THE WENGER THREAD

[Pete on the beach]

http://www.totalsportek.com/money/arsen ... -salaries/


I haven't a clue how accurate these are but if u do the maths it's actually way under £192 million wages. Obviously the scouts who are working day and night 7 days a week have to be factored in and the manager of the decade aswell.

But fuck me if some of these are in the ball park its outlandish to say the least. Particularly as he was hamstrung financially with moving to the new stadium to compete with Europe's elite.

Is he really trying to buy loyalty and affection or what is the story. I always try break it down to the cost of my season ticket - I would have to be a season ticket holder for the next 70 years to pay one weeks wages for that big cowardly ducking german vagina who happens to be our captain. Don't get me started on sir flicksalot.

To think of the way he shat on the likes of Super Bob, Dennis (if ever there was someone who earned the right to decide when he leaves) etc in their twilight years and the whole Arsehole Cole fiasco over €5000 makes it even worse.

Every single one of this current crop of perennial losers will never have nothing but plaudits for the *word censored* who made them rich far beyond what they have proven to be worth.

I think Debuchy is a bit explainable to be fair , the 70k is because he came on a bosman, unfortunately he had 2 freak injuries within the next 6 months and bellerin took his chance. His subsequent comments since haven't done him any favours with fans

[Babu]

however, the reality is, the new manager will inherit a club on its knees.

The Reality is that even if Mr. Wenger signs a new 2 year contract, and even if we don't make the Top 6, and even if Sanchez/ Özil go ( worst case scenario... and I see that happening ) then Kroenke will replace Sanchez/Özil with two "World Class Players", and probably buy a couple of big-money signings to add to that, as he did with Xhaka and Mustafi last summer.

So that would mean at least 4 new first-team players in, which would lift the squad, and energise the dressing room. Imagine any two of Lacazette/Reus/Insigne/A.N. Other coming in for the attack, a World Class keeper, Sandro at Left Back, and Jack Wilshere back to lead the lads, and you can see there would be interest from the fans in the new "stars", new options for Wenger to explore, and renewed hope for the Arsenal fans that this might be the answer.

Also no European Competitions would give us more time to concentrate on the League, and could mean we go through a season with all ( or most ) of our first-team squad injury-free and 100% fit, so making a serious attempt at the League Title a possibility.

Kroenke wants his British Soccer Franchise to be successful. Arsenal PLC is successful, and will continue to be.
2 or 3 new World Class players coming in ( or Sanchez staying ) and the shirt sales will continue.
The Emirates will do a tiny bit more than break-even every season, even if we get relegated.
The Season Tickets will keep getting bought. We have been set up very nicely indeed for the future.

This Club will NEVER be "on its knees".

Be careful what you wish for!

Its infuriating as it comes of as if the club are a theme park ride

panem et circenses

It is. Sorry to smash your illusion.
It really hurt when I realised it too, if that helps.

and Wenger just wants another two goes on the roller coaster before going home for good.

Sadly I can't blame the old duffer for this.
When I sense my time's almost up I will most probably be thinking about having just one more go on my favourite ride!

[IW8Goalmachine]

Watching Arsenal fan tv and the wee c*** Ty infuriates me

[Babu]

What I know NOW though is that we need to stop Wenger from signing that new contract.

Want to be clear on that. Wenger Out!

The Franchise is running well at the moment, from an American Business-Model point-of-view. We have won "trophies" in the last couple of years, we are making a profit, and we are selling out our Stadium. These are the facts. Kroenke doesn't care about the protest. He must be thinking "what more do they want?" In fact, he's not even thinking that. He doesn't care.


But Wenger does. We have to hurt him. We have to make him NOT sign.
The contract is there. It's Wenger's decision.

Please make it loud, and make it clear.

Wenger Out!

[Wilson]

We will drop out of the top 4, and the club will 'freeze' ticket prices. Which basically means, charge CL prices for Europea League football. They will do this for two reasons. One, they think they fans are stupid. Two, its just the nature of the club to price gauge at every opportunity. Bankers at Goldman Sachs arnt this motivated by profit in the manner our club are.

