the team you won't see the creative best of them while they are having to work like that.

Never really looked at it like the B-G and i can see were your coming from. I dont no about you but im still unsure where AA23 best poistion is, on a wing, as a striker or just behind another striker??

Like you said i do like the new formation/system because it IMO makes us stronger when we havnt got the ball and defensivly, but i cant see how AA23 can fit into that without having to do the dirty work as well??

Post by **brazilianGOONER** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:18 pm

Bergkamp-Genius wrote: TG, i have my own thoughts on AA, i believe that the work rate required from him in the Barca style 4-3-3 system we are playing is stunting his explosiveness and creativity. I don't think he is unfit i just don't think he's the type of player (like most creative players) that likes grafting for 90 minutes and in the system we are playing that is expected of him, i think normally he would prefer to float around waiting to get the ball and then explode into the game, at the moment he is having to run around like a blue arse fly when we don't have the ball so when we get it half the time he's too f*cked to want the ball or to do much with it when he gets it.

I like the system and i think positionally it suits the types of players we have but i don't think we will see the best of AA while we are playing it and the same with but to a lesser extent Rvp, for the same reasons.
The way we play this system suits the Tevez's of this world, guys who are used to grafting and being creative, but for your normal flare players, running around like a blue arsed fly when we haven't got the ball is there worst nightmare and although it's best for the system and the team you won't see the creative best of them while they are having to work like that.

BG, i do agree with the fact that arshavin is not the most mobile of players and hasn't got the greatest workrate around, and that he would indeed probably benefit from a 4-4-1-1, with him being the dennis. i do not think, however, that he is a better and more decisive player than cesc fabregas is, and therefore i would not change our scheme simple because it would suit him 10% more. when i look at our 433, i see this season's song outplaying last season's song by a country mile, and that is the same with denilson and even fabregas, who seems to have exactly the freedom to do his work and still have his defensive obligations.
that change in midfield made our defense look a lot stronger imo. and considering we will have nasri back in a while and maybe even rosicky, those two will be fighting for the denilson position, making it a very healthy competition for places, and hopefully removing the need of playing the stupid-ass-who-cant-head-a-ball-even-being-11-ft-tall-diaby.
i think arsha can play wide, not in the midfield but surely in the attack like he is doing right now. we can have one of the CM to cover for him when he does not want to track back, that's the good thing of having 3 CM in this scheme.

anyway, those are my views on the formation, i can be completely wrong anyway...

EC3 · Post by **EC3** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:20 pm

Bring Back Pires wrote:
EC3 wrote:DB10 - If you want to ban me fine, my post probably was a bit out of order.

This is a message board so of course people are entitled to post there opinions, that is the exact reason such boards exist.

Augie and some others are constantly negative (really don't know why people actually go if things are so bad)

Some of his posts maybe just to get a reaction, but people will disagree with him and as such will post.

I very rarely read anything he posts, because i know what his comments are likely to be.

He seems to throw around comments like me being and embarrassment or knob head...........if someone is going to post such comments then they should fully expect a reaction.
:awnker:

And what?

augie · Post by **augie** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:26 pm

Tallest gooner wrote:
Bergkamp-Genius wrote:
Tallest gooner wrote:
> I was disapointed with AA23 performance apart from his goal, i read 'quotes' in the paper on the train going up saying he is still unfit and can only play 20 mins at the moment...... what the fuck!!! or am i missing something??
TG, i have my own thoughts on AA, i believe that the work rate required from him in the Barca style 4-3-3 system we are playing is stunting his explosiveness and creativity. I don't think he is unfit i just don't think he's the type of player (like most creative players) that likes grafting for 90 minutes and in the system we are playing that is expected of him, i think normally he would prefer to float around waiting to get the ball and then explode into the game, at the moment he is having to run around like a blue arse fly when we don't have the ball so when we get it half the time he's too f*cked to want the ball or to do much with it when he gets it.