[Blade]

Don't need a 8.5mil manager to get u to 4th and last 16, QF FA Cup.

2million manager can do the job.

[sk-gtfo]

however, the reality is, the new manager will inherit a club on its knees.

The Reality is that even if Mr. Wenger signs a new 2 year contract, and even if we don't make the Top 6, and even if Sanchez/ Özil go ( worst case scenario... and I see that happening ) then Kroenke will replace Sanchez/Özil with two "World Class Players", and probably buy a couple of big-money signings to add to that, as he did with Xhaka and Mustafi last summer.

So that would mean at least 4 new first-team players in, which would lift the squad, and energise the dressing room. Imagine any two of Lacazette/Reus/Insigne/A.N. Other coming in for the attack, a World Class keeper, Sandro at Left Back, and Jack Wilshere back to lead the lads, and you can see there would be interest from the fans in the new "stars", new options for Wenger to explore, and renewed hope for the Arsenal fans that this might be the answer.

Also no European Competitions would give us more time to concentrate on the League, and could mean we go through a season with all ( or most ) of our first-team squad injury-free and 100% fit, so making a serious attempt at the League Title a possibility.

Kroenke wants his British Soccer Franchise to be successful. Arsenal PLC is successful, and will continue to be.
2 or 3 new World Class players coming in ( or Sanchez staying ) and the shirt sales will continue.
The Emirates will do a tiny bit more than break-even every season, even if we get relegated.
The Season Tickets will keep getting bought. We have been set up very nicely indeed for the future.

This Club will NEVER be "on its knees".

Be careful what you wish for!

Its infuriating as it comes of as if the club are a theme park ride

panem et circenses

It is. Sorry to smash your illusion.
It really hurt when I realised it too, if that helps.

and Wenger just wants another two goes on the roller coaster before going home for good.

Sadly I can't blame the old duffer for this.
When I sense my time's almost up I will most probably be thinking about having just one more go on my favourite ride!

What have you been smoking?, Kroenke has about as much ambition as most of the guests on Jeremy Kyle show. I predict that if this c**t sticks around much beyond Wenger we'll end up going the way of Everton in the 80's or Liverpool in the 90's, we will be top 7 or 8 but not much more.

This is why I'm not going to the protest on Tuesday, I do want Wenger out but I want Kroenke out more, if/when there is an organised protest to get this sack of turd out I will be there at the speed of sound.

There is simply no evidence to suggest he has any great ambition for his 'British soccer franchise', he shows no ambition with his US sports teams so why would he have more for one outside the US?. Why do you think David Dein switched sides to Usmanov so quickly?, he was obviously hearing stuff from Kroenke that he didn't like.

[armchair]

Really baffles me how people are STILL deflecting blame onto Kroenke.
Wenger was failing before he arrived. His "youth project" had started already and mediocre players were already getting overpaid under Wengers "socialist wage policy.

I've never heard Kroenke tell Wenger to "accept 2nd place for the next 20yrs". No Wenger thinks thats acceptable and so expects us to agree.
Anyone ever hear Kroenke proclaim "4th place is a trophy"

Kroenke is totally NOT a football person/supporter (ala Abramovic) and gives Wenger the freedom to run all football matters at the club as he sees fit. Transfers, wages, formation, tactics, training, coaching, medical/recovery all are on Wengers desk.
Everyone else defers to Wenger as he's the main man and been there longer than anyone.

In many ways Kroenke is a success at what he does , a buisnessman making money.
Its 100% Wenger who is failing.
Kronke has given him the freedom to do as he pleases, paid him an absolute fortune, allocated 100's of millions to him for player transfers and lets him get on with it.
Wenger is greedy and cowardly and pig-headedly refuses to fully utilise the resourses that he has available, pfeferring to penny-pinch and low-ball. He thinks this enhances his "genius" tag.