I like the system and i think positionally it suits the types of players we have but i don't think we will see the best of AA while we are playing it and the same with but to a lesser extent Rvp, for the same reasons.
The way we play this system suits the Tevez's of this world, guys who are used to grafting and being creative, but for your normal flare players, running around like a blue arsed fly when we haven't got the ball is there worst nightmare and although it's best for the system and the team you won't see the creative best of them while they are having to work like that.
Never really looked at it like the B-G and i can see were your coming from. I dont no about you but im still unsure where AA23 best poistion is, on a wing, as a striker or just behind another striker??

Like you said i do like the new formation/system because it IMO makes us stronger when we havnt got the ball and defensivly, but i cant see how AA23 can fit into that without having to do the dirty work as well??

Tallest, you would have to say that our midfield looked anything but strong defensively when we hadnt the ball for the last 20 minutes on saturday dont you agree ? Maybe we look more solid when in possession, which to be fair we generally keep possession well, but when we dont have it we can be more exposed ?

As for the ec3 situation I would suggest we let this saga rest now - he has had his say and I have had mine and we will agree to disagree so it is best we just leave this be now. I certainly dont want anybody banned although I still would like the guy to debate with me in where I am wrong although there has been members on here that I have felt posted nothing but shite and I ignored them too so maybe he has the right idea

mrgnu1958 · Post by **mrgnu1958** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:26 pm

what a bank holiday monday THIS is turning out to be.

augie · Post by **augie** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:34 pm

mrgnu1958 wrote:what a bank holiday monday THIS is turning out to be.

Bastards

It aint a bank holiday over here so we are working our bollocks off over here

U.F.G Anfield '89 · Post by **U.F.G Anfield '89** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:58 pm

but at least you don't have to live in fucking england

Tallest gooner · Post by **Tallest gooner** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:25 pm

augie wrote:
Tallest gooner wrote:
Bergkamp-Genius wrote:
Tallest gooner wrote:
> I was disapointed with AA23 performance apart from his goal, i read 'quotes' in the paper on the train going up saying he is still unfit and can only play 20 mins at the moment...... what the fuck!!! or am i missing something??
TG, i have my own thoughts on AA, i believe that the work rate required from him in the Barca style 4-3-3 system we are playing is stunting his explosiveness and creativity. I don't think he is unfit i just don't think he's the type of player (like most creative players) that likes grafting for 90 minutes and in the system we are playing that is expected of him, i think normally he would prefer to float around waiting to get the ball and then explode into the game, at the moment he is having to run around like a blue arse fly when we don't have the ball so when we get it half the time he's too f*cked to want the ball or to do much with it when he gets it.

I like the system and i think positionally it suits the types of players we have but i don't think we will see the best of AA while we are playing it and the same with but to a lesser extent Rvp, for the same reasons.
The way we play this system suits the Tevez's of this world, guys who are used to grafting and being creative, but for your normal flare players, running around like a blue arsed fly when we haven't got the ball is there worst nightmare and although it's best for the system and the team you won't see the creative best of them while they are having to work like that.
Never really looked at it like the B-G and i can see were your coming from. I dont no about you but im still unsure where AA23 best poistion is, on a wing, as a striker or just behind another striker??

Like you said i do like the new formation/system because it IMO makes us stronger when we havnt got the ball and defensivly, but i cant see how AA23 can fit into that without having to do the dirty work as well??

Tallest, you would have to say that our midfield looked anything but strong defensively when we hadnt the ball for the last 20 minutes on saturday dont you agree ? Maybe we look more solid when in possession, which to be fair we generally keep possession well, but when we dont have it we can be more exposed ?