Yea, it was Kroenke who bid £40mil + £1 for Suarez. And it was Kroenke who benched the prems leading scorer and our best player for Iwobi.
Its Kroenke who makes baffling subs on 70mins and has no plan. He also made Almunia capt and told us for years he was "world class"
Crazy how people can take heat off Wenger by deflecting blame, muddyong the water and diluting the message.

[Redarmy]

Anyway getting back to the real Business.........Wenger today:

“It is a possibility that we can still make it [the top four], so let’s focus on that."


How i hate this never ending shite

[Redarmy]

Anyone see the interview Jake Humphries did with Wanka before the game?

He's ready to take us to the next level by all accounts.....starting with the game today.

[Babu]

however, the reality is, the new manager will inherit a club on its knees.

The Reality is that even if Mr. Wenger signs a new 2 year contract, and even if we don't make the Top 6, and even if Sanchez/ Özil go ( worst case scenario... and I see that happening ) then Kroenke will replace Sanchez/Özil with two "World Class Players", and probably buy a couple of big-money signings to add to that, as he did with Xhaka and Mustafi last summer.



What have you been smoking?, Kroenke has about as much ambition as most of the guests on Jeremy Kyle show. I predict that if this c**t sticks around much beyond Wenger we'll end up going the way of Everton in the 80's or Liverpool in the 90's, we will be top 7 or 8 but not much more.

There is simply no evidence to suggest he has any great ambition for his 'British soccer franchise',

I want Kroenke out as well.

I think you missed the point I was making. Maybe I didn't make it clearly enough. I have had a smoke already this morning, sorry.



Kroenke's "ambition" is to have a Franchise that is playing in the Premier League in England, and is making a profit. Regular exposure in the European Champions League is also nice, as is winning the occasional Trophy.

Look at it from his point of view.

He doesn't know anything about football.

But he knows what he wants.
He likes collecting sports franchises.
He has plenty of them already.
They are his little trinkets.

Now when you have that much money the natural progression is to have a premier league "trinket". He's got one. Hurra!
He has loads of other trinkets, and isn't really interested in soccer as a viewing spectacle, so he's not going to come over and watch the games. He probably ( definitely ) doesn't watch The Arsenal when we're playing, or care about the line-ups or substitutions.

What's important for him is that his franchise is making a profit and that they are successful.

In the Grand Scheme of Things...

We finished 2nd in the Premier League last season. SECOND! It's a "big" thing, relatively speaking.
We won the FA Cup twice in the last few seasons, and are now joint record-holders in wins.
This is also a "big thing" in sport.
We're ALWAYS in the Champions League. ALWAYS.

Arsenal Football Club are VERY successful as a football club.


I'll give you an example.
I know f*** all about american football.
I have heard of the Dallas Cowboys. It is probably because of Debbie, but anyway...

So I googled Dallas COwboys on wiki...
( this is my method of finding out a few basic facts )

Read this page...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Cowboys


I can read that they are a "BIg Team" in this "Sport".

I can read that in 2014 and 2016 they won something called the NFC East:
Which is a "Division championship"

Hurra!

My "team", the Dallas Cowboys are a big team in American football, and are still winning things.
Excellent!


That's what Kroenke sees.
We - The Arsenal - are a big team that is still winning things.
Yeah!

I hate the wiggy c***, and I would shoot him in the face if I could.

But we are successful.

[Babu]

I've never heard Kroenke tell Wenger to "accept 2nd place for the next 20yrs". No Wenger thinks thats acceptable and so expects us to agree.
Anyone ever hear Kroenke proclaim "4th place is a trophy"

I didn't hear it, but he said it.

Boston Convention and Exhibition Center on March 11-12. 2016

For me, being an individual owner, I have to have some sort of reality involved.

If you want to win championships then you would never get involved.

I think the best owners in sports are the guys that sort of watch both sides a bit.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footbal ... 02046.html

[rodders999]

All the Wenger lovers loathe the fact the next manager will have a rebuilding job. As they always believed the first manager post Wenger would come in and cruise on Wenger's coat tails

Definitely agree with his.