As for the ec3 situation I would suggest we let this saga rest now - he has had his say and I have had mine and we will agree to disagree so it is best we just leave this be now. I certainly dont want anybody banned although I still would like the guy to debate with me in where I am wrong although there has been members on here that I have felt posted nothing but shite and I ignored them too so maybe he has the right idea

I do agree Augie maybe the last 20 mins on saturday didnt support my point, but if you look back at the everton and celtic games i generally beilieve we got the ball back quicker by closing down and look more solid when they were attacking us. (i do however understand the gulf in quality between utd and the 2 mentioned teams and celtic rarley attacked us with any real conviction).

But my biggest gripe last season was how weak and flimsey we looked without the ball and never really looked fussed at getting it back or organsied in defence when other teams would attack us, i no its only been a couple of games this season but i just think we look more organised and bit more commmited to getting the ball back.

In regards to the situation between yourself and EC3, i probaly didnt need to say anything but when gooners turn on gooners it gets my back up. Anyways its history now.

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:37 pm

DB10GOONER wrote:
EC3 wrote:DB10 - If you want to ban me fine, my post probably was a bit out of order.

This is a message board so of course people are entitled to post there opinions, that is the exact reason such boards exist.

Augie and some others are constantly negative (really don't know why people actually go if things are so bad)

Some of his posts maybe just to get a reaction, but people will disagree with him and as such will post.

I very rarely read anything he posts, because i know what his comments are likely to be.

He seems to throw around comments like me being and embarrassment or knob head...........if someone is going to post such comments then they should fully expect a reaction.
EC3,

I don't want to ban anyone, mate. People have arguments on here all the time. And in reality I cannot ban anyone; I'm just a mod, that would be a decision for Gooner Ed or Mike Francis - but if a member threatens another member I would not hesitate to bring it to their attention.

You still haven't clarified if you were challenging augie to a fight or just a frank discussion. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt at the moment and am hoping this can be settled in an adult fashion with no one getting banned.

Blimey hell, how did I get dragged into this....

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:38 pm

Pal Lydersen wrote:a shitty day all round

got caught up in the gay pride parade before kick off

after wathcing us get robbed in broad daylight missed me train to birmingham so missed me flight back to dublin had no credit card so had to get me mam to book me the next flight out at 8am the following morning ,hadnt enough cash on me for a hotel so had to kip in the airport for the night

Bloody hell, Pal, that is a shitty day...... makes missing the first 10 minutes of the 0-0 away game last season and the 3 hr round walking trip to the car a mere blip.

Hope you're well mate...

green gooner · Post by **green gooner** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:52 pm

I think it is time to move on from this game now. In my humble

opinion WE beat ourselves on Saturday as Diaby's own goal was the bit of 'luck' that Utd got to claim the three points. Overall I strongly believe we were the better team. Ref's, penalties, offsides, tackles and missed chances could keep us talking for the rest of time but the fact is, we lost the game after dominating possession.

Wenger should also let it go now as his anti-football jibe just looks like the insane ranting of a lunatic

He had won the war after Hackett said he deserved an apology, so he should have let it go at that.

Let's now look forward to slapping down Adebayor for his latest lunatic ranting.

EC3 · Post by **EC3** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:07 pm

Saturday i was sitting with the mancs, by there reaqctions they thought Arsenal played them off the park.

The amount of stick they were giving Giggs, Nani and Valencia.

They knew Utd got out of jail Saturday.

If Arsenal keep that level of performance up we will definately go very close or win something this year.

In my opinion i think alot of the pundits and jornalists were very impressed with Arsenal.

Pal Lydersen · Post by **Pal Lydersen** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:14 am

franksav63 wrote:
Pal Lydersen wrote:a shitty day all round

got caught up in the gay pride parade before kick off

after wathcing us get robbed in broad daylight missed me train to birmingham so missed me flight back to dublin had no credit card so had to get me mam to book me the next flight out at 8am the following morning ,hadnt enough cash on me for a hotel so had to kip in the airport for the night
Bloody hell, Pal, that is a shitty day...... makes missing the first 10 minutes of the 0-0 away game last season and the 3 hr round walking trip to the car a mere blip.

Hope you're well mate...

not a bother frank and yaself?