When Wenger came in he inherited a top class keeper and one of the best defences ever assembled in the game. He had an absolute lethal finisher in Wrighty and a world class player to compliment him in Bergkamp.

Only the midfield needed an initial overhaul, the bones of an exceptional side was handed to him on a plate.

What's the new guy gonna get handed? Fucking helmet head in goal (I saw a stat this morning that said 20% of the entire amount of goals he's conceded in his whole career have come in just the 2 seasons he's been with us) and a back 4 that would give you nightmares. Maybe, just maybe, Kos and Bellerin could be saved by someone who would actually coach the team but everyone else needs to be dumped.

A limp dick midfield swamped with dross, each one a pathetic clone of the next, you could sell them all and barely notice the difference. The only 2 top class players we have can't wait to get the fuck out the door in the summer and when he lays his eyes on the striking department (the greatest attacking unit Wanka has ever assembled....according to himself anyway ) - Giroud, Lucas and Welbeck the only question he's gonna ask himself is -

Where the fuck do I start???

[markyp]

however, the reality is, the new manager will inherit a club on its knees.

The Reality is that even if Mr. Wenger signs a new 2 year contract, and even if we don't make the Top 6, and even if Sanchez/ Özil go ( worst case scenario... and I see that happening ) then Kroenke will replace Sanchez/Özil with two "World Class Players", and probably buy a couple of big-money signings to add to that, as he did with Xhaka and Mustafi last summer.

So that would mean at least 4 new first-team players in, which would lift the squad, and energise the dressing room. Imagine any two of Lacazette/Reus/Insigne/A.N. Other coming in for the attack, a World Class keeper, Sandro at Left Back, and Jack Wilshere back to lead the lads, and you can see there would be interest from the fans in the new "stars", new options for Wenger to explore, and renewed hope for the Arsenal fans that this might be the answer.

Also no European Competitions would give us more time to concentrate on the League, and could mean we go through a season with all ( or most ) of our first-team squad injury-free and 100% fit, so making a serious attempt at the League Title a possibility.

Kroenke wants his British Soccer Franchise to be successful. Arsenal PLC is successful, and will continue to be.
2 or 3 new World Class players coming in ( or Sanchez staying ) and the shirt sales will continue.
The Emirates will do a tiny bit more than break-even every season, even if we get relegated.
The Season Tickets will keep getting bought. We have been set up very nicely indeed for the future.

This Club will NEVER be "on its knees".

Be careful what you wish for!

Its infuriating as it comes of as if the club are a theme park ride

panem et circenses

It is. Sorry to smash your illusion.
It really hurt when I realised it too, if that helps.

and Wenger just wants another two goes on the roller coaster before going home for good.

Sadly I can't blame the old duffer for this.
When I sense my time's almost up I will most probably be thinking about having just one more go on my favourite ride!

What have you been smoking?, Kroenke has about as much ambition as most of the guests on Jeremy Kyle show. I predict that if this c**t sticks around much beyond Wenger we'll end up going the way of Everton in the 80's or Liverpool in the 90's, we will be top 7 or 8 but not much more.

This is why I'm not going to the protest on Tuesday, I do want Wenger out but I want Kroenke out more, if/when there is an organised protest to get this sack of turd out I will be there at the speed of sound.

There is simply no evidence to suggest he has any great ambition for his 'British soccer franchise', he shows no ambition with his US sports teams so why would he have more for one outside the US?. Why do you think David Dein switched sides to Usmanov so quickly?, he was obviously hearing stuff from Kroenke that he didn't like.

the problem isn't Kreonke,he gives wenger plenty enough money to compete,wenger spent 80m in the summer to make us worse,how many clubs can spend 80m?we spent 30m on sanchez and 42m on ozil both uber class ,kroenke isn't the big problem its the incompatence of wenger that is the problem that iswhy I couldn't care much right now for kreonke staying ,id rather wenger fucked off with kreonke here and have a world class manager than kroenke go and be stuck with wenger fucking it up year after year

[Gunner Rob]

Just watching the darts on ITV and someone just held up a "Wenger Out" sign